Social Gender ideology is dying, common sense prevailing

[oldshadow]

The world is not as simple as you are

Biology is not simple but some aspects are straightforward. Men and women are different in various biological ways. One can pretend to be the other but it's only pretend. That doesn't change the biological facts.

One biological fact is the Q angle which is a biological difference and a fact. Thats just one of the many including the brain.

 

[Ares Black]

The same as a man cannot become a woman or a woman a man.

No, it really isn't.

A trans woman can identify as a trans woman because she is a trans woman.

It's not deceptive or delusional, it's honest. That's who she is.

You can debate whether trans women are women or not. That is certainly an interesting question.

But the idea that people just randomly decide that they're trans and they can just pick whatever identity they feel like is asinine and ass-backwards.

It's the same old attack helicopter bullshit that fundamentally misunderstands what identity means.

Yes, you can tailor some parts of your identity. Fashion or politics or other things you can adopt or abandon. I'm sure there are some "trans" people who are doing it as an aesthetic or political choice. Frankly I think a lot of non-binary people are doing just that.

But for most people there are some things that are core defining characteristics of who they are as a human being. And for most trans people that's what their gender identity is.

I would argue that many trans people know who they are even better than most "normal", because trans people have spent years and years wrestling with it, thinking about it, denying it, and finally accepting it.

No amount of therapy or other treatments have been successful in treating gender dysphoria.

But simply letting them be who they are is remarkably effective.

 

[Ares Black]

One biological fact is the Q angle which is a biological difference and a fact.

Thing like this are determined by secondary sex characteristics and puberty. Again you are talking about biological sex and not gender.

Thats just one of the many including the brain.

Funny you should mention that, because the brains of trans people have been shown to more closely resemble their "chosen" gender than the one they were assigned at birth.


Imagine you had the exact same brain you have now. Same interests, same fears. You know you're a man.

But everyone around you keeps telling you you're a woman. People laugh at you when you tell them you're a man.

That's the reality of life for many trans people. They know who they are, because they know themselves. But you want to tell them who they are without even knowing anything at all about them.

 

[oldshadow]

Thing like this are determined by secondary sex characteristics and puberty. Again you are talking about biological sex and not gender.

Funny you should mention that, because the brains of trans people have been shown to more closely resemble their "chosen" gender than the one they were assigned at birth.


Imagine you had the exact same brain you have now. Same interests, same fears. You know you're a man.

But everyone around you keeps telling you you're a woman. People laugh at you when you tell them you're a man.

That's the reality of life for many trans people. They know who they are, because they know themselves. But you want to tell them who they are without even knowing anything at all about them.

The Q angle is determined by DNA and the female hip and bone structure. The same as an anthropologist can tell female and male by bone structure.

If some people want to pretend they are what they are biologically not that's OK buy that doesn't mean they should be allowed to invade the situations that are separated by biology. Such as sports and locker rooms. There can be exceptions for post op. Even post op does not make a man a woman bit they have committed to the pretend enough to to be allowed to use female changing rooms. Sports are a different matter.

Now if it's a single person locker or bathroom then it doesn't matter but shared spaces are different.

Trans is a feeling or more acute a malfunction in the brain not the body the same as other malfunctions of the brain. The real trans anyway with children I think it more environmental as on home life or confusion do to hormone changes. That's why any chemical or surgical changes should not be allowed until reaching 18 years old except in a very small present that are born intersex with both male and female biology. Even then it's a delicate matter determining which is the way to go even for the person.

 

[kflo]

The Q angle is determined by DNA and the female hip and bone structure. The same as an anthropologist can tell female and male by bone structure.

If some people want to pretend they are what they are biologically not that's OK buy that doesn't mean they should be allowed to invade the situations that are separated by biology. Such as sports and locker rooms. There can be exceptions for post op. Even post op does not make a man a woman bit they have committed to the pretend enough to to be allowed to use female changing rooms. Sports are a different matter.

Now if it's a single person locker or bathroom then it doesn't matter but shared spaces are different.

Trans is a feeling or more acute a malfunction in the brain not the body the same as other malfunctions of the brain. The real trans anyway with children I think it more environmental as on home life or confusion do to hormone changes. That's why any chemical or surgical changes should not be allowed until reaching 18 years old except in a very small present that are born intersex with both male and female biology. Even then it's a delicate matter determining which is the way to go even for the person.

how do you legislate bathrooms and locker rooms if people are discrete in their use of the facilities?

again, to me, people should be forced to be discrete even in locker rooms. i don't understand people who just walk around naked in locker rooms. don't openly swing your dick around unless someone invites you to do so. and codify THAT in the law.

 

[RoastBeast]

how do you legislate bathrooms and locker rooms if people are discrete in their use of the facilities?

again, to me, people should be forced to be discrete even in locker rooms. i don't understand people who just walk around naked in locker rooms. don't openly swing your dick around unless someone invites you to do so. and codify THAT in the law.

It shouldn't need to be legislated. We've been able to police our own bathrooms for decades up until recently. If a man got caught going in the women's bathroom, he would be accosted or kicked out. These days if a man gets caught going in the women's bathroom, the person accosting gets fired from their job for protecting women.

Whether or not the man is swinging his dick around in a locker room is not the point. Would you want a man putting his eyes on your daughter as she discreetly changed into a bathing suit? Would you want him alone with her in a situation like that? A dick swinging out in the open is not required for a female to be in danger or uncomfortable.

 

[kflo]

It shouldn't need to be legislated. We've been able to police our own bathrooms for decades up until recently. If a man got caught going in the women's bathroom, he would be accosted or kicked out. These days if a man gets caught going in the women's bathroom, the person accosting gets fired from their job for protecting women.

that's not what happens "these days".

and trans women have been using the woman's room for decades.

Whether or not the man is swinging his dick around in a locker room is not the point. Would you want a man putting his eyes on your daughter as she discreetly changed into a bathing suit? Would you want him alone with her in a situation like that? A dick swinging out in the open is not required for a female to be in danger or uncomfortable.

we are talking about trans women, not just a guy who decides he wants to go creep on women. a man violating privacy of women with no pretense of being trans should be illegal. and is in most jurisdictions as far as i know. and it's not a valid defense to just say i felt like a woman that day.

again, people like you want trans men to use the woman's facility. individuals who look like a guy, dress like a guy, testosterone of a guy, beard, using woman's facilities.

legislate the pervs and protect the well intentioned innocents.

 

[Flower2dPeople]

 

[oldshadow]

how do you legislate bathrooms and locker rooms if people are discrete in their use of the facilities?

again, to me, people should be forced to be discrete even in locker rooms. i don't understand people who just walk around naked in locker rooms. don't openly swing your dick around unless someone invites you to do so. and codify THAT in the law.

Plenty of locker rooms have open locker areas for dressing, well here in the US anyway.

No you can't do a Dundee on every person going into a shared bathroom but you make it a crime for males that are pre op to use shared locker rooms and bathrooms and such and they go on the sex offender registry.

Will this stop all of it, no but it will discourage it for sure and at the very least they will be scared and have to hid themselves. This is for shared facilities only and they would not be gender neutral facilities which would have to be marked clearly they are gender neutral or not.

 

[MMA IAN]

It shouldn't need to be legislated. We've been able to police our own bathrooms for decades up until recently. If a man got caught going in the women's bathroom, he would be accosted or kicked out. These days if a man gets caught going in the women's bathroom, the person accosting gets fired from their job for protecting women.

Whether or not the man is swinging his dick around in a locker room is not the point. Would you want a man putting his eyes on your daughter as she discreetly changed into a bathing suit? Would you want him alone with her in a situation like that? A dick swinging out in the open is not required for a female to be in danger or uncomfortable.

It might have been that aimee chancellor trans that reddit hired then had to fire that was caught talking to under-age girls asking in great detail about how they insert tampons, talking about hers (how?). She could have asked grown women but nope...went straight to the kids.

 

[Natural Order]

Lol @Ares Black trying to morally shame people in here.

What a fucking donkey

 

[Natural Order]

It was a bit embarrassing to realize how foolish I was being, but it did restore my faith that I'm a good judge of character. I had you firmly filed under one of the good guys.

Nobody cares about your virtue files you phoney fuck.

 

[kflo]

Plenty of locker rooms have open locker areas for dressing, well here in the US anyway.

No you can't do a Dundee on every person going into a shared bathroom but you make it a crime for males that are pre op to use shared locker rooms and bathrooms and such and they go on the sex offender registry.

Will this stop all of it, no but it will discourage it for sure and at the very least they will be scared and have to hid themselves. This is for shared facilities only and they would not be gender neutral facilities which would have to be marked clearly they are gender neutral or not.

that's cruel. you want to make trans women scared to use the restroom or face arrest and going on a sex registry.

 

[Ares Black]

Lol @Ares Black trying to morally shame people in here.

What a fucking donkey

Only if they are behaving in a morally shameful manner, Sherbro!

 

[Ares Black]

Nobody cares about your virtue files you phoney fuck.

*phony

 

[Hog-train]

Lol @Ares Black trying to morally shame people in here.

What a fucking donkey

He's dunking on you transphobe. I bet you're a cis white male with privilege.

 

[Hog-train]

how do you legislate bathrooms and locker rooms if people are discrete in their use of the facilities?

again, to me, people should be forced to be discrete even in locker rooms. i don't understand people who just walk around naked in locker rooms. don't openly swing your dick around unless someone invites you to do so. and codify THAT in the law.

In your first sentence, you imply it's impossible legislate bathrooms and locker rooms.

In your second paragraph, you say they should make a law (legislate) saying you shouldn't be able to swing your dick around in locker rooms.

Those are two completely opposite statements. If you can legislate showing your dick in locker rooms, you can also outright ban biological males in locker rooms too.

 

[Natural Order]

*phony

lol, fucking dumb yank….sad bro

https://grammarist.com/usage/phony-phoney/

 

[Natural Order]

@Ares Black should stick to the heavies…

This is the annual, beginning of the year, Ares meltdown in the War Room.

Soon we’ll see double yellows and he’ll avoid until Feb 2026.

See ya next year, Fluffy.

 

[Ares Black]

@Ares Black should stick to the heavies…

This is the annual, beginning of the year, Ares meltdown in the War Room.

Soon we’ll see double yellows and he’ll avoid until Feb 2026.

See ya next year, Fluffy.

FYI annual means it happens every year