Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

[KaNesDeath]

why are people fixated on CPUs when the GPU does all the heavy lifting on games? Did something change?

For the majority of the heavy lifting in todays games is done by the CPU. GPU for the most part handles graphical fidelity.

*Today its slowly getting closer to 1:1. For GPU makers are introducing compression technologies that game developers arent using in their titles to meet game deadline releases.

 

[MWB1982]

I was thinking about either getting a new Xbox or a gaming computer.

Another guy told me to get the computer and showed me a decent one to get and another guy told me to get the new Xbox

But I was wondering, if I get the computer, I can stream my games onto YouTube? Because I feel like streaming is something I want to do. I'm not looking to make any money or anything, my streams will be free.

Can the new Xbox stream? I got the Xbox One and I don't know of a way to stream other than buying a computer and a camera anyway and pointing it at the TV

As you can tell, I'm clueless on these issues.

 

[JBSchroeds]

I was thinking about either getting a new Xbox or a gaming computer.

Another guy told me to get the computer and showed me a decent one to get and another guy told me to get the new Xbox

But I was wondering, if I get the computer, I can stream my games onto YouTube? Because I feel like streaming is something I want to do. I'm not looking to make any money or anything, my streams will be free.

Can the new Xbox stream? I got the Xbox One and I don't know of a way to stream other than buying a computer and a camera anyway and pointing it at the TV

As you can tell, I'm clueless on these issues.

As far as I know you need a computer to stream, regardless of whether you're playing on a console or PC. If you want to play on console and stream from a PC you need to get a capture card to plug the console into (they typically have a passthrough so that you plug the console into the capture-card and the card's output goes to the TV). These can be internal PCIe cards or external USB devices. If you want to play and stream computer games then you need to have a PC with enough hardware muscle to be able to simultaneously play the game, run your streaming software, and encode your video. Also know that if the game freezes/crashes the computer your stream will go dead with it while you restart, which is why many professional streamers who run lots of computer games will have a two-PC setup: one that plays the game (just like it were a console) and one to run the stream.

 

[rikwebb]

As far as I know you need a computer to stream, regardless of whether you're playing on a console or PC. If you want to play on console and stream from a PC you need to get a capture card to plug the console into (they typically have a passthrough so that you plug the console into the capture-card and the card's output goes to the TV). These can be internal PCIe cards or external USB devices. If you want to play and stream computer games then you need to have a PC with enough hardware muscle to be able to simultaneously play the game, run your streaming software, and encode your video. Also know that if the game freezes/crashes the computer your stream will go dead with it while you restart, which is why many professional streamers who run lots of computer games will have a two-PC setup: one that plays the game (just like it were a console) and one to run the stream.

you can stream directly from the consoles to twitch/youtube but usually if you want your overlays and other features then yeah you'll need a pc aswell

 

[560ti]

why are people fixated on CPUs when the GPU does all the heavy lifting on games? Did something change?

Yeah the landscape has drastically changed in the last 10 years. 10 years ago Intel went on a half decade streak of re-releasing basically the same CPU over and over (literally no point in upgrading, no performance increase was really available), AMDs CPU weren't that good for gaming (and continued so for another 6 or 7 years), and the most popular monitors back then where capped at 60hz

Completely different landscape now. CPU's are not only progressing at a faster rate but the average monitor now is over 2x the re-fresh rate as back then (meaning you need a faster CPU) and there's alot of of more niche uses like VR and encoding that like the extra horsepower as well

 

[PEB]

"The statistics for Q2 of this year show Nvidia with a 79% market share, a chunky uptick of 4% compared to Q1, with AMD falling from 24% to 20% in the same period. Intel has the remaining 1% of the market with its new Arc discrete GPUs, so Team Blue is now making very slight inroads into the desktop graphics card scene."

 

[jefferz]

$290 for an entry level board?! Fuck off.

 

[Neph]

$290 for an entry level board?! Fuck off.

X670 & X670-E are not entry level, these are the top tier, flag shipmotherboards (X670-E in particular).
B650 are entry level though they may not be (readily) available immediately since they'll be targetting the 'must have' crowd who are prepared to pay big $$$ for the new shiny.

 

[jefferz]

X670 & X670-E are not entry level, these are the top tier, flag shipmotherboards (X670-E in particular).
B650 are entry level though they may not be (readily) available immediately since they'll be targetting the 'must get' crowd who are prepared to pay big $$$ for the new shiny.

You should have been able to put 2 and 2 together to figure out I meant entry level X670 boards.
And if you want to play that game, the B650 boards wouldn't be entry level, that would be the A620 boards.

 

[Neph]

You should have been able to put 2 and 2 together to figure out I meant entry level X670 boards.
And if you want to play that game, the B650 boards wouldn't be entry level, that would be the A620 boards.

Sorry I wasn't trying to play a game, I didn't know from your post. Thanks for the info on the A boards, what's the difference between them and the Bs?

 

[Madmick]

Oh, X670 starting at $290? B650 Micro-ATX motherboards rumored to start at $130?

That's one of the reasons I was surprised they weren't a bit more aggressive with the pricing. As I just went over in the other thread, against Alder Lake, the appeal of Zen 3 since it crashed in price is that the LGA 1700 DDR5 motherboards for Alder Lake with their more advanced component support void the CPUs' value supremacy due to the pricing of the motherboards & their associated components. One shouldn't expect that to be the case with the new AMD motherboards because they'll draw from those same parts assemblies supporting the more expensive components, and requiring them.

I guess AMD is thinking Zen 3 will stay relevant for budget builders. Seems a solid enough strategy.

Perhaps, but I'm less optimistic AMD will be able to price the B-boards as aggressively as they have in the past with the need to support DDR5 and PCIe 5.0. And the unattractive premium of DDR5 might drive off practical budget builders targeting >$1200 total cost who might opt for DDR4 Alder Lake, or even Zen 3.

They tipped their hand with the Zen 4 CPU pricing, and it makes sense. They're going to force Intel to fight for scraps against Zen 3 at the budget end.

 

[jefferz]

Sorry I wasn't trying to play a game, I didn't know from your post. Thanks for the info on the A boards, what's the difference between them and the Bs?

 

[My Spot]

Another thing I look for is whether it has at least two case fan headers. On the intel side the BX10s boards usually only have one while the BX60 boards usually have at least two with the HX70 and ZX90 having at least 3-4. I'm a cable nazi so I hate having to plug in a case fan to the PSU.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Another thing I look for is whether it has at least two case fan headers. On the intel side the BX10s boards usually only have one while the BX60 boards usually have at least two with the HX70 and ZX90 having at least 3-4. I'm a cable nazi so I hate having to plug in a case fan to the PSU.

Two ways around this. First is to use the AIO input near the cpu fan heatsink input to control one case fan and or use four pin splitters with system fan/AIO motherboard inputs.

**Fan control wise this shouldnt be a issue. For a person shouldnt be using multiple distinct fans as exhaust/intake with different fan curves.

 

[Luminosity]

$290 for an entry level board?! Fuck off.

I just bought that Meg x670e Ace for a build I am doing.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Got the new G502 X Lightspeed wireless in the mail Saturday. Because of work i could only install it last night with Powerplay. My impressions;



Mouse feet: Vastly better than the original G502's. Hard to know how they'll last long term. Out of the box its the least friction mouse feet of any logitech mouse ive had.

Weight: 5g difference is noticeable. Fantastic but not a game changer for those who prefer super lightweight mice.

Mouse clicks: Left and right have a distinct mechanical type feel to them. Where misclicks shouldnt be as frequent since it requires heavier interaction to engage.

DPI and Page Forward/Back buttons: DPI button is slightly more pronounced to the back of the mouse. Ive always reprogrammed it to be / keystroke which i use as jump for games. Page forward/back also protrudes away from the mouse more than the previous iterations. Change of texture here for your thumb rest area is better which will also make it easier to clean.


Final verdict, its definitely a step in the right direction for the mouse design.

 

[My Spot]

I think that's a $300 monitor.

 

[Nameless King]

Intel looks to bounce back into CPU market.

At the same time I am looking to get something new for myself along with ram. My 11 year old i7 3820 served me well, never had problems with it but its finally time to move on.

I will be looking to get 24 cores 13900k. Not sure how future proof this is going to be but I will be looking for something to serve me for another 10+ years.

Thoughts?

 

[Neph]

Nobody knows since neither it, nor its competitor, are out.

I'd definitely be keeping an eye on AMD which has been producing the leading CPU for years now.

 

[My Spot]

I'd definitely be keeping an eye on AMD which has been producing the leading CPU for years now.