Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

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Respect the honesty. For that reason i wont press further.


Regards to AMD(and even Intels) GPU pricing. Both priced their GPU's in relation to Nvidias price to performance. So im hesitant on believing AMD will be dropping prices moving forward.
 
The margins the lower you go are brutal, it's mostly about getting ISVs on board. And unfortunately it's going to be data center first, and consumer GPU a distant second. Not to mention the gap between iGPU and 3050 is getting narrower and narrowers.
Too add to this RDNA 4 was rumored to be a very small increase over rdna3, so small that somewhere even questioning that the 4mm Navi chips in the works weren't even predicted to beat the 7900xtx

The real question will be is this just a one off for this generation (no flagship just for RDNA4) or is this AMD pulls from the enthusiast for good. Huge difference between the two.
 
Too add to this RDNA 4 was rumored to be a very small increase over rdna3, so small that somewhere even questioning that the 4mm Navi chips in the works weren't even predicted to beat the 7900xtx

The real question will be is this just a one off for this generation (no flagship just for RDNA4) or is this AMD pulls from the enthusiast for good. Huge difference between the two.
It's the latter (or at least foreseeable future). You would not believe how badly RDNA3 did as far as actual sales numbers for prebuild desktops. Not to mention high end volume is so small, way smaller than gamers think.
 
It's the latter (or at least foreseeable future). You would not believe how badly RDNA3 did as far as actual sales numbers for prebuild desktops. Not to mention high end volume is so small, way smaller than gamers think.
Too add to this RDNA 4 was rumored to be a very small increase over rdna3, so small that somewhere even questioning that the 4mm Navi chips in the works weren't even predicted to beat the 7900xtx

The real question will be is this just a one off for this generation (no flagship just for RDNA4) or is this AMD pulls from the enthusiast for good. Huge difference between the two.
Regards to AMD(and even Intels) GPU pricing. Both priced their GPU's in relation to Nvidias price to performance. So im hesitant on believing AMD will be dropping prices moving forward.
It's rather ironic we're discussing this now because I was hounded by a few posters, one in particular, when I mocked the hysteria surrounding NVIDIA's inability to sell the RTX 4000 series, and ultimately made my position quite clear.
 
It's rather ironic we're discussing this now because I was hounded by a few posters, one in particular, when I mocked the hysteria surrounding NVIDIA's inability to sell the RTX 4000 series, and ultimately made my position quite clear.
Post links to 2020 for me but RTX 40 sales were very soft after launch. They didn't surpass RTX 30 until less than a year ago. But that's down to RTX 30 excess in the channel, not AMD. AMD's best selling SKU in several years is the 6700 due to a strong position at Walmart and some CPU discounts.
 
Post links to 2020 for me but RTX 40 sales were very soft after launch. They didn't surpass RTX 30 until less than a year ago. But that's down to RTX 30 excess in the channel, not AMD. AMD's best selling SKU in several years is the 6700 due to a strong position at Walmart and some CPU discounts.
As I said then...NVIDIA is doing just fine.
 
Nvidia as a whole yes, great Consumer GPU segment, so so in terms of growth even though share of TAM is great.
Yes, that would be the home to the RTX 4000 series. Market share is great. Exactly as I predicted.
 
Anyone got advice for using a controller with a PC?
Got back into PC gaming about a year ago but I still prefer to play single player action games and fps with a controller.
I have been using a dual sense until now but I have some issues with the connection every now and then and most games show xbox style button prompts.
Should I try an USB extension cable with a separate Bluetooth dongle or should I try another controller with Xbox button layout like an Xbox series controller or an 8bitdo ultimate?
 
Anyone got advice for using a controller with a PC?
Got back into PC gaming about a year ago but I still prefer to play single player action games and fps with a controller.
I have been using a dual sense until now but I have some issues with the connection every now and then and most games show xbox style button prompts.
Should I try an USB extension cable with a separate Bluetooth dongle or should I try another controller with Xbox button layout like an Xbox series controller or an 8bitdo ultimate?
Why would you use a bluetooth dongle if you are connecting the controller to the PC with a USB cable? You resort to hardwiring if bluetooth is giving you issues, or if you want to minimize latency (something competitive online gamers usually desire, and your Dualsense has among the lowest latency of all measured controllers on PC).

Have you tried using DS4Windows to resolve your stability issues?
 
Anyone got advice for using a controller with a PC?
Got back into PC gaming about a year ago but I still prefer to play single player action games and fps with a controller.
I have been using a dual sense until now but I have some issues with the connection every now and then and most games show xbox style button prompts.
Should I try an USB extension cable with a separate Bluetooth dongle or should I try another controller with Xbox button layout like an Xbox series controller or an 8bitdo ultimate?
Are you playing on steam? I use a PS4 controller with a wireless adapter and it works great on every game. I know Xbox controllers are pretty much the standard on PC though since it is a simple plug and play.
 
Why would you use a bluetooth dongle if you are connecting the controller to the PC with a USB cable? You resort to hardwiring if bluetooth is giving you issues, or if you want to minimize latency (something competitive online gamers usually desire, and your Dualsense has among the lowest latency of all measured controllers on PC).

Have you tried using DS4Windows to resolve your stability issues?
Just to be clear. I connect the dual sense via Bluetooth and I play from my couch.

What I mean with usb extension cable are those 1-2 meter long USB adapters you get with logitech gaming mouses for example.

To that I would then add a separate Bluetooth dongle so I can create some space between the Bluetooth adapter and the computer and put in line of sight of the dual sense. I heard that using the internal Bluetooth on the motherboard can give some issues.

I use ds4windows right now and mostly it works fine but sometimes the connection goes crazy for some reason. I will get huge input lag that will come and go for a while.
It happens often enough to be considered a nuisance.
 
Are you playing on steam? I use a PS4 controller with a wireless adapter and it works great on every game. I know Xbox controllers are pretty much the standard on PC though since it is a simple plug and play.
For some reason sony never bothered to make a wireless adapter for the dual sense.
 
Just to be clear. I connect the dual sense via Bluetooth and I play from my couch.

What I mean with usb extension cable are those 1-2 meter long USB adapters you get with logitech gaming mouses for example.

To that I would then add a separate Bluetooth dongle so I can create some space between the Bluetooth adapter and the computer and put in line of sight of the dual sense. I heard that using the internal Bluetooth on the motherboard can give some issues.

I use ds4windows right now and mostly it works fine but sometimes the connection goes crazy for some reason. I will get huge input lag that will come and go for a while.
It happens often enough to be considered a nuisance.
A 1m-2m long extension cable for a wireless mouse? I'm totally lost. Wireless mice come with a USB adapter (usually the size of a modern thumb drive) that plugs into the computer. Why would the adapter need a cable? That USB adapter is what communicates with the controller. It has a wireless transmitted built into it. Using this is preferable to bluetooth because there is a lower latency, and a stronger broadcast signal. The downside is it drains the battery of the connecting device-- the mouse or in this case the controller-- faster than bluetooth because the protocol consumes more power. This is what those look like-- you can see it plugged into the laptop below:
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It sounds like you're connecting a (second) bluetooth adapter to talk to the controller. I say "second" because what you wrote indicates there is already a bluetooth transmitter built into your motherboard. So this second adapter has a cord in order that you can position it somewhere where it has a better line of sight with the controller, or just closer to the controller. Is that right? That's a nice perk for Bluetooth since, in my experience, just a few objects between the bluetooth transmitter and the bluetooth receiving device (the controller) can cause intermittent lag spikes. However, most who opt for this are people whose motherboard doesn't come with bluetooth capability by default. It could be what is happening is that you're creating issues because the computer is confused, and keeps switching between the transmitter device talking to the controller: the motherboard's or the USB adapter's.

So if you're using a USB bluetooth adapter like that, make sure that you disable your motherboard's native bluetooth device in your Device Manager. Maybe that isn't what's causing issues, but it can't hurt to do that. You just want to use one bluetooth transmitter.
 
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A 1m-2m long extension cable for a wireless mouse? I'm totally lost. Wireless mice come with a USB adapter (usually the size of a modern thumb drive) that plugs into the computer. Why would the adapter need a cable? That USB adapter is what communicates with the controller. It has a wireless transmitted built into it. Using this is preferable to bluetooth because there is a lower latency, and a stronger broadcast signal. The downside is it drains the battery of the connecting device-- the mouse or in this case the controller-- faster than bluetooth because the protocol consumes more power. This is what those look like-- you can see it plugged into the laptop below:


maybe he's just trying to get his bluetooth dongle closer to where he's gaming from because of connectivity issues or whatever.

i just use xbox controllers and the microsoft wireless usb adapter. never had a problem. but sometimes bluetooth can get wonky and controllers will randomly lose connection and shit. especially if the bluetooth receiver is a good distance away.
 
maybe he's just trying to get his bluetooth dongle closer to where he's gaming from because of connectivity issues or whatever.

i just use xbox controllers and the microsoft wireless usb adapter. never had a problem. but sometimes bluetooth can get wonky and controllers will randomly lose connection and shit. especially if the bluetooth receiver is a good distance away.
Yeah, I came to the same conclusion in my second paragraph.

I didn't realize they made standalone bluetooth adapters in this form factor. I was more used to seeing it with some of the add-in WiFi network cards; usually the ones that are PCIe cards, and the cord attaches to a more robust antennae that puts out a higher gain for the network. Although maybe that's what he's using, some of those combine bluetooth with the WiFi. Didn't realize there were bluetooth-only USB adapters like this. Example:
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In my experience, the Playstation controllers work flawlessly, but I haven't bought a Dualsense, I've just used some of my DS4 controllers from my PS4. I still use DS4Windows, but I don't need it if the game I'm playing is on Steam or the Xbox app. I'll have to try it with an Epic game. I'm M+K for most games by default, obviously.

Nevertheless, the Xbox controllers are the best option, Microsoft builds them specifically for Windows/gaming integration, now, and they're Xinput by default on top of that. Best of all is if you get the old 2.4GHz adapter. Unfortunately, they seem to have stopped making that device because the newest Xbox controllers all have bluetooth built into the controller natively, but that's sucks because fuck bluetooth. But there are still some
third party sellers that sell it new-- allegedly new, anyway. I'm kind of skeptical since the Microsoft store itself hasn't had them in stock for years.
 
Yeah, I came to the same conclusion in my second paragraph.

I didn't realize they made standalone bluetooth adapters in this form factor. I was more used to seeing it with some of the add-in WiFi network cards; usually the ones that are PCIe cards, and the cord attaches to a more robust antennae that puts out a higher gain for the network. Although maybe that's what he's using, some of those combine bluetooth with the WiFi. Didn't realize there were bluetooth-only USB adapters like this. Example:
81aQGDHx7uL._AC_SL1500_.jpg


In my experience, the Playstation controllers work flawlessly, but I haven't bought a Dualsense, I've just used some of my DS4 controllers from my PS4. I still use DS4Windows, but I don't need it if the game I'm playing is on Steam or the Xbox app. I'll have to try it with an Epic game. I'm M+K for most games by default, obviously.

Nevertheless, the Xbox controllers are the best option, Microsoft builds them specifically for Windows/gaming integration, now, and they're Xinput by default on top of that. Best of all is if you get the old 2.4GHz adapter. Unfortunately, they seem to have stopped making that device because the newest Xbox controllers all have bluetooth built into the controller natively, but that's sucks because fuck bluetooth. But there are still some
third party sellers that sell it new-- allegedly new, anyway. I'm kind of skeptical since the Microsoft store itself hasn't had them in stock for years.
Have you seen the new Wi-FI connectors that will be implemented by the motherboard vendors for the upcoming X870 motherboards? Gigabyte for example will have a simple plug. Other vendors will have similar to the MSI but it will just be a magnetic snap-on.

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A 1m-2m long extension cable for a wireless mouse? I'm totally lost. Wireless mice come with a USB adapter (usually the size of a modern thumb drive) that plugs into the computer. Why would the adapter need a cable? That USB adapter is what communicates with the controller. It has a wireless transmitted built into it. Using this is preferable to bluetooth because there is a lower latency, and a stronger broadcast signal. The downside is it drains the battery of the connecting device-- the mouse or in this case the controller-- faster than bluetooth because the protocol consumes more power. This is what those look like-- you can see it plugged into the laptop below:
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It sounds like you're connecting a (second) bluetooth adapter to talk to the controller. I say "second" because what you wrote indicates there is already a bluetooth transmitter built into your motherboard. So this second adapter has a cord in order that you can position it somewhere where it has a better line of sight with the controller, or just closer to the controller. Is that right? That's a nice perk for Bluetooth since, in my experience, just a few objects between the bluetooth transmitter and the bluetooth receiving device (the controller) can cause intermittent lag spikes. However, most who opt for this are people whose motherboard doesn't come with bluetooth capability by default. It could be what is happening is that you're creating issues because the computer is confused, and keeps switching between the transmitter device talking to the controller: the motherboard's or the USB adapter's.

So if you're using a USB bluetooth adapter like that, make sure that you disable your motherboard's native bluetooth device in your Device Manager. Maybe that isn't what's causing issues, but it can't hurt to do that. You just want to use one bluetooth transmitter.
My mouse came with a cable to put the USB dongle in. I have a Logitech g305:
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It's the cable on the left where the USB dongle is connected to in so it can be placed easier in line of sight.
So my idea is to do something something similar with a Bluetooth dongle.

And yes, I will disable the Bluetooth receiver on the motherboard when using an external one.
 
My mouse came with a cable to put the USB dongle in. I have a Logitech g305:
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It's the cable on the left where the USB dongle is connected to in so it can be placed easier in line of sight.
So my idea is to do something something similar with a Bluetooth dongle.

And yes, I will disable the Bluetooth receiver on the motherboard when using an external one.
Gotcha. A wireless extender. That's sort of a weird inclusion. I hadn't paid close enough attention to unboxings to know Logitech was packaging that with any of their wireless mice.

So you've been plugging your bluetooth adapter for the controller into that extender cable? No reason why not, I guess, if you want to get the transmitted closer to your controller, but I'd only do that if you were having issues plugging the USB transmitter directly into the motherboard. But yeah, my recommended troubleshoots are the same whether you do or you don't.

(1) Disable the onboard motherboard bluetooth.
(2) Download and use DS4Windows if your'e still having issues.
Have you seen the new Wi-FI connectors that will be implemented by the motherboard vendors for the upcoming X870 motherboards? Gigabyte for example will have a simple plug. Other vendors will have similar to the MSI but it will just be a magnetic snap-on.

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I had not, but I'm unclear. What exactly is it combining that isn't already combined?
 
Gotcha. A wireless extender. That's sort of a weird inclusion. I hadn't paid close enough attention to unboxings to know Logitech was packaging that with any of their wireless mice.

So you've been plugging your bluetooth adapter for the controller into that extender cable? No reason why not, I guess, if you want to get the transmitted closer to your controller, but I'd only do that if you were having issues plugging the USB transmitter directly into the motherboard. But yeah, my recommended troubleshoots are the same whether you do or you don't.

(1) Disable the onboard motherboard bluetooth.
(2) Download and use DS4Windows if your'e still having issues.

I had not, but I'm unclear. What exactly is it combining that isn't already combined?
Instead of having to twist the connector to secure it like in the pic you posted, they will either snap on magnetically and just plug in like Gigabyte version
 
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