Social Gender ideology is dying, common sense prevailing

UberHere said:
They’re both represented by the DNC, but other than that not the same thing which why that party is falling apart right now. They have too many irreconcilable differences with each other and leftists don’t do well playing with others when it’s time for compromise
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Leftist infighting is a scourge on politics. Many leftists are short-sighted ideologues.
 
Ares Black said:
Yes, and that's precisely the problem with politics. It rewards pandering to uneducated people by ridiculous oversimplifying and outright lying. That is why Trump is so successful.
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So should we go back to only people of select social and wealth statuses being allowed to vote?
 
UberHere said:
So should we go back the time when only people of select social and wealth statuses were allowed to vote?
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No, we should encourage people to actually understand what they are voting for
 
Ares Black said:
Trying to understand politics as a binary is almost as stupid and reductive as trying to understand gender as a binary
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Ares Black said:
Lol fuck this thread is so dumb and irritating


Just the worst and most dishonest posters in Sherdog.
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The projection is astonishing.

Concession accepted, btw.
 
Ares Black said:
Leftist infighting is a scourge on politics. Many leftists are short-sighted ideologues.
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That's because they represent the underclass, the peasantry and those with low moral constitutions.

When the left is managerialized by the retarda of society, how else do you expect it to flourish?
 
UberHere said:
I think people already are encouraged to through the public school system whether or not they pursue higher learning after high school or even complete it (if not from family, friends, coworkers, etc).
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That may be true, but voter turnout is still always really low and many people who do vote are basing it entirely on one issue that they don't really understand.
 
Ares Black said:
That may be true, but voter turnout is still always really low and many people who do vote are basing it entirely on one issue that they don't really understand.
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Politicians have been appealing to the basest of the populace since the beginning of democracy.

It’s never going to change. This is why, with its obvious flaws, limiting the population with voting power produces better government.
 
terrapin said:
you said--

If anything, bio sex makes it easier because a bad actor wouldn't even have to pretend to be a woman, he would just pretend to be trans.

this argument works in my favor actually and is part of my own argument about trans persons needing to pass to have access to women's spaces. just saying so should NOT give a man access to women's spaces. they have to put in the work....

also-- it is foolish to allow men who are part of the statistical probability of male pattern violence towards women into women's spaces and then say that if/when the data comes in ie women get raped or sexually harassed in large enough quantities that we will rethink the bill.

also its not just about violence... its about women having gender specific safe spaces for all kinds of reasons. women use restrooms for more than to use the restroom. also women fought very hard for their own spaces because they were being harassed and raped in restrooms...... we already know that will/does happen.

trans people WILL fit into the statistical probabilities of male pattern violence because they are in fact men in ever respect. since there are so few of them.... unless they don't have to pass that is... then there WILL be more harassment and rape and sexual assault. women should don't have to deal with the problem of men harming other men.... its a problem for men to deal with.

you didn't really respond to most of my position but its ok... I'm not looking to argue it tooth and nail anyway and not even willing to really. I just thought you might have something solid to go against my position. you don't... you have an opinion that is valid for you to have just as I do.

its strange to me that the left feels to high and mighty on this issue based on what I think are obviously weaker sentimental arguments that rely upon slandering trans critics. not that you did that... you DID NOT.
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is violence correlated with testosterone? is violence correlated with culture? is it associated at all with how you see yourself? competition? confrontation?

and again, who judges who can "pass" and what is the criteria to "pass"? who enforces it?
 
The_Renaissance said:
It was always a trend, as soon as it started getting these confused/rebellious young people as much attention and plaudits, they got bored of it and moved on. It was always a more extreme version of goth, and on par with 'cutting' which was a massive thing for a while and now you rarely even here about it. Funnily enough, 'cutting' followed a similar pattern whereby (largely) groups of teenage girl friends all somehow felt the need to start doing it at the same time......
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Globally, about 10 to 20% of people will self-harm in their lifetime, majority of these come from cutting. It has also increased across the years from when it became a known phenomenon among the public during the 80's/90's. It seems a bit callous to trivialize it as a cute and short-lived trend among bored teenagers.

Cutting isn't the new thing anymore and it's therefore probably less sensationalized, so it's not as likely to pop up as water cooler talk nowadays. But it's a misleading form of solipsism to assume something stopped existing or is in a hard decline just because that particular subject happens to have stopped appearing on your personal information feeds. The reverse is also true.
 
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Ares Black said:
Man, you really don't know me at all.

And you are doing exactly what I have been saying you people do. Taking the most extreme view and then arguing against that instead of engaging honestly with the actual conversation.
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The allowance of transwoman in nude spas issue is not the "extreme" view.

That was the one adopted by most mainstream media outlets - ABC, NBC, CBS, etc.

Mainstream media station with clip supporting it. They also has people on the streets protesting for it.

 
Hog-train said:
The allowance of transwoman in nude spas issue is not the "extreme" view.

That was the one adopted by most mainstream media outlets - ABC, NBC, CBS, etc.

Mainstream media station with clip supporting it. They also has people on the streets protesting for it.

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Always the case - when something starts getting cleared up, a lot who were heavily in favour of 100% of it start backtracking and rewriting the narrative to make themselves seem more level headed. This isn't aimed at anyone in this thread, BTW. The same happened with covid. When the dust started settling and the enquiries began and the negative data started coming out slowly, lot of people started putting distance between themselves and some ridiculously hardcore views they held during the peak.
 
The_Renaissance said:
Always the case - when something starts getting cleared up, a lot who were heavily in favour of 100% of it start backtracking and rewriting the narrative to make themselves seem more level headed. This isn't aimed at anyone in this thread, BTW. The same happened with covid. When the dust started settling and the enquiries began and the negative data started coming out slowly, lot of people started putting distance between themselves and some ridiculously hardcore views they held during the peak.
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Yeah I remember people saying that the unvaxxed should be forced to be locked up inside their homes or in camps until they complied. Falsely believing that being vaxxed for COVID was similar to being vaxxed for polio or measles. Anyone with a mildly average IQ knew that wasn't possible.

Kudos to Ares for sticking with his radicalized, completely factually untrue and illogical ideology despite most of his like minded counterparts jumping off that ship a while ago.
 
RoastBeast said:
Yeah I remember people saying that the unvaxxed should be forced to be locked up inside their homes or in camps until they complied. Falsely believing that being vaxxed for COVID was similar to being vaxxed for polio or measles. Anyone with a mildly average IQ knew that wasn't possible.

Kudos to Ares for sticking with his radicalized, completely factually untrue and illogical ideology despite most of his like minded counterparts jumping off that ship a while ago.
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I disagree with @Ares Black on most things apart from his excellent MMA posting but he's holding his own here and doing a good job of it for the most part
I don't have to agree with him but he's tackling every question put his way and putting the time in. He's a good lad, Ares.
 
The_Renaissance said:
Always the case - when something starts getting cleared up, a lot who were heavily in favour of 100% of it start backtracking and rewriting the narrative to make themselves seem more level headed. This isn't aimed at anyone in this thread, BTW. The same happened with covid. When the dust started settling and the enquiries began and the negative data started coming out slowly, lot of people started putting distance between themselves and some ridiculously hardcore views they held during the peak.
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They backed away from it when it eventually came out that spa trans person had previous felony convictions for indecent exposure and was a registered sex offender.
 
The_Renaissance said:
I disagree with @Ares Black on most things apart from his excellent MMA posting but he's holding his own here and doing a good job of it for the most part
I don't have to agree with him but he's tackling every question put his way and putting the time in. He's a good lad, Ares.
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The guy that can't even define what a woman is, is definitely not holding his own.
 
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