Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

Instead of having to twist the connector to secure it like in the pic you posted, they will either snap on magnetically and just plug in like Gigabyte version
Okay. But I'm still unclear. There are already USB and PCIe wireless adapters that plug into the rear I/O that have antennae protruding from them without the cord. So the magnetic connection (like Apple lightning connectors) is the innovation?

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Gotcha. A wireless extender. That's sort of a weird inclusion. I hadn't paid close enough attention to unboxings to know Logitech was packaging that with any of their wireless mice.

So you've been plugging your bluetooth adapter for the controller into that extender cable? No reason why not, I guess, if you want to get the transmitted closer to your controller, but I'd only do that if you were having issues plugging the USB transmitter directly into the motherboard. But yeah, my recommended troubleshoots are the same whether you do or you don't.

(1) Disable the onboard motherboard bluetooth.
(2) Download and use DS4Windows if your'e still having issues.

I had not, but I'm unclear. What exactly is it combining that isn't already combined?
Yes will try to see if this solves the issue. I would prefer to keep using the Dual Sense if possible since I prefer it over the Xbox Controller. Only issue that remains are the button prompts. For me it's not that big of a deal but for my 8 year old son it's really confusing. Maybe I'll buy an xbox like controller anyway just for him to use.

BTW any specific settings in DS4Windows I should look into? I have running it with as little changes to settings and profiles as possible but I don't know if that's the right way.
 
Yes will try to see if this solves the issue. I would prefer to keep using the Dual Sense if possible since I prefer it over the Xbox Controller. Only issue that remains are the button prompts. For me it's not that big of a deal but for my 8 year old son it's really confusing. Maybe I'll buy an xbox like controller anyway just for him to use.

BTW any specific settings in DS4Windows I should look into? I have running it with as little changes to settings and profiles as possible but I don't know if that's the right way.
Yeah, DS4Windows has been around forever, and is awesome. Super lightweight (doesn't add any processing load), super stable, constantly updated since it came out despite that it's free. All it does is make your PC see your Playstation controller as an Xinput controller. So it thinks the DS4 is an Xbox controller, effectively, at the driver level.

That means it will work like an Xbox controller with any software because that's how they see it (not just Steam, but Xbox, Epic, GOG Galaxy, Ubisoft, Battle.net, Rockstar, Indiegala, even games you install like one would install them 20 years ago without a launcher, etc).

*Edit* I don't know what it does by default when you install it, IIRC, it runs on boot, but if it doesn't, make sure it runs when your computer launches so that it's always on. You can check that in task manager under "Startup Apps". Like I said, it's impact load is very low, so it's no issue just to run 24/7.
 
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Post links to 2020 for me but RTX 40 sales were very soft after launch. They didn't surpass RTX 30 until less than a year ago. But that's down to RTX 30 excess in the channel, not AMD. AMD's best selling SKU in several years is the 6700 due to a strong position at Walmart and some CPU discounts.
Yeah that’s because he’s probably not being honest about it. I think I remember this argument he’s talking about. Some posters in here, me included, were delighting in the scalpers seemingly buying up a bunch of the new 40 cards and not being able to move them at marked up prices. The 40 series cards were obviously not as popular as the 30 series cards. No one that follows the market even peripherally would think that.

I am willing to bet that literally no one in this forum said that n India wouldn’t be fine. Everyone know that gpus are a side hustle for them these days. That’s another one of his MOs where he tries to be subtle and rephrase the argument. Oh well
 
A 1m-2m long extension cable for a wireless mouse? I'm totally lost. Wireless mice come with a USB adapter (usually the size of a modern thumb drive) that plugs into the computer. Why would the adapter need a cable?

Antenna on such USB dongle devices is quite small. They dont deal well with obstructions and distance. Ideally you want them to be in direct line of sight. While avoiding signal sheering by passing through solid objects at non 90 degree angles. Introducing a human body part obstacle even as small as your pinky finger will drastically disrupt the signal strength. Human body is a great insulator against wireless signals.
 
Antenna on such USB dongle devices is quite small. They dont deal well with obstructions and distance. Ideally you want them to be in direct line of sight. While avoiding signal sheering by passing through solid objects at non 90 degree angles. Introducing a human body part obstacle even as small as your pinky finger will drastically disrupt the signal strength. Human body is a great insulator against wireless signals.
I remember looking at data of real-world measurements of the impact to bandwidth years ago, and when the receiving device was less than 10 feet away, the impact was quite small, even when there objects (like a computer case) placed between the transmitting and receiving device. Obviously larger and more solid objects had a large impact, like walls, but I don't think we're dealing with walls, here. Of course, those measurements focused on bandwidth, not latency, or microstutters of the signal connection that are the kind that would produce lag spikes. The tests I looked at were also focused on 2.4GHz and 5GHz signals, not bluetooth signals. And they were focused on devices with protrusive antennae, not the USB thumb-sized devices.

Ideally, yes, I get it, it's nice to have the extra cord so you can position the little bugger on the top of your case, or a shelf, anywhere to give it that direct LoS.
Yeah that’s because he’s probably not being honest about it. I think I remember this argument he’s talking about. Some posters in here, me included, were delighting in the scalpers seemingly buying up a bunch of the new 40 cards and not being able to move them at marked up prices. The 40 series cards were obviously not as popular as the 30 series cards. No one that follows the market even peripherally would think that.

I am willing to bet that literally no one in this forum said that n India wouldn’t be fine. Everyone know that gpus are a side hustle for them these days. That’s another one of his MOs where he tries to be subtle and rephrase the argument. Oh well
I directly linked the posts, LOL.

We waited. We saw. You were wrong. I was right.
 
I directly linked the posts, LOL.

We waited. We saw. You were wrong. I was right.
Yeah that’s because he’s probably not being honest about it. I think I remember this argument he’s talking about. Some posters in here, me included, were delighting in the scalpers seemingly buying up a bunch of the new 40 cards and not being able to move them at marked up prices. The 40 series cards were obviously not as popular as the 30 series cards. No one that follows the market even peripherally would think that.

I am willing to bet that literally no one in this forum said that n India wouldn’t be fine. Everyone know that gpus are a side hustle for them these days. That’s another one of his MOs where he tries to be subtle and rephrase the argument. Oh well
Lol yeah I have no real context on what you guys were disagreeing on 4 years ago or now. Like I said, RTX 40 underperformed compared to RTX 30 for about the first year, which waa partly expected. System integrators were late to take on new GPUs and they are by far the largest conduit of dGPUs, more than OEMs or DIY or scalpers.

Having said that, AMD got crushed regardless, the underperformce was vs historical, not competitors.

Honestly so many internet discussions of GPUs would be shorter if people saw Circana or GFK data. But alas that data is wildly expensive.
 
Have you seen the new Wi-FI connectors that will be implemented by the motherboard vendors for the upcoming X870 motherboards? Gigabyte for example will have a simple plug. Other vendors will have similar to the MSI but it will just be a magnetic snap-on.

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Unless they're using an off the shelf solution that's already available everywhere, it's dumb.
The current antenna attachment system has worked fine for years.
 
Of course, those measurements focused on bandwidth, not latency, or microstutters of the signal connection that are the kind that would produce lag spikes.

Signal strength isnt a sexy topic when it comes to Pc peripherals. Dont think ive seen any Pc hardware reviewer actually test it. Main culprit to why the Amazon cashier'less stores failed was lack of signal strength with their passive RFID tags at the shelf and turnstyle portals.
 
Unless they're using an off the shelf solution that's already available everywhere, it's dumb.
The current antenna attachment system has worked fine for years.

Problem is the antennas are semi-blocking other connection ports and said antennas arent located in a ideal position for each use case.
 
Unless they're using an off the shelf solution that's already available everywhere, it's dumb.
The current antenna attachment system has worked fine for years.
Problem is the antennas are semi-blocking other connection ports and said antennas arent located in a ideal position for each use case.
I think I should have specified, this is for the built in Wi-Fi on the motherboards not the add-on Wi-Fi cards.
 
Problem is the antennas are semi-blocking other connection ports and said antennas arent located in a ideal position for each use case.
What ports is it blocking?


I think I should have specified, this is for the built in Wi-Fi on the motherboards not the add-on Wi-Fi cards.

I get what they're doing, I just don't see the point.
 
What ports is it blocking?

Antenna connection point is typically allocated at the base of the I/O. So when connected the antenna doesnt exceed case height. At this location cable management of other connected devices at the I/O are hitting the antennas.

While bluetooth and wifi are nice motherboard standardization features for select users. Implementation of the wifi antennas wasnt well thought out.
 
Antenna connection point is typically allocated at the base of the I/O. So when connected the antenna doesnt exceed case height. At this location cable management of other connected devices at the I/O are hitting the antennas.

While bluetooth and wifi are nice motherboard standardization features for select users. Implementation of the wifi antennas wasnt well thought out.

You realize those antena's rotate, rigth?

Is turning a nut really that difficult for people?
 
I have trouble using my game controllers.
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Just joking the kid is 16 an could have the largest hands an feet in the world wow. Looks like a midget controller.
 
You realize those antena's rotate, rigth?

Yeah, it was just implemented badly onto motherboards. Positioning of them isnt optimal for best wifi connection. Terms of quality of life improvements this one is meaningless to me but i still see its value.
 
Yeah, it was just implemented badly onto motherboards. Positioning of them isnt optimal for best wifi connection. Terms of quality of life improvements this one is meaningless to me but i still see its value.

This problem was solved years ago, though.

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You can pick up an antenna for a couple bucks off your chosen Chinese website. I don't get the advantage of going to a new connector. Does it allow faster speeds, or is there something else I'm missing?
 
Yeah, it was just implemented badly onto motherboards. Positioning of them isnt optimal for best wifi connection. Terms of quality of life improvements this one is meaningless to me but i still see its value.
MSI mobos have used the screw on antennas for years and it's not a problem having them in a wide V vs pointing straight up.
 
Does it allow faster speeds, or is there something else I'm missing?

Not for faster speeds. Being able to alter the location of the motherboard wifi antennas allows for the strongest connection possible to the wifi router. Adjusting their orientation at the base of the I/O doesnt really help in anyway.

Most things online operate under the TDP protocol. So a general wifi user wont notice the inherent 5-10% packet loss it has. Even those who game online over wifi dont notice it for most game developers use TDP and operate at around 32 tickrate.
 
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