GSP and Khabib concede that Jon Jones is the GOAT

[squatchi26]

As someone who actually DOES believe Jones is the GOAT...no. When there's no hard and fast parameters that define something, a level of subjectivity is inherent. There are people who believe a failed drug test automatically disqualifies Jones, Silva, etc. You or me or anyone else don't get to "overrule" that view and state that it's a "fact" that being caught using PED's is irrelevant. That's not how it works.

Im not sure if I agree with you or not. Not sure if you watch the NFL but 99% of people will say Brady is the GOAT(most championships) but I would argue that I think Rodgers is a better QB, that said Championships, W-L have to mean something. For the most part I do agree with you.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

literaly fedors resume look like cro cop and the rest where japanese wrestlers
hmmm.

you're a retarded orca

 

[Jawth]

Throwing out blanket names like that is disingenuous, let's add Anderson Silva to Cannonier & Hall in resume debates as a more extreme example.
Also let's not forget that Chael & Vitor were MW's and unranked at LHW.
We could also add in that Jones is the fighter with the most illegal fouls committed in UFC's history & failed 3 major drug tests in 2015, 16 & 17.
Let's also not forget that he lost to Reyes.

The names on the list were coming off wins and most of them were for belts.

I get that Jones is a douche, but he is obviously GOAT. No one has an even close record in regards to wins except maybe Hendo, who was never dominant long term.

 

[eNoq]

jones beat them when they where 32 years of age the prime age of fighting

islam is like 35 years old now
do you even realize that?

imagine 32 year old prime jones vs 23 year old shogun machida and so on

lmfao youl say they where still green?

you even realize that jones wasnt even at his best when he beat them all

Oh no you're falling into the trap of thinking age is how you determine prime. Are you aware of the 9 year rule? Do you think Shogun after 3 ACL tears & surgeries was in his prime just because he was 29? Was Rory in his prime against Dilano Taylor just because he was 32? Was he green when he beat Penn, Woodley & Maia just because he was early to mid 20s? Was DC not in his prime against Rumble/Jones because he was 38?

 

[eNoq]

The names on the list were coming off wins and most of them were for belts.

I get that Jones is a douche, but he is obviously GOAT. No one has an even close record in regards to wins except maybe Hendo, who was never dominant long term.

Guess who is who?

 

[Jawth]

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Guess who is who?

Again, you arent even answering the question.

Who can beat the list of names i mentioned? Even if they could ( very doubtful) they have many more losses, including by being finished.

 

[eNoq]

Again, you arent even answering the question.

Who can beat the list of names i mentioned? Even if they could ( very doubtful) they have many more losses, including by being finished.

Why do you care so much about big names when they weren't at their best? Should we bring Cruz & TJ back so Merab can beat them and be the undisputed GOAT of GOATs by your logic?

I don't know you're refusing to look at facts and rankings at the time of the fight, you're just glazing name value as if it means anything.

 

[Jawth]

Why do you care so much about big names when they weren't at their best? Should we bring Cruz & TJ back so Merab can beat them and be the undisputed GOAT of GOATs by your logic?

I don't know you're refusing to look at facts and rankings at the time of the fight, you're just glazing name value as if it means anything.

They were active title challengers coming off wins ffs. You know this. Stop making bad faith examples that in no way are representative to what we are talking about.

 

[eNoq]

They were active title challengers coming off wins ffs. You know this. Stop making bad faith examples that in no way are representative to what we are talking about.

Yes, and? So were the vast majority of GSP's opponents, whats the argument? Why can't you just admit that beating 12 people who were top 3 at the time is better than beating 4?

 

[Jawth]

Yes, and? So were the vast majority of GSP's opponents, whats the argument? Why can't you just admit that beating 12 people who were top 3 at the time is better than beating 4?

You keep bringing up stupid examples like decrepit Dom or Anderson is my point, which you know is ridiculous.

Also, my point is that beating legends like Machida, Evans, Shogun, or Glover in their prime (yes, they were in their primes) is more impressive than beating Koscheck or Alves.

Rankings are subjective, the accomplishments of those i listed are not. Were rankings even official in the UFC when GSP was champ?

 

[oldschoolmmafan]

This is true goat, had he not had to fight PED abuser. All should know this, true champion of the UFC. He come into MMA late and change weight class for friend. This guy unbelievable.

 

[eNoq]

You keep bringing up stupid examples like decrepit Dom or Anderson is my point, which you know is ridiculous.

Also, my point is that beating legends like Machida, Evans, Shogun, or Glover in their prime (yes, they were in their primes) is more impressive than beating Koscheck or Alves.

Rankings are subjective, the accomplishments of those i listed are not. Were rankings even official in the UFC when GSP was champ?

Here you go again with "legends", exactly my point. You're just glazing name value, like Merab has Aldo & Cejudo on his resume as if that means more than Umar because of name value, totally braindead. I don't see how 3 ACL tears + surgeries Shogun was in his prime, half of Jones resume is filled with MW's, MW's that didn't cut weight & ""LEGENDS"" on his resume that blinds people like you from judging it objectively. Adding in that he has the most documented fouls in UFC history & has never been deducted a point for his eye pokes against Gus, Glover, Rampage, Shogun, Smith & DC. But I'll stop here, Jones isn't the GOAT based on any metric. GSP far and away clears his resume objectively.