Garry won the fight but lost the war

[AndrewGolota48]

Garry is kind of like Leon Edwards 2.0, very good overall but his lack of finishing ability gives opponents a opportunity over 5 rounds. This was like Garry's version of the Nate Diaz fight.

And I think that liability may also be a problem for Garry in a similar way against a real grinder like Sean Brady, which is a style he hasn't had to face yet (Shavkat being the closest but that's not really how he fights).

But both of those guys are the type where they will beat anyone except the elite of the division.

 

[mjoln]

Another "they agreed to play chess and fighter X won....but what if they used fucking monopoly board?"

Garry face very tough top fighters. He would finish guys with lower rank.

 

[Blond]

Prates came somewhat close, but he didn't really keep the pressure going, and it did not look like that Garry was saved by the bell - he was well recovered by the time the fight ended

 

[GrantB13]

Just watched the fight and holy shit did Prates piss me off with zero awareness that Garry was a couple solid ground strikes from being finished. How do you not fight the whole 4.9 rounds and then the one opportunity you get you just let it slip away?

 

[Ayreon]

That's always a point people conveniently forget. If someone is really going to use the ludicrous logic of "street fights" (which is still stupid to do) then we're not looking at round 6, we're looking at the end of round 1. People hear "time limit" and they default to the final bell, instead of the first one.


There are shotguns on the street. Everyone is making fun of you, for good reason, and the fact you can't see that and call someone else a dumbass is hilarious

Don't be salty dude. Some of them agreed, some of them didn't.

 

[markys00]

Na, he won that too

 

[Cheese_&_mma_lover]

Prates won

round 4 and 5 were 10-8s.

they ended round 4 early when Garry was taking a beating. very SUS

 

[Pompey Junglist]

Garry is a talented and well rounded fighter, and he totally controlled Prates for the vast majority of the fight.

I just doubt he can get to the very top, as I don't see a killer instinct or USP. Maybe that's a bit harsh, given it was a short notice, five rounder against a dangerous opponent; but Garry has previous in this regard.

Ultimately I think he can give anyone in the division a competitive fight, even win the odd decision against the very best... but I don't see him finishing fights against the elite.

As for Prates, he got a lesson in fight IQ and has a long way to go.

 

[Skarsgard]

Pretty similar fight to Diaz vs Edwards. A hated favorite looking good against a fan favorite before barely surviving the fifth round almost comeback.

So, people are going to be stupid about this one, too?

 

[richardjohnson]

Garry is kind of like Leon Edwards 2.0, very good overall but his lack of finishing ability gives opponents a opportunity over 5 rounds. This was like Garry's version of the Nate Diaz fight.

And I think that liability may also be a problem for Garry in a similar way against a real grinder like Sean Brady, which is a style he hasn't had to face yet (Shavkat being the closest but that's not really how he fights).

But both of those guys are the type where they will beat anyone except the elite of the division.

I can see the comparison to Leon but I think getting wobbled by a 36 year old Nate Diaz is definitely a worse look than Prates cracking Garry there. Leon vs Nate was always supposed to be a one sided beat down, whereas a lot of fans picked Prates to beat Ian.

 

[AMAZINGUFC]

It's a strange feeling that leaves this fight. Ian won on the scorecards but in the street or with just another round he would surely have been killed.

Does this in any way diminish the value of his victory?

Pride rules

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Don't be salty dude. Some of them agreed, some of them didn't.

The thread title was created with salt, my guy. It's a dumb premise. The people who agree with the "streets" logic hold no value in their opinions.

 

[nostradumbass]

Ah those 25 minute street fights where one guy doesn't throw anything for the first 20 minutes.

 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

47-47

It was right there for the taking, if he couldn't find the finish then the draw was really close. Prates let himself down

 

[surgeyou1]

Yup. Just like the Diaz bros are undefeated in 6 round fights lol

 

[George Carlin]

I used to think this "on the streets" shit mattered. I started training when I was like 9, I never lost fights with people who don't train growing up. So I always viewed fights through the lens of who would have won with no time limit or ref... But later in life I'd be homeless living on the street for a few years, and the thing about that is you have to fight all the time it's not a choice.. lemme tell you, that kind of fighting is not the same kind of fighting you train for in the gym. It happens very quickly, usually you got setup to walk into a situation where the other dude/dudes have an extreme advantage, you're gonna have no idea you're about to fight and you're probably gunna be rocked before you know to fight back, if you start to win the guns and knives come out fast, your adrenaline is running in a life or death way you can't prepare for in the gym so you're only fighting to like 40% of your actual potential/skill level, you're almost guaranteed to get jumped mid fight....

What I'm saying is, this perfect hypothetical "if this was on the street with no rules" scenario just doesn't exist. I had to fight like 15 separate times out there across a bunch of different states and not once did I get anything remotely resembling the clean scenario you all talk about

 

[MigitAs]

He took the

I think so.

But I also think that his fighting IQ is WAY above the average. He fights in a very clever way. Look at those td attempt, he kept spamming just to gain minutes. And it worked.

The meaning of my thread is that tonight he was the better fighter but not the better warrior.

He knows the sport better than most, he is a skilled competitor/athlete. It’s impressive the way he has exploited the ruleset to win multiple decisions.

However, I don’t consider him a fighter or warrior.

 

[Hog-train]

I used to think this "on the streets" shit mattered. I started training when I was like 9, I never lost fights with people who don't train growing up. So I always viewed fights through the lens of who would have won with no time limit or ref... But later in life I'd be homeless living on the street for a few years, and the thing about that is you have to fight all the time it's not a choice.. lemme tell you, that kind of fighting is not the same kind of fighting you train for in the gym. It happens very quickly, usually you got setup to walk into a situation where the other dude/dudes have an extreme advantage, you're gonna have no idea you're about to fight and you're probably gunna be rocked before you know to fight back, if you start to win the guns and knives come out fast, your adrenaline is running in a life or death way you can't prepare for in the gym so you're only fighting to like 40% of your actual potential/skill level, you're almost guaranteed to get jumped mid fight....

What I'm saying is, this perfect hypothetical "if this was on the street with no rules" scenario just doesn't exist. I had to fight like 15 separate times out there across a bunch of different states and not once did I get anything remotely resembling the clean scenario you all talk about

Bro you're a world famous comedian and a legend. Why the heck did you end up on the streets? People would have helped you.

 

[George Carlin]

Bro you're a world famous comedian and a legend. Why the heck did you end up on the streets? People would have helped you.

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!"

 

[World eater]

Are you retarded?

Clearly, as I keep posting here and discussing things with mensa level scientists like yourself.