Social Gender ideology is dying, common sense prevailing

[krelianx]

Because if i decide being adress as a cat, doesn't give me right to forcefully make other people participate in my wishes.

Depends on what the wishes entails.

Because you decide to not recognize others as what they recognizes themselves as doesn't give you the right to force other people to comply to your own way of looking at things.

You are drawing a idiotic strawman as well. Please tell how it hurts, injures, or interferes with your life to use the pronouns someone claims for themselves when referring to them? You can always use their names, in case you didn't notice.

Explain that.

 

[Koro_11]

I want to compel others to treat others with respect and not be retrograde Neanderthals.

If my name is Daniel and I say "call me Dan" why wouldn't you? Why does it bother you so much?

The truth is, it doesn't. You just are a malcontent, miserable moron who is injured by other people living their lives.

Now you're moving the goalpost, we're not talking about names. If some dude named Bob decides to legally change his name to Barbara and tells me that's his name then that's what I'll call him.

What I won't do is refer to him as she/her because he can't change his biological sex.

 

[krelianx]

That's the kind of argument that these people claim is "common sense".

"But if you say you're a cat I don't have to treat you as a cat."

And then they have the nerve to claim "common sense."

 

[b-hop]

Depends on what the wishes entails.

Because you decide to not recognize others as what they do to it doesn't give you the right to force other people to comply to your own way of looking at things.

You are drawing a idiotic strawman as well. Please tell how it hurts, injures, or interferes with your life to use the pronouns someone claims for themselves when refering to them? You can always use their names, in case you didn't notice.

Explain that.

But why by principle do i've to call you a woman if you're clearly a man? And what grants me the right to oblige others to call my maximus felinus?

See, i've to respect other people personal freedoms and not imposing by own believes, specially if it's a clearly deranged one.

 

[krelianx]

Now you're moving the goalpost, we're not talking about names. If some dude named Bob decides to legally change his name to Barbara and tells me that's his name then that's what I'll call him.

What I won't do is refer to him as she/her because he can't change his biological sex.

There is a distinction between sex and gender. The former is a biological determination, the latter is about social roles.

Pronouns are about gender, not sex. Sex does not determine gender roles. This is a distinction that is made within the natural and social sciences, extensively.

If you want to say the opposite, please cite me any literature on the subject that determines that.

 

[krelianx]

But why by principle do i've to call you a woman if you're clearly a man? And what grants me the right to oblige others to call my maximus felinus?

See, i've to respect other people personal freedoms and not imposing by own believes, specially if it's a clearly deranged one.

You don't have to call anyone a woman, but use the pronouns they identify as. Because, for the gazillionth time, sex is different than gender. Sex is a biological category, gender a social one. Gender is about identity, not biological composition.

You are confusing registers.

 

[krelianx]

I like it that all these dorks quote "biological fact" only to show absolute ignorance on the most basic distinctions at work here.

 

[Koro_11]

There is a distinction between sex and gender. The former is a biological determination, the latter is about social roles.

Pronouns are about gender, not sex. Sex does not determine gender roles. This is a distinction that is made within the natural and social sciences, extensively.

If you want to say the opposite, please cite me any literature on the subject that determines that.

That's all fucken nonsense someone made up yesterday.

More importantly I don't give a shit... bla bla bla, I'm this I'm that... fine, be whoever the fuck you wanna be, fuck whatever turns you on... everyone has a distinct personality, everyone has some unique thing about them, who the fuck cares?

Now there's this "special" group of people who need OTHERS to bow down to their special little thing? Nah, fuck that, you do you and call yourself whatever you want, but don't impose your shit on me or the rest of society.

 

[HereticBD]

You are uneducated, and don't know what you are talking about.

Sure bud. That's what flat Earther's say too.

 

[b-hop]

You don't have to call anyone a woman, but use the pronouns they identify as. Because, for the gazillionth time, sex is different than gender. Sex is a biological category, gender a social one. Gender is about identity, not biological composition.

You are confusing registers.

No i shouldn't have it. You know perfectly well there're many many sexual markers of either sex that's easily identifiable. As it's very easy to identify me as a human, and not other specie.

So again i don't have to play along in that, as other people don't have to play along with me.

 

[krelianx]

That's all fucken nonsense someone made up yesterday.

More importantly I don't give a shit... bla bla bla, I'm this I'm that... fine, be whoever the fuck you wanna be, fuck whatever turns you on... everyone has a distinct personality, everyone has some unique thing about them, who the fuck cares?

Now there's this "special" group of people who need OTHERS to bow down to their special little thing? Nah, fuck that, you do you and call yourself whatever you want, but don't impose your shit on me or the rest of society.

That's all made up nonsense?


Here is the Yale School of Medicine, reporting on the Institute of Medicine Convention from 2001:

What Do We Mean By Sex and Gender?

As we pursue our work at Women's Health Research at Yale, it is particularly important to use language that captures the different concepts of sex and gender so

medicine.yale.edu

The IOM, now embedded within the National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine (NASEM), concluded there was more than sufficient evidence that, beyond reproductive biology, there were major differences in the biology of women and men that greatly affected their health and influenced treatment and prevention strategies.

Importantly, the committee emphasized that neither the health of women nor men is simply a product of biology but is also influenced by sociocultural and psychological experience. To differentiate between these broad areas of investigation, the members created working definitions of “sex” — when referring to biology — and “gender” — when referring to self-representation influenced by social, cultural, and personal experience.

The committee advised that scientists use these definitions in the following ways:

• In the study of human subjects, the term sex should be used as a classification, generally as male or female, according to the reproductive organs and functions that derive from the chromosomal complement [generally XX for female and XY for male].
• In the study of human subjects, the term gender should be used to refer to a person's self-representation as male or female, or how that person is responded to by social institutions on the basis of the individual's gender presentation.
• In most studies of nonhuman animals, the term sex should be used.

These working definitions were a good start in recognizing the value of studying sex and gender and their interactions, yet they were always meant to evolve. Now, we are learning more about ourselves and so must adapt our terminology to be inclusive, respectful, and more accurate.

This is on the confusion between sex and gender and the implications:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/B9780128157671000043

The hilarious part is that you claimed that "science" was on your side. But of course when you are shown otherwise you say.

wah wah I just don't care

Which proves my point. It is not about being true to 'scientific fact' or common sense. It's about you being a malcontent, pathetic, uneducated snowflake who thinks using pronouns to refer to people is an infringement on their liberty.

 

[krelianx]

No i shouldn't have it. You know perfectly well there're many many sexual markers of either sex that's easily identifiable. As it's very easy to identify me as a human, and not other specie.

So again i don't have to play along in that, as other people don't have to play along with me.

You are not even understanding what is being told to you.

 

[Tatra]

Maga's obsession with the lgbtq community is creepy as fuck. Mind your own fuckin business.

You people never cool it with the 'why do you even care' responses, do you?

 

[krelianx]

Sure bud. That's what flat Earther's say too.

Right, because the medical and scientific establishment also endorse Flat Earth.

You are the one who is acting like an obscurantist that wants to erase what scientific research has shown us over the last century of research. I already cited several sources, but you can choose to continue to believe that 'science' is on your side.

 

[krelianx]

No i shouldn't have it. You know perfectly well there're many many sexual markers of either sex that's easily identifiable. As it's very easy to identify me as a human, and not other specie.

So again i don't have to play along in that, as other people don't have to play along with me.

Here is the Yale School of Medicine, and the IOM reporting on the community consensus.

What Do We Mean by Sex and Gender?

Women’s Health Research at Yale is committed to advancing the health of a diverse society. Our focus is studying the health of women and the role of sex and

medicine.yale.edu

Here is a relevant article in the Journal of Neuroscience research

Genetics, sex, and gender - PubMed

This review aims to give an overview of what has been discovered so far and what still needs to be analyzed about how sex and gender affect the disease development. These two terms are often confused and indifferently used. In principle, the term "sex" refers to biological differences between...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Here is an article by the WHO (World Health Organization).

Gender and health

Gender and health

www.who.int

So, before you open you uneducated trap, and start confusing gender identity with being a cat, at least have the decency to read and not make a jackass of yourself.

 

[HereticBD]

Right, because the medical and scientific establishment also endorse Flat Earth.

You are the one who is acting like an obscurantist that wants to erase what scientific research has shown us over the last century of research. I already cited several sources, but you can choose to continue to believe that 'science' is on your side.

They have not shown anything. No amount of "science" is gonna make a man into a woman. Enjoy being strung along, though. You would've supported Phrenology and Lobotomies in the past. You're a mindless drone.

 

[b-hop]

You are not even understanding what is being told to you.

I'm not to play along with you're false equivalence either.
You're pretending that sex doesn't automatically give notion of what's is a man or a woman by so many other makers other than genitalia, is pointless to debate.

facial bone structure is almost always suffiicient enough, that's something a forensic doctor can pick up really easy too btw,to determinate if a victime was a man or woman, and disregarding many other things like breasts, height, adam's apple prominency,etc...just that alone.

 

[krelianx]

They have not shown anything. No amount of "science" is gonna make a man into a woman. Enjoy being strung along, though. You would've supported Phrenology and Lobotomies in the past. You're a mindless drone.

I'm the mindless drone that has educated himself on the subject, and is drawing distinctions based on decades of research. But you are the mindful one, by choosing to be willfully ignorant, and confuse registers. Not only are you stupid and ignorant, but a hypocrite.

You claim science is on your side, and when shown otherwise, you recoil and claim "science cannot disprove what I believe".

Now you can actually say what you want, which is that you don't care about science.

And who is the ideologized one again?

 

[HereticBD]

I'm the mindless drone

Yes.

I'm also sure that you masked up in between bites at a crowded restaurant during COVID, because "the science" told you it would keep you safe.

 

[krelianx]

I'm not to play along with you're false equivalence either.
You're pretending that sex doesn't automatically give notion of what's is a man or a woman by so many other makers other than genitalia, is pointless to debate.

facial bone structure is almost always suffiicient enough, that's something a forensic doctor can pick up really easy too btw,to determinate if a victime was a man or woman, and disregarding many other things like breasts, height, adam's apple prominency,etc...just that alone.

I didn't make a false equivalence, I made a real distinction based on what the scientific community has found.

You keep citing markers for sex. But this is not about sex but about gender.

And I have already shared several articles to this purpose. You can choose to be obtuse, but that's your problem.