Media Georges St-Pierre, Jon Jones or Fedor Emelianenko - Who is the greatest MMA fighter of all-time? (The Finals)

[AstralPanda]

The votes are so telling of how most on these forums go with emotions and feelings instead of facts and logic. GSP was great, easily the best WW of all time...but how can you put him ahead of Jon? I mean he only fought outside of his division once versus a one eye injured Bisping, meanwhile he ducked Silva for a solid decade almost and in the twilight of his career was known mostly for laying on people are wrestling them to boring decisions. I feel the only reason people are putting him on the top of this list is due to the hate for Jones and disrespect for Fedor the non UFC guy.

Fedor on the other hand would have been at the top of the list if he retired after his stint in Affliction as at that point he beat AA and Sylvia two guys that were named from the UFC back when it was Pride vs UFC that could walk through Fedor if they fought and well they didn't, Fedor finished both fairly fast. Fedor also fought guys far larger than him throughout his career and was easily the most exciting fighter of the three on this list by far. But due to him handing around far too long and losing to guys like Bader, Bigfoot etc....you just can't put him at the top. IMO he is a clear #3 but I get the argument for #3 as during his prime he fought everyone and beat them.

Jones...as much as people hate him is by far the #1 on this list, he beat everyone....everyone @ LHW and only looked human in 1-2 fights Gus1 and the other guy he squeaked by with a decision W...I honestly cannot think of his name atm as he fell off hard post that fight. Skill wise, fight IQ, dominance and who he beat over the years cements him as the greatest, even if you all hate him for not fighting Aspinall when you wanted, he still went up to HW after a long time off, beat Gane with ease (no one has), then beat Stipe...even if Stipe was past his prime he is still a top dog @ HW and would likely still beat everyone outside of the top 3-4. However all that said about Jones....there is still the BIG * beside his career due to the PED use...he can lie all he wants but anyone who knows anything knows this guy was taking shit.

Anyway Jones is a clear #1 regardless of your bird brained emotions making the vote for you.

1. Jon Jones
2. GSP
3. Fedor

Modern men = basically modern women. Driven entirely by emotion and the moment.

If Jones turned a corner and basically saved a bus full of children or something, this poll would instantly change to like 65% Jones, lol

 

[Mind Mine]

I set out reasons why I have GSP and Fedor over Jones as my GOAT.

You go on a rant telling me that you actually study martial so you know what your looking for.

I tell you I have also trained for 35 years

"Nobody asked you, stop flexing, haha classic."

You do understand sherbro that 99% of martial artists that have trained would agree the form and techniques of Jones are something to be STUDIED. Me saying I study form and technique and that’s why I find him GOAT just isn’t a flex. You took that personal and tried to flex on me. I never claimed to be anything greater than anyone on this forum can be at martial arts. Don’t you see how you look lame sherbro?

 

[Mikeydontgiva]

JJ obviously

 

[315MMAFighter]

Georges takes it imo

 

[JustBleed69]

In the ring Fedor, in the cage GSP.

 

[Mind Mine]

The only personal attacks wrote on your end. Go back and read you initial comments. The only comment I have made about you as a person is that you communication is terrible. That has improved but go back and try to read you first few replys. Extremely uncalled for

You do understand every last poster on here has the potential to knock you the fuck out even after doing 35 years of training? Everyone here can shoot you up? Well stop trying to impose your martial arts on people outside your gym because everyone here probably trained or should and everyone here is just here to learn what they can ABOUT THE UFC. If they’re not that’s on them. I’m the anti-flex. Anything I trained was for me. IF YOU DID MORE KUDOS. As a matter of fact so you can educate yourself there are people walking around that want you to think they know nothing at all. Flex on the wrong one and you would be lucky to find out. Dead men don’t find out shit. I HATE the “you didn’t train”crowd on this forum. If you are a true martial artist ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO TRAIN. Belittling what you think others did is martial arts encouragement how? How is that being anything positive? I hope every person on here trains and gives martial arts what they choose to give. I can’t speak for them I speak for me. When I speak for me I’m not trying to outshine ANYONE. So coming at me when I aint shit but a basic student and a true and in my honest opinion humble one is crazy . I am everything I said I was. You have me completely mistaken

 

[whooty]

Difficult to compare as it all depends what you value more highly:

+ Jones had spectecular finishes and basically cleaned out 2/3 generations of LHWs. Good wins at HW now too.
- The possible cheating and the unimpressive close fights vs subpar fighters

+ Fedor had a 10 year win streak which is rediculous at HW, sick finishes and outclassing most opponents easily
- Bunch of cans on his record too, and there were a couple HW's he should've fought in his prime (Barnett, Brock, Cain, Mir) and the loss to Werdum stings too

+ GSP faced by far the best competition, beating guys with huge winstreaks and great records. Impressively too, not many finishes usually not losing a round. His two losses avenged immedeatly after as well.
- Almost no finishes, loss against a subpar fighter in Serra, fight against Hendricks he arguably lost as well.


For me personally, I voted GSP but I can understand the argument for both Jones and Fedor too.

I do think these three are well clear of other contenders though.

 

[Mind Mine]

The only personal attacks wrote on your end. Go back and read you initial comments. The only comment I have made about you as a person is that you communication is terrible. That has improved but go back and try to read you first few replys. Extremely uncalled for

You do understand every last poster on here has the potential to knock you out even after doing 35 years of training? Everyone here can shoot you up? Well stop trying to impose your martial arts on people outside your gym because everyone here probably trained or should and everyone here is just here to learn what they can ABOUT THE UFC. If they’re not that’s on them. I’m the anti-flex. Anything I trained was for me. IF YOU DID MORE KUDOS. As a matter of fact so you can educate yourself there are people walking around that want you to think they know nothing at all. Flex on the wrong one and you would be lucky to find out. There’s nothing to find out when you’re dead. I am sorry Sir I am just a meager student. It may not be much but I am everything I said I was and I didn’t say much. It’s just funny some of you masters seem to be acting like students trying to flex instead of being positive ambassadors and encouraging others TO TRAIN MMA. Sherdog I hope you all stay blessed healthy and train mma!!! Something this mighty sensei just wont tell you while he’s busy flexing on you. Sorry Sir I’m nothing like that at all and I wish you the best but you have the absolute wrong guy to talk down on in any mma sense. I am the lowest on the totem pole. Just a student

 

[Juice]

Jones is the most hated on fighter in the history of MMA. Many people will simply not vote for him even when they know he is the GOAT.

 

[Juice]

+ Fedor had a 10 year win streak which is rediculous at HW, sick finishes and outclassing most opponents easily

Except Fedor did not have a 10 year win streak.

Fedor went undefeated from 2001 - 2009 and as you already pointed out in that time frame more than half of those fights were against no name cans.

Fedor's win streak is overrated by his fans.

 

[Eater of Souls]

to me it's highly debatable whether fedor lost in his prime. in that loss to werdum i think he was past his prime. once he left pride, he was done. his last great fight to me was the one with hunt. i was scared for him when he fought lindland. fedor intentionally did grab the rope in the fight, and he would have been in big trouble.

He had been showing signs before that. Not using his grappling as effectively, relying on his blitz, no careful game planning, etc. The guy who beat Nog from inside his guard and walked-down Crocop was not the guy who fought in affliction. I seem to recall he also started doing things like religious fasting during training camps but not sure how solid that reference or my old-ass memory is.

 

[Ibm]

Jones has never lost, George has been Knocked out and almost got Ko'd numerous times. Fedor same however its excusable since he was an undersize HW and still managed to win. Jones Or Fedor, its a toss up imo.

 

[Gotosleepho]

Khabib

 

[Mike]

Lol every time we do one of these polls gsp wins and Jones fans get SO MAD. This is like the third time now.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Jon slight edge over GSP, both way above fedor

 

[markg171]

Lol every time we do one of these polls gsp wins and Jones fans get SO MAD. This is like the third time now.

I mean do you have any actual reason why 13-2 in title fights GSP should be ahead of 17-0 Jones?

People "get mad" because you guys keep voting with your heart strings and emotions instead of records.

 

[Iroh]

Lol every time we do one of these polls gsp wins and Jones fans get SO MAD. This is like the third time now.

Indeed, yet supposedly everybody who didn't vote for Jon are the emotional ones...

Greatness is completely subjective. If you think you're being rational by sttictly adhering to one definition of it and think other people have to use the same definition, you're not actually being rational.

 

[IIIIIIII]

He had been showing signs before that. Not using his grappling as effectively, relying on his blitz, no careful game planning, etc. The guy who beat Nog from inside his guard and walked-down Crocop was not the guy who fought in affliction. I seem to recall he also started doing things like religious fasting during training camps but not sure how solid that reference or my old-ass memory is.

yeah, i think he started losing focus once his dad died. that's when he started getting super-religious and began wearing a cross everywhere.

 

[Bouboumaster]

I mean do you have any actual reason why 13-2 in title fights GSP should be ahead of 17-0 Jones?

Jones cheated.

How can you vote for him?

Would you vote for Barry Bonds or Lance Armstrong as the GOATs of their own sports?
Of course not, because that would be dumbass.
Same with Jon Jones

He could/should have been the GOAT, but he forgot sportmanship along the way.
Same for Anderson Silva.

GSP
Fedor
Mighty Mouse

Is the answer

 

[JBJ was here]

In the ring Fedor . . .

In the ring there aren't any other plausible choices. Fedor may be incredibly overrated, but he's still far-and-away the greatest MMA ring fighter ever.

How that translates to fighting in the cage under the unified or similar rules, against opposition that includes some well rounded fighters and no professional wrestlers is not a particularly interesting question. I don't think it translates well, but there's not really any good reason to even ask the question in the first place.