Elections GOP Road to 2016 Primary Thread

[computer fogie]

I can't believe Romney is still being propped up as a candidate. He's like Bush in that he's only in politics because his daddy (and mommy) was. Without the influence of the same people who got Dad elected, neither would have ever been in any office. Lifelong tools, both families.

 

[Diamond Jim]

As it gets closer I think Romney will take his name out of consideration and I don't think he endorses anyone.

 

[Lead]

As it gets closer I think Romney will take his name out of consideration and I don't think he endorses anyone.

I'm unsure why he even decided to announce he's considering it. Him and Bush met about two weeks ago. The meeting was supposedly already scheduled a long time ago so neither decided to cancel.

There's no way he actually wants to run. It's for some other purpose he put that in the headlines. I just don't know why.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

I'm unsure why he even decided to announce he's considering it. Him and Bush met about two weeks ago. The meeting was supposedly already scheduled a long time ago so neither decided to cancel.

There's no way he actually wants to run. It's for some other purpose he put that in the headlines. I just don't know why.

For the same reason Kurt Angle and Dave Batista said they were thinking about fighting in an MMA match. Because they like the attention that comes with saying they are thinking about fighting, even if they never do.

(I'm on my phone right now, I'll reply to your other posts when I'm in front of a PC)

 

[ShoelessRye]

I'm unsure why he even decided to announce he's considering it. Him and Bush met about two weeks ago. The meeting was supposedly already scheduled a long time ago so neither decided to cancel.

There's no way he actually wants to run. It's for some other purpose he put that in the headlines. I just don't know why.

He wants to be a party elder - something the GOP doesn't have right now since Bush and Cheney are still seen as net negatives, but probably also wanted to make sure some A-List sane moderates were running and it wouldn't be the clown show 2012 was for the GOP.

If Jeb is running, Romney won't even consider it - he'll likely endorse him, campaign for him in NH as well and then get a plum cabinet gig should Jeb win. IIRC there is bad feelings between Romney and Christie as well, maybe he wanted to make sure Christie wouldn't be the only moderate with the further right candidates splitting that vote 4-5 ways giving the NJ Gov a cakewalk to the nomination.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Really weird to see. Oligarchies man...

I don't think Christie could win. I really think it's Bush, Walker, or Rubio. The rest may have some attention but I don't think anyone outside of those three can get enough traction to win it all.

Christie is simply too corrupt to win, IMO. The amount of scrutiny a presidential candidate gets is enormous, and if we already know so much about Christie's corruption, there would probably be a lot more coming. I don't even think he's going to run. Walker would be my pick (not someone I like, but the guy I think will win the primary).

Paul Ryan was a house member. That doesn't ever guarantee you the state.

This is your logic right now.

In the primaries, a moderate received more votes and the far-right candidate didn't
which leads to
a moderate receiving less votes in the general election compared to the far-right candidate?

That doesn't make sense. If a far right candidate can't even win in the primary where republicans are the voters, why do you think the general population would vote for that guy?

Farmer is pretty much immune to any facts. The idea that Ron Paul is a pro-individual freedom candidate would be funny if it weren't sad that some people really believe it.

 

[Lead]

For the same reason Kurt Angle and Dave Batista said they were thinking about fighting in an MMA match. Because they like the attention that comes with saying they are thinking about fighting, even if they never do.

(I'm on my phone right now, I'll reply to your other posts when I'm in front of a PC)

Yea, I think a lot of the people running are simply going it for that. Same is true with Sanders on the Dem side.

He wants to be a party elder - something the GOP doesn't have right now since Bush and Cheney are still seen as net negatives, but probably also wanted to make sure some A-List sane moderates were running and it wouldn't be the clown show 2012 was for the GOP.

If Jeb is running, Romney won't even consider it - he'll likely endorse him, campaign for him in NH as well and then get a plum cabinet gig should Jeb win. IIRC there is bad feelings between Romney and Christie as well, maybe he wanted to make sure Christie wouldn't be the only moderate with the further right candidates splitting that vote 4-5 ways giving the NJ Gov a cakewalk to the nomination.

Do you think he would want a cabinet position though? I feel like Romney is all in or nothing. With Rubio I could see a deal for cabinet but not Romney.

Christie is simply too corrupt to win, IMO. The amount of scrutiny a presidential candidate gets is enormous, and if we already know so much about Christie's corruption, there would probably be a lot more coming. I don't even think he's going to run. Walker would be my pick (not someone I like, but the guy I think will win the primary).

Farmer is pretty much immune to any facts. The idea that Ron Paul is a pro-individual freedom candidate would be funny if it weren't sad that some people really believe it.

Christie is only going to do damage in the primaries. He is going to bash every candidate and have to drop out after a little.

But true individual freedom is waking up, taking 20 private toll roads on your way to work, working $5 a hr (which the industry agreed upon to keep it that low) for the rest of your life because you won't be supported when your old. But don't worry, you will die fairly early without health coverage

 

[Jack V Savage]

But true individual freedom is waking up, taking 20 private toll roads on your way to work, working $5 a hr (which the industry agreed upon to keep it that low) for the rest of your life because you won't be supported when your old. But don't worry, you will die fairly early without health coverage

The libertarianism is stupid, for sure (why are free people supposed to accept such a system and why would a state powerful enough to force such an oppressive system on people then turn around and back off?), but I was talking about his actual primary position--Confederacy. The idea that an oppressive gov't is good if it's a "state" gov't and that a gov't that protects rights is bad if it's "central" makes no sense and certainly isn't pro-individual freedom.

 

[ShoelessRye]

Do you think he would want a cabinet position though? I feel like Romney is all in or nothing. With Rubio I could see a deal for cabinet but not Romney.

I think he wants a career capper. They'd probably create a "Secretary of Business" cabinet spot, upgrading the lowly Commerce Secretary gig for him or something. However would such a gig force him to have to open up his tax filings?

Christie is all bombast - but I think the GOP primary voter will love it. I think he could make some noise if the others in the race let him get any footing. They'll need to bombard him early on the shitty NJ economy and his corruption issues.

I sort of hoped for a Christie vs Schweitzer GE battle just for the spectacle of it at one time.

 

[Lead]

The libertarianism is stupid, for sure (why are free people supposed to accept such a system and why would a state powerful enough to force such an oppressive system on people then turn around and back off?), but I was talking about his actual primary position--Confederacy. The idea that an oppressive gov't is good if it's a "state" gov't and that a gov't that protects rights is bad if it's "central" makes no sense and certainly isn't pro-individual freedom.

The GOP talks about government being too oppressive but then you bring up any social issues and they say "The states should decide." In other words, we will fight for oppressive government at a regional level and then preach freedom nationally. Pretty stupid.

I do think it's smart to allow states try their own ideas and not all be forced into on lump of what the federal government does but on social issues that makes absolutely no sense. There has to be unity when it comes to rights. To have a right suddenly disappear by moving to another state is bizarre.

 

[Lead]

Reports: Mitt Romney to announce decision on 2016

Mitt Romney plans to provide an

 

[jehosafats]

Romney couldn't understand the virtue of resigning

 

[ShoelessRye]

He ain't running. He wouldn't make any such indication on a conference call.

 

[Lead]

How the Senate Is Taking Lindsey Graham's Presidential Ambitions

Graham's formal launch Thursday of a political committee "Security Through Strength" left some on Capitol Hill scratching their heads. A few of his colleagues chuckled when asked in the marbled hallways what they thought of the defense hawk embarking on a serious presidential campaign.

 

[ShoelessRye]

Graham wants a cabinet gig - and is raising his profile. His run will be about branding himself as "Strong on Defense". McCain is likely retiring in 2016, Graham will be looking for a career capper as well. However I don't think he'd win S.Carolina after finishing in the single digits in both Iowa and NH.

 

[Jack V Savage]

The GOP talks about government being too oppressive but then you bring up any social issues and they say "The states should decide." In other words, we will fight for oppressive government at a regional level and then preach freedom nationally. Pretty stupid.

It makes no sense unless you're aware of how "states rights" has historically been used (as opposition to civil rights, particularly for blacks, the way "pro choice" or "pro life" are used to refer to support or opposition to abortion being legal).

 

[SpidermanISGOAT]

Graham wants a cabinet gig - and is raising his profile. His run will be about branding himself as "Strong on Defense". McCain is likely retiring in 2016, Graham will be looking for a career capper as well. However I don't think he'd win S.Carolina after finishing in the single digits in both Iowa and NH.

America wont elected a man who isn't married with no family.

It makes no sense unless you're aware of how "states rights" has historically been used (as opposition to civil rights, particularly for blacks, the way "pro choice" or "pro life" are used to refer to support or opposition to abortion being legal).

For the most part I agree. There are some of those genuine strict constitutional interpreters who argue our system is way out of line. However, a large majority argue for the state rights for the reasons you stated.

 

[Lead]

At 11, Romney's call starts. Anymore guesses on if he will run or bow out?

 

[ShoelessRye]

You don't announce a run on a conference call. 95% chance it's a bow out, 5% chance he's going to say he needs more time to think about it.

 

[reflector]

You don't announce a run on a conference call. 95% chance it's a bow out, 5% chance he's going to say he needs more time to think about it.

I was kind of hoping he would run. If both he and Bush ran, they could split the Neocon vote.