Social Gender ideology is dying, common sense prevailing

[Koro_11]

That's all made up nonsense?


Here is the Yale School of Medicine, reporting on the Institute of Medicine Convention from 2001:

What Do We Mean By Sex and Gender?

As we pursue our work at Women's Health Research at Yale, it is particularly important to use language that captures the different concepts of sex and gender so

medicine.yale.edu

The IOM, now embedded within the National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine (NASEM), concluded there was more than sufficient evidence that, beyond reproductive biology, there were major differences in the biology of women and men that greatly affected their health and influenced treatment and prevention strategies.

Importantly, the committee emphasized that neither the health of women nor men is simply a product of biology but is also influenced by sociocultural and psychological experience. To differentiate between these broad areas of investigation, the members created working definitions of “sex” — when referring to biology — and “gender” — when referring to self-representation influenced by social, cultural, and personal experience.

The committee advised that scientists use these definitions in the following ways:

• In the study of human subjects, the term sex should be used as a classification, generally as male or female, according to the reproductive organs and functions that derive from the chromosomal complement [generally XX for female and XY for male].
• In the study of human subjects, the term gender should be used to refer to a person's self-representation as male or female, or how that person is responded to by social institutions on the basis of the individual's gender presentation.
• In most studies of nonhuman animals, the term sex should be used.

These working definitions were a good start in recognizing the value of studying sex and gender and their interactions, yet they were always meant to evolve. Now, we are learning more about ourselves and so must adapt our terminology to be inclusive, respectful, and more accurate.

This is on the confusion between sex and gender and the implications:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/B9780128157671000043

The hilarious part is that you claimed that "science" was on your side. But of course when you are shown otherwise you say.

wah wah I just don't care

Which proves my point. It is not about being true to 'scientific fact' or common sense. It's about you being a malcontent, pathetic, uneducated snowflake who thinks using pronouns to refer to people is an infringement on their liberty.

I couldn't care less what some cuck from Yale says, and I never used the word "science" once on this thread, I'm telling you I don't give a shit about someone's mental illness or sexual fetish.

As for their "rights", they already have rights, the same rights that I have, and those are human rights. They're free to think what they want, and they're free to fuck who they want... this entire conversation is about imposing their nonsense on others who don't give a shit.

Anyway, you keep harping on about this all you want, you're obviously completely disconnected from reality and can't see that the vast majority, and that includes the majority of lefties, and done with this nonsense. This shit is going the way of the dodo, and not a moment too soon.

But yeah, tell me more about some gender studies essay...

 

[UberHere]

Here is the Yale School of Medicine, and the IOM reporting on the community consensus.

What Do We Mean by Sex and Gender?

Women’s Health Research at Yale is committed to advancing the health of a diverse society. Our focus is studying the health of women and the role of sex and

medicine.yale.edu

Here is a relevant article in the Journal of Neuroscience research

Genetics, sex, and gender - PubMed

This review aims to give an overview of what has been discovered so far and what still needs to be analyzed about how sex and gender affect the disease development. These two terms are often confused and indifferently used. In principle, the term "sex" refers to biological differences between...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Here is an article by the WHO (World Health Organization).

Gender and health

Gender and health

www.who.int

So, before you open you uneducated trap, and start confusing gender identity with being a cat, at least have the decency to read and not make a jackass of yourself.

lol at social science
That shit just started getting momentum when I was a medical student and we all knew it was bullshit

Like they say, a sucker is born every minute

 

[krelianx]

Yes.

Also the Yale School of Medicine, the World Health Organization, and the entire scientific community are "mindless drones".


But HereticBD is a real free thinker. Emancipated from ideology and establishment discourse. Beyond scientific idolatry.

A true self-made man, who sees the truth through the lenses of common sense, congruent with the politics of modern-day Republicanism.

The degree of irony in this spectacle is truly delectable.

 

[b-hop]

I didn't make a false equivalence, I made a real distinction based on what the scientific community has found.

You keep citing markets for sex. But this is not about sex but about gender.

And I have already shared several articles to this purpose. You can choose to be obtuse, but that's your problem.

But you're repeating that sex shouldn't be a way to determinated if this or that person is a man or woman.
So i've to play along in pretending that doesn't matter just because the person decided that it doesn't.

And again i shouldn't, as i shouldn't impose either my views into other people;

 

[krelianx]

I couldn't care less what some cuck from Yale says, and I never used the word "science" once on this thread, I'm telling you I don't give a shit about someone's mental illness or sexual fetish.

As for their "rights", they already have rights, the same rights that I have, and those are human rights. They're free to think what they want, and they're free to fuck who they want... this entire conversation is about imposing their nonsense on others who don't give a shit.

Anyway, you keep harping on about this all you want, you're obviously completely disconnected from reality and can't see that the vast majority, and that includes the majority of lefties, and done with this nonsense. This shit is going the way of the dodo, and not a moment too soon.

But yeah, tell me more about some gender studies essay...

You are free to be an ignorant bigot and remain so. Some "cuck from Yale" is the Yale Institute of Medicine, the IMC, the World Health Organization, and literally every single scientific community in the world.

You can choose to blur distinctions that are real, but you don't get to claim then that it is them who are disconnected from reality.

 

[Koro_11]

You are free to be an ignorant bigot and remain so. Some "cuck from Yale" is the Yale Institute of Medicine, the IMC, the World Health Organization, and literally every single scientific community in the world.

You can choose to blur distinctions that are real, but you don't get to claim then that it is them who are disconnected from reality.

 

[krelianx]

But you're repeating that sex shouldn't be a way to determinated if this or that person is a man or woman.
So i've to play along in pretending that doesn't matter just because the person decided that it doesn't.

And again i shouldn't, as i shouldn't impose either my views into other people;

I said that there is a difference between sex and gender, and that the latter has to do with identity. A person that identifies as a woman or chooses to use she-her pronouns might be biologically male.

That is not imposing any view on anyone, just indicating that pronouns are being used as a marker of gender identity, not biological sex. Nobody is saying you cannot say someone was born a man or a woman.

What is so fucking hard to understand?

 

[HereticBD]

Also the Yale School of Medicine, the World Health Organization, and the entire scientific community are "mindless drones".

No, they're paid propagandists. Like I said, you would've supported Phrenology and Lobotomies in the past. You have no mind of your own, and would literally believe anything, as long as "the science" backed it up. During COVID, you would have stood on your head and jacked yourself off, if "the science" told you it was the best method of avoiding infection.

 

[b-hop]

I said that there is a difference between sex and gender, and that the latter has to do with identity. A person that identifies as a woman or chooses to use she-her pronouns might be biologically male.

That is not imposing any view on anyone, just indicating that pronouns are being used as a marker of gender identity, not biological sex. Nobody is saying you cannot say someone was born a man or a woman.

What is so fucking hard to understand?

Again, i'm not arguing that person doesn't have the right to identify herself how she wants. But i also have the right to identify her how she is. And i shouldn't have be forced to participate in "her choices".

 

[krelianx]

No, they're paid propagandists. Like I said, you would've supported Phrenology and Lobotomies in the past. You have no mind of your own, and would literally believe anything, as long as "the science" backed it up. During COVID, you would have stood on your head and jacked yourself off, if "the science" told you it was the best method of avoiding infection.

Yes, God forbid I read scientific literature and form an opinion based on research as opposed to follow my 'common sense'.

That's a really nice way to justify being an ignorant, lazy moron, by the way.

I don't care what science says I just use my own common sense!

Again, you're not only an ignorant moron, but a hypocrite.

 

[krelianx]

Again, i'm not arguing that person doesn't have the right to identify herself how she wants. But i also have the right to identify her how she is. And i shouldn't have be forced to participate in "her choices".

You are confusing the is of gender with the is of sex.

Why do you insist on identifying someone with their biological sex, unless you think biological sex determines gender identity? That goes against everything we have learned from science. And I've already cited several sources.

You insist on conflating the two registers.

 

[b-hop]

You are confusing the is of gender with the is of sex.

Why do you insist on identifying someone with their biological sex, unless you think biological sex determines gender identity? That goes against everything we have learned from science. And I've already cited several sources.

You insist on conflating the two registers.

Really? sex determinating gender goes against science? So the other 99% who identify themselves with the same sex and gender are actually the crazy ones?

And yeah i insist to identify someone for the biological sex, the same way i can't oblige others to identify me like as a lion if i decide to be "specie fluid".

 

[krelianx]

Really? sex determinating gender goes against science? So the other 99% who identify themselves with the same sex and gender are actually the crazy ones?

And yeah i insist to identify someone for the biological sex, the same way i can't oblige others to identify me like as a lion if i decide to be "specie fluid".

Yes, sex does not determine gender, even if they are strongly correlated. I just cited several sources that explain that point, and you can google and explore the literature at your heart's content.

You can choose to identify whoever you want with their biological sex. The question is why, if you know there is a distinction between the two, and that the question of self-identification is claimed as a determination of gender.

You are being deliberately obtuse for no reason.

 

[Soggust]

Really? sex determinating gender goes against science? So the other 99% who identify themselves with the same sex and gender are actually the crazy ones?

And yeah i insist to identify someone for the biological sex, the same way i can't oblige others to identify me like as a lion if i decide to be "specie fluid".

If a guy at work converts to Islam and changes his name to Muhammad, am I obliged to call him that as someone who isn't Muslim, themselves?

If everyday I call him "Fred" or whatever his prior name is, despite his objections, is that based or am I just being a cunt?

 

[HereticBD]

Yes, God forbid I read scientific literature and form an opinion based on research as opposed to follow my 'common sense'.

That's a really nice way to justify being an ignorant, lazy moron, by the way.

I don't care what science says I just use my own common sense!

Again, you're not only an ignorant moron, but a hypocrite.

Lulz.

Whatever makes you feel better about your delusions. You're never gonna win this absurd fight, and will always be looked at like a flat Earther. Enjoy being history's court jester.

 

[b-hop]

If a guy at work converts to Islam and changes his name to Muhammad, am I obliged to call him that as someone who isn't Muslim, themselves?

If everyday I call him "Fred" or whatever his prior name is, despite his objections, is that based or am I just being a cunt?

He's still a guy though, can't call him a woman if i clearly see he's a guy.
Nothing really similar, pointless comparison.

 

[HereticBD]

If a guy at work converts to Islam and changes his name to Muhammad, am I obliged to call him that as someone who isn't Muslim, themselves?

If everyday I call him "Fred" or whatever his prior name is, despite his objections, is that based or am I just being a cunt?

That is a retarded comparison. May as well be arguing to treat somebody like a dog, as they walk around on all fours naked and bark at you, because name changes exist.

It's totally the same thing, bro! Don't be cunt. Pat him on the head and give him a doggie biscuit.

 

[Soggust]

He's still a guy though, can't call him a woman if i clearly see he's a guy.
Nothing really similar, pointless comparison.

I would argue it's the exact same.

The forest from the trees is that we are treating people with kindness regardless of their delusions, whether that's transgenderism or religion or whatever.

Certainly, the argument can't be that trans people are mentally ill because they think they can change sex but Muhammad splitting the moon in half or Jesus walking on water and rising from the dead 3 days are all reasonable because... magic.

That is a retarded comparison. May as well be arguing to treat somebody like a dog, as they walk around on all fours naked and bark at you, because name changes exist.

It's totally the same thing, bro! Don't be cunt. Pat him on the head and give him a doggie biscuit.

Can't trans to a dog because dogs can't consent homie.

But you're right. There's no middle ground. The better answer is clearly to shit all over them and shame them at every opportunity and make fun of them like the leftist athiests have been doing to the religious right for years, because that totally showed em the way.

 

[b-hop]

I would argue it's the exact same.

The forest from the trees is that we are treating people with kindness regardless of their delusions, whether that's transgenderism or religion or whatever.

Certainly, the argument can't be that trans people are mentally ill because they think they can change sex but Muhammad splitting the moon in half or Jesus walking on water and rising from the dead 3 days are all reasonable because... magic.





Can't trans to a dog because dogs can't consent homie.

But you're right. There's no middle ground. The better answer is clearly to shit all over them and shame them at every opportunity and make fun of them like the leftist athiests have been doing to the religious right for years, because that totally showed em the way.

It's not, because recognizing someone is something that's is not is lying to ourselves too. And we should live in a society where you're not obligated to lie to yourself to accomodate a particular group of people.

Since the beginning this country had freedom of religion, everyone had the right to practice the religion they want, but i don't have to be a follower so again pointless comparaison.

Not going to commenting either about the delusion of think you're something you're not with believing in God.

 

[HereticBD]

But you're right. There's no middle ground. The better answer is clearly to shit all over them and shame them at every opportunity

If adhering to reality is "shitting on them", then yeah. Sorry, not every kooky movement gets a pass just because.

Lift up people that need it without any delusions driving them, like little people. The whole world ain't built for them, but you don't see them bitching and moaning, and demanding that every single establishment caters to their handicap. They just get on with it. They would at least have an argument that the stools in the bar are too high. Much better argument than "I need to get naked in the women's changeroom, because I think I'm a girl"

This ridiculous shit can't go away fast enough.