GSP and Khabib concede that Jon Jones is the GOAT

[Poirierfan]

GSP would never call himself the GOAT..

We all know who the real goat is.

 

[eNoq]

based on elo from fightmatrix & generated historical p4p lists, numbers adjusted to robberies with mmadecisions.com global verdict

spoiler: based on numbers khabib is nowhere close

 

[Thai Domi]

 

[Mike]

You gotta stop with the olympics dude it isn't the same animal as prize fighting or major sports. It's money but it's made differently. The ufc is not a sport it's an entertainment company with a competitive element. I feel the same bout the nhl and NFL. None of those companies want their stars banned and they want big replay moments.

It looks as if we finally found some form of common ground in a way though

Yes his willingness to push every rule to its breaking point and the fact that he was willing to do any God damn thing he could think of to assure that w is exactly why he's the goat. At cheating absolutely, peds yep, adapting to a fight oh yeah. Whatever it took and that is what greatness is about sometimes.

You see this is why people on here stop taking the Jonea fans seriously eventually. Cause you guys always drag the line from I don't care about cheating, to objectively cheating doesn't matter and nobody cares about it or only idiots that aren't as enlightened as me care. And that is taking your subjective opinion and just arrogantly stating if like a fact until people get annoyed and stop going back and forth with you.

That's the whole point in mentioning all the polls and convos where you guys are in the minority. Not to say that the majority is always right, but that you guys sure talk with smug certainty like nobody could have a dissenting opinion a lot for a group that's the extreme minority.

It's just weird how you guys talk like everyone agrees when it's quite clear that isn't the case, and when that's brought up it's spun as oh well yeah lots of people do disagree with me, but I decided only my opinion matters so we're good.

 

[Mike]

You Jones fans always want to have it both ways, you want to talk like everyone thinks Jones is the goat because you feel like that bolsters your argument. Then when it's brought up over and over that we know everyone doesn't feel that way because we've had 10,000 convos about it, then it changes to well fuck what everyone else thinks though.

Pick a lane. If it really doesn't bother you that everyone else doesn't agree you would think you wouldn't have to resort to name calling and getting all pissy. I thought you knew you were right and other opinions don't matter? If other opinions DO matter, stop stating as a fact that everyone is fine with cheating. Or people are just going to keep giving you the many, many examples across mma and literally all competition of any kind, that NO most people ARE NOT ok with cheating.

It's really ok that you are, but it's absolutely insane that you guys think you get to speak for everyone else. Or that a an extreme minority, only your opinion matters. I don't think what the majority thinks is all that important either, but if you guys keep lying and saying everyone thinks like you people are going to keep correcting you.


If "everyone" knew cheating didn't matter then Jones and Anderson's reputations wouldn't be trashed on here.

 

[Gutter Chris]

You see this is why people on here stop taking the Jonea fans seriously eventually. Cause you guys always drag the line from I don't care about cheating, to objectively cheating doesn't matter and nobody cares about it or only idiots that aren't as enlightened as me care. And that is taking your subjective opinion and just arrogantly stating if like a fact until people get annoyed and stop going back and forth with you.

That's the whole point in mentioning all the polls and convos where you guys are in the minority. Not to say that the majority is always right, but that you guys sure talk with smug certainty like nobody could have a dissenting opinion a lot for a group that's the extreme minority.

It's just weird how you guys talk like everyone agrees when it's quite clear that isn't the case, and when that's brought up it's spun as oh well yeah lots of people do disagree with me, but I decided only my opinion matters so we're good.

I guess the problem is that I don't see it as an opinion so much as a fact.

Just like Wayne Gretzky is the goat even if you like lemuix or Yzerman better the raw stats say otherwise

Who is your favorite hockey player and who is the goat hockey player aren't the same question if ya feel me.

I think that is the problem I have with this debate . It's not a debate at all. It's a fact.

 

[Streeter]

Bones got Goat resume n he never really lost. Only other fighter with him in conversation is Fedor but he wrecked late in his career but an amazing Pride run

 

[Mike]

I guess the problem is that I don't see it as an opinion so much as a fact.

Just like Wayne Gretzky is the goat even if you like lemuix or Yzerman better the raw stats say otherwise

Who is your favorite hockey player and who is the goat hockey player aren't the same question if ya feel me.

I think that is the problem I have with this debate . It's not a debate at all. It's a fact.

And that's where problems come in when we're talking about subjective opinions on a debate forum lmao. I feel that way about Jordan vs Lebron but I don't argue it with people because I know I'm right you peasant isn't much of a conversation really.

 

[fishbisquit]

The PED issues are another argument, setting that aside....

He's the clear GOAT, objectively, and no one is remotely close.

Blatant changing the body chemistry and make up to make your body do un natural things, or peds as you say, aside, GSP is the goat, and no one is remotely close. Jones has lost way more rounds than gsp.

 

[Jawth]

Ppl are still calling Fedor goat?

Lololol. Also. Lol at Jones being goat

Bader
Shogun
Machida
Rampage
Evans
Glover
Vitor
DC
Gus
Gane

Go ahead, name someone with a better winlist.

Maybe Hendo, but Hendo also has a shit ton of losses so he is obviously out.

 

[Gutter Chris]

And that's where problems come in when we're talking about subjective opinions on a debate forum lmao. I feel that way about Jordan vs Lebron but I don't argue it with people because I know I'm right you peasant isn't much of a conversation really.

Which is it? I don't have a fight or an argument I don't know enough about basketball for a Google search on points vs championships to make it obvious to me. The way more games to have way more points but less championships makes me think it's jordan.

 

[Mike]

Which is it? I don't have a fight or an argument I don't know enough about basketball for a Google search on points vs championships to make it obvious to me. The way more games to have way more points but less championships makes me think it's jordan.

Idk to be honest with you, I'm a casual when it comes to basketball. I'm willing to admit that as great as Jordan is, growing up when I did it's probably not possible to be objective. I just look at Lebron and I don't see any run as dominant as Jordan's and I don't believe that athletes get a dbz power up every 10 years that automatically makes them 10x better than previous athletes.

Just like I don't buy this evolution of the sport thing in mma either. For example, ww got worse after gsp's era not better imo.

 

[Mike]

Bader
Shogun
Machida
Rampage
Evans
Glover
Vitor
DC
Gus
Gane

Go ahead, name someone with a better winlist.

Maybe Hendo, but Hendo also has a shit ton of losses so he is obviously out.

The amount of people that want to argue Jones has no case based on resume is very small. It's really whether or not you think any amount of cheating is ok as long as you win.

I think that's always going to be divisive.

 

[eNoq]

Bader
Shogun
Machida
Rampage
Evans
Glover
Vitor
DC
Gus
Gane

Go ahead, name someone with a better winlist.

Maybe Hendo, but Hendo also has a shit ton of losses so he is obviously out.

Throwing out blanket names like that is disingenuous, let's add Anderson Silva to Cannonier & Hall in resume debates as a more extreme example.
Also let's not forget that Chael & Vitor were MW's and unranked at LHW.
We could also add in that Jones is the fighter with the most illegal fouls committed in UFC's history & failed 3 major drug tests in 2015, 16 & 17.
Let's also not forget that he lost to Reyes.

 

[orca]

Fedor

literaly fedors resume look like cro cop and the rest where japanese wrestlers
hmmm.

 

[orca]

Throwing out blanket names like that is disingenuous, let's add Anderson Silva to Cannonier & Hall in resume debates as a more extreme example.
Also let's not forget that Chael & Vitor were MW's and unranked at LHW.
We could also add in that Jones is the fighter with the most illegal fouls committed in UFC's history & failed 3 major drug tests in 2015, 16 & 17.
Let's also not forget that he lost to Reyes.

jones beat them when they where 32 years of age the prime age of fighting

islam is like 35 years old now
do you even realize that?

imagine 32 year old prime jones vs 23 year old shogun machida and so on

lmfao youl say they where still green?

you even realize that jones wasnt even at his best when he beat them all

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

goat

 

[mkess101]

Didn't realize being a Jones fan was now ban-worthy

Time to find a new gimmick...

Orca's still here. You safe, dog.

 

[mkess101]

I guess the problem is that I don't see it as an opinion so much as a fact.

Just like Wayne Gretzky is the goat even if you like lemuix or Yzerman better the raw stats say otherwise

Who is your favorite hockey player and who is the goat hockey player aren't the same question if ya feel me.

I think that is the problem I have with this debate . It's not a debate at all. It's a fact.

As someone who actually DOES believe Jones is the GOAT...no. When there's no hard and fast parameters that define something, a level of subjectivity is inherent. There are people who believe a failed drug test automatically disqualifies Jones, Silva, etc. You or me or anyone else don't get to "overrule" that view and state that it's a "fact" that being caught using PED's is irrelevant. That's not how it works.

 

[squatchi26]

Jones has to be the GOAT. Record/Opponents/two division champ(destroyed both previous champs) Plus he is great at every aspect of MMA, no one else can say that.