Social Gender ideology is dying, common sense prevailing

[Fox by the Sea]

That is certainly a creative interpretation of reality

Facts.

 

[kflo]

Shouldn't, but no law against being an asshole (at least in the US). But try to refuse to wax a "woman's" balls in Canada and see what happens.

You should have picked a different career!

Ball waxing is a basic human right!

 

[fedoriswar37]

This is especially funny because it's clear you don't actually have any idea what you are talking about and you are desperately clinging to the simplistic worldview that they teach small children.

You are furiously denying reality and absolutely determined to avoid learning about the subject.

You honestly think that the world is as simple as they told you it was when you were 5.

Its very black and white. Unless they're intersex then yes , the entire thing is based on feelings. Real feelings ? Sure . But still just based of feelings.

 

[fedoriswar37]

If I were going to open a public business, I’d just have a bunch of single stall unisex bathrooms. I’m surprised we don’t see more of these by now.

The most obvious solution to the bathroom issue. Never understood why this one was so hard.

 

[Ares Black]

Its very black and white.

Except it really isn't. Not in the real world.

Unless they're intersex then yes , the entire thing is based on feelings. Real feelings ? Sure . But still just based of feelings.

No, it's based on a ton of factors. Endocrine levels, hormones, social and cultural factors. What makes someone "male" or "female" is more complicated than simple biology. It just is.

It might be helpful to think of trans people as someone who was born with the brain of a woman in the body of a man, or vice versa. There is hard scientific evidence to suggest this.


If you are a religious person, it may help to think of a trans person as having a male body but a female soul, or vice versa.

Whatever the case, a trans woman is not a man, and a trans man is not a woman.

Yes, most people can be sorted into relatively simple binary categories. But not everyone. And that's entirely the point.

You are trying to understand the world as a binary system. And it isn't.

 

[oldshadow]

Reading comprehension really isn't your thing, is it?

He was obviously talking to me, and he just tagged you for emotional support.

Talking about reading comprehensive when you can't even tell what a woman is. Oh that's right it's how you feel, then I can identify as a black 6 foot 9 female WNBA star.

 

[Ares Black]

Facts.

You wouldn't recognize a fact if you saw one. You literally just make up whatever bullshit fits your narrative.

 

[oldshadow]

Except it really isn't. Not in the real world.

No, it's based on a ton of factors. Endocrine levels, hormones, social and cultural factors. What makes someone "male" or "female" is more complicated than simple biology. It just is.

Yes, most people can be sorted into relatively simple binary categories. But not everyone. And that's entirely the point.

You are trying to understand the world as a binary system. And it isn't.

We separate many things by biology for privacy and fairness, it's that simple.

 

[Ares Black]

Talking about reading comprehensive when you can't even tell what a woman is.

But I can though.

Oh that's right it's how you feel, then I can identify as a black 6 foot 9 female WNBA star.

No, you really can't. Because you aren't.

 

[fedoriswar37]

Except it really isn't. Not in the real world.

No, it's based on a ton of factors. Endocrine levels, hormones, social and cultural factors. What makes someone "male" or "female" is more complicated than simple biology. It just is.

Yes, most people can be sorted into relatively simple binary categories. But not everyone. And that's entirely the point.

You are trying to understand the world as a binary system. And it isn't.

The world isn't binary but male female is.

Menstruation , black and white. Male you cant, female you can. There's no other factors.

Give birth,Male you cant , female you can. Black and white.

How you feel doesnt change reality. If your a man your free to feel like your having your period , but your not.

 

[Ares Black]

We separate many things by biology for privacy and fairness, it's that simple.

The world is not as simple as you are

 

[Ares Black]

The world isn't binary but male female is.

Menstruation , black and white. Male you cant, female you can. There's no other factors.

Not true. Some women are born without a functional uterus and don't menstruate.

Give birth,Male you cant , female you can. Black and white.

Same deal. If you define woman as someone who can give birth you are excluding literally millions of women.

How you feel doesnt change reality.

How you feel absolutely does change reality, from your perspective.

There is no objective social reality, and the biological reality is much more complicated than you understand.

If your a man your free to feel like your having your period , but your not.

*you're

Again you are using gender and sex to mean exactly the same thing, and they just don't.

 

[Ares Black]

The most obvious solution to the bathroom issue. Never understood why this one was so hard.

On this we can agree.

Even if I support trans rights, which I do, I still don't want anyone to be forced to be used a bathroom that makes them uncomfortable.

There should be three options. A male bathroom, a female bathroom, and a unisex bathroom for people who feel uncomfortable using either of the other two.

But since you can't feasibly legislate who can use the male or female bathrooms, the third option would mostly be for transphobes, or possibly trans people who absolutely cannot pass.

 

[HereticBD]

The most obvious solution to the bathroom issue. Never understood why this one was so hard.

They'll still fight to use the women's bathroom. It's not about a convenient solution for everyone. If all these minority groups were fighting for "equal rights", they would have nothing to fight for, because they already have them. It's about power and control. There is no happy medium. Same thing if it was possible to create a "trans" sports league. They wouldn't want it, because it's a compromise.

 

[Ares Black]

They'll still fight to use the women's bathroom. It's not about a convenient solution for everyone. If all these minority groups were fighting for "equal rights", they would have nothing to fight for, because they already have them. It's about power and control. There is no happy medium. Same thing if it was possible to create a "trans" sports league. They wouldn't want it, because it's a compromise.

What absolute bullshit

 

[oldshadow]

But I can though.

No, you really can't. Because you aren't.

The same as a man cannot become a woman or a woman a man.

 

[oldshadow]

The world is not as simple as you are

Biology is not simple but some aspects are straightforward. Men and women are different in various biological ways. One can pretend to be the other but it's only pretend. That doesn't change the biological facts.

One biological fact is the Q angle which is a biological difference and a fact. Thats just one of the many including the brain.

 

[Ares Black]

The same as a man cannot become a woman or a woman a man.

No, it really isn't.

A trans woman can identify as a trans woman because she is a trans woman.

It's not deceptive or delusional, it's honest. That's who she is.

You can debate whether trans women are women or not. That is certainly an interesting question.

But the idea that people just randomly decide that they're trans and they can just pick whatever identity they feel like is asinine and ass-backwards.

It's the same old attack helicopter bullshit that fundamentally misunderstands what identity means.

Yes, you can tailor some parts of your identity. Fashion or politics or other things you can adopt or abandon. I'm sure there are some "trans" people who are doing it as an aesthetic or political choice. Frankly I think a lot of non-binary people are doing just that.

But for most people there are some things that are core defining characteristics of who they are as a human being. And for most trans people that's what their gender identity is.

I would argue that many trans people know who they are even better than most "normal", because trans people have spent years and years wrestling with it, thinking about it, denying it, and finally accepting it.

No amount of therapy or other treatments have been successful in treating gender dysphoria.

But simply letting them be who they are is remarkably effective.

 

[Ares Black]

One biological fact is the Q angle which is a biological difference and a fact.

Thing like this are determined by secondary sex characteristics and puberty. Again you are talking about biological sex and not gender.

Thats just one of the many including the brain.

Funny you should mention that, because the brains of trans people have been shown to more closely resemble their "chosen" gender than the one they were assigned at birth.


Imagine you had the exact same brain you have now. Same interests, same fears. You know you're a man.

But everyone around you keeps telling you you're a woman. People laugh at you when you tell them you're a man.

That's the reality of life for many trans people. They know who they are, because they know themselves. But you want to tell them who they are without even knowing anything at all about them.

 

[oldshadow]

Thing like this are determined by secondary sex characteristics and puberty. Again you are talking about biological sex and not gender.

Funny you should mention that, because the brains of trans people have been shown to more closely resemble their "chosen" gender than the one they were assigned at birth.


Imagine you had the exact same brain you have now. Same interests, same fears. You know you're a man.

But everyone around you keeps telling you you're a woman. People laugh at you when you tell them you're a man.

That's the reality of life for many trans people. They know who they are, because they know themselves. But you want to tell them who they are without even knowing anything at all about them.

The Q angle is determined by DNA and the female hip and bone structure. The same as an anthropologist can tell female and male by bone structure.

If some people want to pretend they are what they are biologically not that's OK buy that doesn't mean they should be allowed to invade the situations that are separated by biology. Such as sports and locker rooms. There can be exceptions for post op. Even post op does not make a man a woman bit they have committed to the pretend enough to to be allowed to use female changing rooms. Sports are a different matter.

Now if it's a single person locker or bathroom then it doesn't matter but shared spaces are different.

Trans is a feeling or more acute a malfunction in the brain not the body the same as other malfunctions of the brain. The real trans anyway with children I think it more environmental as on home life or confusion do to hormone changes. That's why any chemical or surgical changes should not be allowed until reaching 18 years old except in a very small present that are born intersex with both male and female biology. Even then it's a delicate matter determining which is the way to go even for the person.