Social Gender ideology is dying, common sense prevailing

[IDGETKTFO]

So....Abolish congress?

No, just the Mentally ill members.

 

[deviake]

Trans people aren't going anywhere and they're not the cause of our problems. They're just people. Fuck off. The phenomena is pretty well studied. Your eggs ain't getting cheaper by demeaning them and I suspect a lotta/most the people talking on this topic don't even know any trans people.

 

[krelianx]

Lulz.

Whatever makes you feel better about your delusions. You're never gonna win this absurd fight, and will always be looked at like a flat Earther. Enjoy being history's court jester.

You already lost this fight. You have no a leg to stand on except your moronic appeals to 'common sense'.

 

[krelianx]

If the plandemic taught us anything it was that "The Science"/scientists and so on, is/are about as trustworthy as MSM anymore and maybe ever.

Most scientists/ and so on, know they must fall exactly in line with their benefactor's beliefs (agenda), or probably have their funding taken away.

Finding (funding) people who'll write up pseudo science trash studies like the 24 year article you linked isn't difficult or the final proof you think it is.

Great, so please quote me the credible scientific literature that disproves the articles just cited, and discredits my argument.

Surely not everyone in the scientific community is a farce, or else you'd better never see a doctor again.

I'll wait for the citations.

 

[Soggust]

It's not, because recognizing someone is something that's is not is lying to ourselves too. And we should live in a society where you're not obligated to lie to yourself to accomodate a particular group of people.

Since the beginning this country had freedom of religion, everyone was the right to practice the religion they want, but i don't have to be a follower so again pointless comparaison.

Not going to commenting either about the delusion of think you're something you're not with believing in God.

I feel like it's a bit of stretch to deem it lying to yourself any more than telling someone their shitty haircut looks great in order to boost their spirits, but I think it's fair for you to disagree with me there.

I don't want to trap you in a long chain of responses, I just throw this take out here in these threads because I genuinely see the extremes as incredibly similar.

Although respectfully not sure I understand your second point. Seems like if I don't have to be a follower bc freedom of (from) religion, HR should have no issue with me calling Muhammad "Fred".

If adhering to reality is "shitting on them", then yeah. Sorry, not every kooky movement gets a pass just because.

Lift up people that need it without any delusions driving them, like little people. The whole world ain't built for them, but you don't see them bitching and moaning, and demanding that every single establishment caters to their handicap. They just get on with it. They would at least have an argument that the stools in the bar are too high. Much better argument than "I need to get naked in the women's changeroom, because I think I'm a girl"

This ridiculous shit can't go away fast enough.

And religious organizations get tax breaks and exemptions from discrimination laws and school curriculum oversight. They can also sometimes skirt drug laws like peyote, DMT, weed, mushroms and can even occasionally receive governments grants without giving up mission.

Their delusion is currently being lifted up as well. If our position is "fuck them both, we don't want to pay for or adhere to dumb ideology at the public level" - then I'm with you. Let's give those tax breaks to midgets instead.

But it's the inconsistency I don't understand because these are literally the same arguments I've been hearing for years from the left about religious people.

 

[b-hop]

I feel like it's a bit of stretch to deem it lying to yourself any more than telling someone their shitty haircut looks great in order to boost their spirits, but I think it's fair for you to disagree with me there.

I don't want to trap you in a long chain of responses, I just throw this take out here in these threads because I genuinely see the extremes as incredibly similar.

Although respectfully not sure I understand your second point. Seems like if I don't have to be a follower bc freedom of (from) religion, HR should have no issue with me calling Muhammad "Fred".

It would if they didn't push their vision to kids for exemple, competing unfairly with women, sharing safe spaces for women with them, and perversing the all natural interactions of human society, again to accomodate a very small group of people, so we see how serious can be, nothing like a inoquous thing like an haircut.

This is my vision, has everyone has right to think freely, i can see your disagreements.
But in my vision this it's a serious topic about all of that, plus freedom of thinking by myself without subjecting to others.

Not really similar with religion in my opinion either, because atleast you're not sure Gods exists or doesn't exist, 100% we know what is a female and a male, a second rarely i see someone who is a christian trying to force their views upon others.

 

[ermac88]

Mentally ill people should not be in congress.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Man, whenever you hear someone mention the "gender is different from sex" catechism you automatically know you're dealing with a gullible midwit.

Nobody has any obligation to entertain delusions of mentally ill people. And posting horseshit ideological "studies" is such a bad look.

 

[krelianx]

Man, whenever you hear someone mention the "gender is different from sex" catechism you automatically know you're dealing with a gullible midwit.

Nobody has any obligation to entertain delusions of mentally ill people. And posting horseshit ideological "studies" is such a bad look.

Great, I am eagerly waiting to hear about your own studies, methods, or references. Of course, not deferring to "common sense" as a cheat to excuse yourself from justification. Or studies that show that the gender vs. sex distinction is not credible.

So let us see what you are basing your views on. God forbid someone cites scientific literature to support their views.

"Science is a deceitful institution."

Sounds familiar.

 

[krelianx]

The same people that will call a biological male a "girl" for acting in a way that does not conform to their idea of how males behave like to deny there is any difference between gender and sex.

Really funny actually.

 

[Hog-train]

I didn't make a false equivalence, I made a real distinction based on what the scientific community has found.

You keep citing markers for sex. But this is not about sex but about gender.

And I have already shared several articles to this purpose. You can choose to be obtuse, but that's your problem.

You keep saying there is a difference between sex and gender.

Ok but all the issues people are having with the trans advocates is that they are trying to conflate sex and gender.

Sports is divided male and female due to immutable SEX differences. Locker rooms are divided male and female because of SEX differences (they don't want to see a penis in the locker room.)

They don't want transwomen in female prisons due to SEX differences. Because they impregnate the female prisoners.

So it is actually the trans activists that are confusing sex and gender.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Great, I am eagerly waiting to hear about your own studies, methods, or references. Of course, not deferring to "common sense" as a cheat to excuse yourself from justification. Or studies that show that the gender vs. sex distinction is not credible.

So let us see what you are basing your views on. God forbid someone cites scientific literature to support their views.

"Science is a deceitful institution."

Sounds familiar.

Well the studies you posted have in no way proven anything. They're just pseudo behavioral - normative horseshit vaguely gesturing at science while avoiding it almost completely. Nothing is pinned down when talking about the subject of the research, the only thing that is is the expected reaction to it.

But you're obviously too dumb to understand these supposed studies and just go ahead like a lemming screaming about shit it doesn't have a critical method of understanding.

Your entire argument is "my lesbian yoga teacher believes it and if you don't you're mean".

Grow up.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

I have a background in biochem and organic chemistry studies as well. Just because something isn’t part of a curriculum or occurs rarely in a population, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. A psychiatric disorder doesn’t account for 100% incidents of transgenderism. There is a genetic component to it and you would never be “laughed out of a room” unless you were in a creationist studies class.

What is the % of the population which is transgender without a psychiatric disorder?

 

[krelianx]

You keep saying there is a difference between sex and gender.

Ok but all the issues people are having with the trans advocates is that they are trying to conflate sex and gender.

Sports is divided male and female due to immutable SEX differences. Locker rooms are divided male and female because of SEX differences (they don't want to see a penis in the locker room.)

They don't want transwomen in female prisons due to SEX differences. Because they impregnate the female prisoners.

So it is actually the trans activists that are confusing sex and gender.

And I would agree with a separation in sports between biologically born males who are self-identifying women-females in competition from being able to participate in female leagues, under most conditions.

I am not claiming there no thorny issues on the topic, or that one should one simply ignore biological determination when establishing social policy. I don't think, for instance, that a biologically born male who chooses to identify as a woman, should be allowed to participate in women sports just because of their gender identity.

You bring up some delicate points, and we probably agree with one another. That is a far cry from the bigotry and idiocy that is on display that tries to deny the difference itself.

 

[Codpiece]

I have compassion for trans people but I cannot tolerate their baloney. It is a mental illness.

Right on. I think compassion involves an understanding of the truth.

Trans people are not and can never be what they want to be. Imagine having that confusion, then being given the hope that you can change in such a way, and then coming to the realisation that it was all nonsense, you’ve been deceived and can never attain what you wanted. Add to that you’ve probably invested significant money and potentially physically damaged yourself in ways that cannot be repaired. Or alternatively you feel like the transformation has been a success but are upset every time someone challenges your self perception or looks at you strangely or you perceive you’re being persecuted in some way. It’s a recipe for misery.

Compassion doesn’t mean affirmation. Compassion involves recognition that this is a genuine mental illness. To save others from this misery the most compassionate thing to do is speak truthfully, and pursue policies which protect people from going down this path.

 

[krelianx]

Well the studies you posted have in no way proven anything. They're just pseudo behavioral - normative horseshit vaguely gesturing at science while avoiding it almost completely. Nothing is pinned down when talking about the subject of the research, the only thing that is is the expected reaction to it.

But you're obviously too dumb to understand these supposed studies and just go ahead like a lemming screaming about shit it doesn't have a critical method of understanding.

Your entire argument is "my lesbian yoga teacher believes it and if you don't you're mean".

Grow up.

The studies I cited ranged from neuroscience, to psychology, to sociology. Did you even read?

I am very happy to revise my views if you can be specific, cite specific arguments from the literature, and tell me why they are wrong. Or point to me to literature that shows this.

All you're doing as of now is caricaturing a variety of sources provided from a huge cluster of scientific research as if it were all coming from behavioral psychology, and whatever 'normative' means in your narrative.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

The studies I cited ranged from neuroscience, to psychology, to sociology. Did you even read?

I am very happy to revise my views if you can be specific, cite specific arguments from the literature, and tell me why they are wrong. Or point to me to literature that shows this.

All you're doing as of now is caricaturing a variety of sources provided from a huge cluster of scientific research as if it were all coming from behavioral psychology, and whatever 'normative' means in your narrative.

you have posted no serious views. what's to refute?

 

[Fox by the Sea]

And I would agree with a separation in sports between biologically born males who are self-identifying women-females

there's no such thing as a self identifying woman.
You're either biologically one, or are mentally ill.
these two don't share a category.

 

[krelianx]

you have posted no serious views. what's to refute?

I cited an extensive report from the Yale School of Medicine, the World Health Organization, neuroscientific top peer-reviewed journals.

Why are these not serious? Where is the literature that shows the opposite of what I cited?

 

[krelianx]

there's no such thing as a self identifying woman.
You're either biologically one, or are mentally ill.
these two don't share a category.

That's a claim, not an argument. I can claim arbitrarily anything of the same format:

"There is no such thing as a division between cytoplasm and membrane."

You are right, though, that the two don't share a category. Gender and sex are not the same categories, and they are not the same. I cited literature that shows this.

Please, refer to me to any literature that indicates that the gender-sex distinction is scientifically not credible.