Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

[Madmick]

Zen 4's official livestream will take place at 7PM EST on AMD's YouTube channel later today, but it looks like prices for the new chips has already leaked.
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7000...us-ryzen-7-7700x-449-us-ryzen-5-7600x-299-us/

If accurate it means AMD will have maintained their previous gen's prices with a 6-core chip starting at $300. That's a fairly proud position for AMD to adopt when Intel's i5-12400F has been selling for $150-$180 over the past four months from the major retailers.

 

[560ti]

If accurate it means AMD will have maintained their previous gen's prices with a 6-core chip starting at $300. That's a fairly proud position for AMD to adopt when Intel's i5-12400F has been selling for $150-$180 over the past four months from the major retailers.

Yeah that could potentially be a really tough sell given 12600/12600k are most likely seeing a price cut to $200-220 in October when Raptor Lake launches, DDR5 prices are much better but still high (and could go back up in price once they start selling again), and right at launch the cheapest X670 that has been announced so far is like $260.

Probably the biggest take-away from this show will be when will B boards actually come out. Alot of rumors the last month have been saying the manufactuers believe it won't be more then 3-5 weeks after launch which hasn't historically been the norm for B boards but it would make sense from an early adoption standpoint (Ram and CPU prices are already working against the board partners, not ideal to add inflated board prices ontop of that)

 

[PEB]

Busy working on my new updated simulator. Got a 12th Gen i9, RTX 3090ti, HTC VIVE Pro 2 headset, 49 inch cuved display, Corsair HX1200 psu, 32 gigs of DDR4 memory an 2 terabytes of M.2 storage. Waiting for the new case to come in and various odds and ends. Waiting for my case, memory. M.2 and ASUS motherboard.

 

[Madmick]

Yeah that could potentially be a really tough sell given 12600/12600k are most likely seeing a price cut to $200-220 in October when Raptor Lake launches, DDR5 prices are much better but still high (and could go back up in price once they start selling again), and right at launch the cheapest X670 that has been announced so far is like $260.

Probably the biggest take-away from this show will be when will B boards actually come out. Alot of rumors the last month have been saying the manufactuers believe it won't be more then 3-5 weeks after launch which hasn't historically been the norm for B boards but it would make sense from an early adoption standpoint (Ram and CPU prices are already working against the board partners, not ideal to add inflated board prices ontop of that)

That's one of the reasons I was surprised they weren't a bit more aggressive with the pricing. As I just went over in the other thread, against Alder Lake, the appeal of Zen 3 since it crashed in price is that the LGA 1700 DDR5 motherboards for Alder Lake with their more advanced component support void the CPUs' value supremacy on the pricing of the motherboards & their associated components. One shouldn't expect that to be the case with the new AMD motherboards because they'll draw from those same parts assemblies supporting the more expensive components, and requiring them.

I guess AMD is thinking Zen 3 will stay relevant for budget builders. Seems a solid enough strategy.

Because I was expecting a cache hike, after how impressively cache alone improved the performance of the 5800X with the 5800X3D, but we're not seeing that. The 7600X & 7700X will come with the same 32MB of L3 cache as the 5600X & 5800X; only doubling the L2 cache from 3MB to 6MB, and from 4MB to 8MB, respectively. But the frequency boosts on paper are enormous, so maybe these Zen 4 CPUs are just going to shit on Alder Lake so badly, anyway, that nobody will care. I mean, they're going from 4.7GHz to 5.4GHz for the turbo on the Ryzen 7, and from 4.6GHz to 5.3GHz on the Ryzen 5.

 

[jefferz]

That's one of the reasons I was surprised they weren't a bit more aggressive with the pricing. As I just went over in the other thread, against Alder Lake, the appeal of Zen 3 since it crashed in price is that the LGA 1700 DDR5 motherboards for Alder Lake with their more advanced component support void the CPUs' value supremacy on the pricing of the motherboards & their associated components. One shouldn't expect that to be the case with the new AMD motherboards because they'll draw from those same parts assemblies supporting the more expensive components, and requiring them.

I guess AMD is thinking Zen 3 will stay relevant for budget builders. Seems a solid enough strategy.

Because I was expecting a cache hike, after how impressively cache alone improved the performance of the 5800X with the 5800X3D, but we're not seeing that. The 7600X & 7700X will come with the same 32MB of L3 cache as the 5600X & 5800X; only doubling the L2 cache from 3MB to 6MB, and from 4MB to 8MB, respectively. But the frequency boosts on paper are enormous, so maybe these Zen 4 CPUs are just going to shit on Alder Lake so badly, anyway, that nobody will care. I mean, they're going from 4.7GHz to 5.4GHz for the turbo on the Ryzen 7, and from 4.6GHz to 5.3GHz on the Ryzen 5.

Ryzen prices usually drop after a while. The 5600x was $300 at launch, but it's now $200. The 5800x was $440 at launch, but dropped to $330 ($245 on sale right now on Amazon). The 3000 series had a price drop, as did the 1000 series. Not sure about the 2000 series, I didn't pay attention at the time.

 

[Madmick]

CPU prices always drop with time as they're in production. I fail to see what is relevant to the MSRP about such an obvious observation. The question is when, by how much, and from what starting point. Analysis of that offers insight into the why, and vice versa.

 

[PEB]

Everything seems to be dropping like a stone motherboards, CPU's, GPU's, storage and memory. It's freaking hard not to jump on some of this stuff only to see it drop another 50 next week lol. The only things seem to be holding fast is cases and various CPU coolers. The great crypto crash is a thing people and is a win for people looking to scavenge deals.

 

[jefferz]

CPU prices always drop with time as they're in production. I fail to see what is relevant to the MSRP about such an obvious observation. The question is when, by how much, and from what starting point. Analysis of that offers insight into the why, and vice versa.

The point of the post was to point out not to buy Ryzen products at launch. I figured most people would be able to figure that out from the post, but I guess I was wrong. I forget in these threads that we must not stray from your line of thinking.

 

[PEB]

The point of the post was to point out not to buy Ryzen products at launch. I figured most people would be able to figure that out from the post, but I guess I was wrong. I forget in these threads that we must not stray from your line of thinking.

This is why my stuff is like a generation behind but still can run the chips coming out people should realize as the early adopters jump on the newest things especially seems like everyone has a Youtube channel now and the first to put up a review wins I guess lol. I like to wait to because I want to see the problems people run into not to have to walk on these problems. Still do sometimes but there is usually already enough people have already experienced it and are will to share the fix.

 

[560ti]

The point of the post was to point out not to buy Ryzen products at launch. I figured most people would be able to figure that out from the post, but I guess I was wrong. I forget in these threads that we must not stray from your line of thinking.

You both are squabbling about two different things.

He was basically saying that they were overpriced originally for the 5600x and that if they were going to do that high price in back-to-back generations (especially with alderlake and am4 processors currently well priced right now) then they better have the goods to back it up or sales won't be that great

Turns out the rumors of B boards coming out in October were true (which is huge, last generation it was 7 months after launch before you could buy one) performance wise its looking like it will offer better gaming performance than the current i9 which most people weren't expecting that high of performance.

Given those two things the price sounds more realistic, unless raptor lake is absolute voodoo magic the 7600x probably doesn't see anything less than $250 until zen 5 (the 3d variant refresh of Zen 4 I think they reserved for the 7800 and higher so it won't affect the prices of sub 300)

 

[Madmick]

You both are squabbling about two different things.

He was basically saying that they were overpriced originally for the 5600x and that if they were going to do that high price in back-to-back generations (especially with alderlake and am4 processors currently well priced right now) then they better have the goods to back it up or sales won't be that great

Precisely. That's why I was so confused by the response. It bore no relevance to the preoccupation of my comment. Intel's budget lineup when Zen 3 dropped was pitiful. Not the case, here, and Alder Lake already supports the later standards some might find attractive like DDR5 and PCIe 5.0.

Turns out the rumors of B boards coming out in October were true (which is huge, last generation it was 7 months after launch before you could buy one) performance wise its looking like it will offer better gaming performance than the current i9 which most people weren't expecting that high of performance.

Given those two things the price sounds more realistic, unless raptor lake is absolute voodoo magic the 7600x probably doesn't see anything less than $250 until zen 5 (the 3d variant refresh of Zen 4 I think they reserved for the 7800 and higher so it won't affect the prices of sub 300)

Perhaps, but I'm less optimistic AMD will be able to price the B-boards as aggressively as they have in the past with the need to support DDR5 and PCIe 5.0. And the unattractive premium of DDR5 might drive off practical budget builders targeting >$1200 total cost who might opt for DDR4 Alder Lake, or even Zen 3.

 

[PEB]

You both are squabbling about two different things.

He was basically saying that they were overpriced originally for the 5600x and that if they were going to do that high price in back-to-back generations (especially with alderlake and am4 processors currently well priced right now) then they better have the goods to back it up or sales won't be that great

Turns out the rumors of B boards coming out in October were true (which is huge, last generation it was 7 months after launch before you could buy one) performance wise its looking like it will offer better gaming performance than the current i9 which most people weren't expecting that high of performance.

Given those two things the price sounds more realistic, unless raptor lake is absolute voodoo magic the 7600x probably doesn't see anything less than $250 until zen 5 (the 3d variant refresh of Zen 4 I think they reserved for the 7800 and higher so it won't affect the prices of sub 300)

l really have to say what have we had in the last 6 or so years resembling a total game changer? Intel it was Core 2 and AMD it was when the dropped the bulldozer and went with Zen hardware and Intel switch to tiger lake are mostly modifications to Core microarchitectures. We will see likely real changes when they switch to chiplet design and both AMD and Intel are working on completely new microarchitectures to address the need to increase bus performance. Ether way Intel and AMD should have relative parity with this next generation chips with only around 3 to 5 percent difference. It will then come down to price.

 

[Madmick]

Normally I don't post about mice, but when the bestselling gaming mouse in existence finally gets a revision, I do. The most significant change, and the most expected, was to lighten the weight some since ultralight mice have become all the rage:
Logitech's G502X modernizes its bestselling gaming mouse

Logitech has refreshed its iconic gaming mouse, the G502, with lighter materials and new features while mostly keeping its design. The new lineup is called the G502X, and it comes in a wired version, a base wireless form and another wired*[sic] option with RGB lighting. Logitech used thin-wall exoskeleton and a lighter scroll wheel to reduce the wired mouse's weight to 89 grams. It also used an updated version of its proprietary Lightspeed wireless protocol to ensure that its wireless versions have a 68 percent faster response rate than the previous generation's...

The Plus wireless variant of the G502X has all the features the Lightspeed model offers, but it also comes equipped with a flowing 8-LED lighting strip that you can customize with effects and personalizations through the G Hub software.

*Engadget's typo, the "Plus" variant is wireless.

MMORPG gives a much more in-depth review.
https://www.mmorpg.com/hardware-reviews/logitech-g502x-plus-review-2000125979

While the shape and design are unmistakable “G502” there are some important upgrades this time around, and it’s safe to say these are wholesale improvements. The biggest of these is easily new switches. While prior models have all used mechanical switches under the left and right buttons, the G502X uses a unique Lightforce Hybrid Switch.

The Lightforce Hybrids are particularly interesting because they blend optical responsiveness with mechanical clicks. Optical switches are inherently faster due to their lack of electrical contacts and offer improved durability over their lifespan (eliminating the chance of random double-clicking as the switch wears out). In speaking with Logitech ahead of this review, they shared that they were unsatisfied with their tactility and sound. To address this, the new switches add “galvanic contact parts” to the switch mechanism, so you can still experience a crisp satisfying click.

I’m not sure I agree that optical switches are less satisfying, but I will agree that Logitech’s mice have long held the crown for satisfying clicks. It makes sense that continuing that trend would be a priority for them, and I’m pleased to say that they’ve succeeded here. While there is a slightly different in the feel and pitch of the switches compared to the G502 Lightspeed, they’re very crisp and pleasant to use.

About the "hyperfast" scroll wheel:

Unlike most middle mouse wheels, the G502X puts its scroll wheel on a bearing. With the press of a button, you can switch from normal motion to a free spin that will scroll webpages and spreadsheets with incredible speed. This year’s version has been reduced in weight for even better glide. It’s a PC gamer’s fidget spinner and is glorious. Once you’ve gotten used to it, you’ll wish every mouse had one, and that’s not an exaggeration.

Logitech G502X (89g): $79.99
Logitech G502X Lightspeed (102g): $139.99
Logitech G502X Plus (106g): $159.99

Key Features:

• Lightforce Hybrid Mechanical/Optical Switch (mechanical clicks, low optical latency)
• LIGHTSPEED wireless technology [in the wireless Lightspeed/Plus variants]
• Hyperfast Scroll Wheel
• DPI Shift Button
• 5 onboard memory profiles (2 by default; up to 5 by using Logitech G HUB software)
• Low-friction PTFE Glide Feet
• 13 programmable controls
• USB-C charging port
• Black and White Colorways
  
• Tracking
  • Sensor: HERO 25K
  • Resolution: 100 – 25,600 DPI
  • Max. acceleration: > 40G2
  • Max. speed: > 400 IPS
  • Polling Rate: 1000Hz
  • Zero smoothing/acceleration/filtering

 

[My Spot]

I'm still content with my G300s.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Looks like im replacing my current G502 shortly : )

Not a big fan of RGB so i'll wait on more indepth videos. Current G502 the G lights up when in use and turns off when entering battery save mode or Powerplay charged the battery back to 89%(?). Looks like they added a small green LED above the scroll wheel as that indicator if you dont get the X Plus version.

Technically this would be the third revision of G502 by Logitech. Original G502, then the Hero sensor G502 and now this.

 

[Neph]

A little too gamery for me and I'm happy with my current mouse. If logitech re-release the white G600 I'd pick that up.

 

[PEB]

I imagine this could drop prices. This could turn into a war room post lol.

"
Hong Kong(CNN Business)Two of America's top chipmakers have been ordered to stop selling some of their technology to China that can be used for artificial intelligence.

Nvidia (NVDA) and AMD (AMD) said Wednesday that they had been told by the US government to halt exports of certain high-performance chips to the world's second largest economy.

In a regulatory filing, Nvidia said that it had been told by US officials that the requirement was due to a potential risk of the products being used by, or diverted to, a "military end user.""

 

[KaNesDeath]

Logitech website is now accepting pre-orders for the new G502 line.

 

[Prefect]

why are people fixated on CPUs when the GPU does all the heavy lifting on games? Did something change?

 

[Prefect]

just bought a 3070. finally.

thinking about getting a liquid CPU cooler, but I dont think I have room in my case

Microcenter has 3090 cards under 1k now. This is dropping like a rock.