Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

I mean I'm on a B450 board so that's my cap anyway.
You have too much to gain by waiting. Save that money.

We're on the precipice of the best time to upgrade to a new comp in 13 years. The next batch of motherboards:
  • First AMD motherboards that will support the upcoming Zen 4 processors (AM5) & first Intel motherboards that will support upcoming Alder Lake processors (LGA 1170).
    So not only will these enable usage of CPUs to which no current motherboard owners can upgrade, but they should also offer the upgrade potential for the greatest number of future generations of processors; meaning you'll be able to gain more from upgrading down-the-road than with any other motherboard generation in a socket's lifecycle
  • PCIe 5.0 slot
  • DDR5 RAM
  • USB 4.0
  • Thunderbolt 4: USB-C compatible offering 80 Gb/s bandwidth (that's 59% the bandwidth of DDR4-2133MHz RAM!!)
  • 5 Gb/s internet bandwidth support

Additionally, USB 3.2 front port headers and at least 3 x m.2 slots are becoming normalized even on lower-end boards. Recycled traditional 2.5" SATA SSDs are becoming the "slow" secondary storage/media drives.
 
Chinas ARM division is going rogue.

The problem with Amou Technology is that it is ARM China, ARM's rogue Chinese joint venture under Allen Wu. ARM China has rebranded itself under its rogue leader and intends to operate independently of ARM and create its own IP and products.
ARM has previously tried to oust Allen Wu from his position as CEO, but these attempts have failed so far. ARM has already cut off ARM China from its latest IP, but that's not stopping ARM China from creating its own China-focused future. ARM is currently unable to evert any control over its Chinese joint venture, and ARM employees have been forcefully blocked from entering ARM China. Now, ARM China is Amou Technologies, and this shift will re-write ARM's future.

ARM China, now Amou Technologies, has started creating their own IP, independent of ARM. Amou Technologies is now using ARM's IP as a baseline to create new semiconductor IP that will be used to benefit the Chinese market. As one Chinese source puts it, "On the one hand, it acts as an agent for Arm’s CPU IP, on the other hand. Insist on local self-research and launch self-developed core power XPU architecture IP (machine translated)."

Given the nature of ARM China's, now Amou Technology's, leadership and their lack of official authorisation from ARM, it is hard to see its actions as legitimate. ARM China has gone rogue, and it now serves China's interests. How the world will react to this is anyone's guess, as ARM China has effectively stolen some of the world's most valuable semiconductor IP. What's worse is that ARM has little power to stop it...

If nothing is done about Tmou Technology, ARM will have effectively lost the rights to its IP in China. This will have ramifications on Nvidia's attempted acquisition of ARM; any IPO plans that ARM may have on the cards; and what this means for Softbank, the current owners of ARM.

The world's powers are currently fighting for control of the semiconductor market, with the EU and US seeking to manufacture more high-end semiconductor products within their territories while China attempts to grow their own semiconductor market with independent IP.

ARM China's actions will have ramifications, but we can only guess what they will be at this time.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/arm_s_arm_china_problem_has_just_gotten_much_worse/1
 
CPU and GPU prices will rise. TSMC hiked the prices 10% on high-end processors, and 20% on the kind of stuff that goes into cars:
TSMC Hikes Price of Chip Production: CPU & GPU Costs Set to Rise
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Chinas ARM division is going rogue.

The problem with Amou Technology is that it is ARM China, ARM's rogue Chinese joint venture under Allen Wu. ARM China has rebranded itself under its rogue leader and intends to operate independently of ARM and create its own IP and products.
ARM has previously tried to oust Allen Wu from his position as CEO, but these attempts have failed so far. ARM has already cut off ARM China from its latest IP, but that's not stopping ARM China from creating its own China-focused future. ARM is currently unable to evert any control over its Chinese joint venture, and ARM employees have been forcefully blocked from entering ARM China. Now, ARM China is Amou Technologies, and this shift will re-write ARM's future.

ARM China, now Amou Technologies, has started creating their own IP, independent of ARM. Amou Technologies is now using ARM's IP as a baseline to create new semiconductor IP that will be used to benefit the Chinese market. As one Chinese source puts it, "On the one hand, it acts as an agent for Arm’s CPU IP, on the other hand. Insist on local self-research and launch self-developed core power XPU architecture IP (machine translated)."

Given the nature of ARM China's, now Amou Technology's, leadership and their lack of official authorisation from ARM, it is hard to see its actions as legitimate. ARM China has gone rogue, and it now serves China's interests. How the world will react to this is anyone's guess, as ARM China has effectively stolen some of the world's most valuable semiconductor IP. What's worse is that ARM has little power to stop it...

If nothing is done about Tmou Technology, ARM will have effectively lost the rights to its IP in China. This will have ramifications on Nvidia's attempted acquisition of ARM; any IPO plans that ARM may have on the cards; and what this means for Softbank, the current owners of ARM.

The world's powers are currently fighting for control of the semiconductor market, with the EU and US seeking to manufacture more high-end semiconductor products within their territories while China attempts to grow their own semiconductor market with independent IP.

ARM China's actions will have ramifications, but we can only guess what they will be at this time.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/arm_s_arm_china_problem_has_just_gotten_much_worse/1

get your security processing units... nothing to see here.

funny enough, i was going to make a separate thread about this. arm's ownership has always been a shitshow (softbank), it's hard to think it would go off the rails way worse after the nvidia buyout (attempt). even if unrelated.

another funny tidbit is that allen wu essentially sued himself as part of the wacky situation with arm attempting to remove him as ceo of the arm china.
 
The new product announcements by AMD and NVidia could be a resolute of Intel getting ready to launch many new products.


 
This is a good reason to have more foundry competition because as it stands TMSC pretty much own the space and can pretty much do what they want.
It's a clear indication that anyone building new manufacturing facilities right now is moving/expanding into the right business, and has sunny days ahead.
 
It's a clear indication that anyone building new manufacturing facilities right now is moving/expanding into the right business, and has sunny days ahead.

maybe. there's risk of them essentially having too much supply. not that it would be a huge problem... with the big 3 all trying to expand rapidly, there's a legit risk that they could have excess capacity in ~2026. if so, it would be interesting to see how it plays out, but it should be good for consumers, regardless.
 
You have too much to gain by waiting. Save that money.

We're on the precipice of the best time to upgrade to a new comp in 13 years. The next batch of motherboards:
  • First AMD motherboards that will support the upcoming Zen 4 processors (AM5) & first Intel motherboards that will support upcoming Alder Lake processors (LGA 1170).
    So not only will these enable usage of CPUs to which no current motherboard owners can upgrade, but they should also offer the upgrade potential for the greatest number of future generations of processor; meaning you'll be able to gain more from an upgrading than with any other motherboard generation
  • PCIe 5.0 slot
  • DDR5 RAM
  • USB 4.0
  • Thunderbolt 4: USB-C compatible offering 80 Gb/s bandwidth (that's 59% the bandwidth of DDR4-2133MHz RAM!!)
  • 5 Gb/s internet bandwidth support

Additionally, USB 3.2 front ports and at least 3 x m.2 slots are becoming normalized. Recycled traditional 2.5" SATA SSDs are becoming the "slow" secondary storage/media drives.

Fair enough. I did build a new rig last year though so I probably won't do anything until 2023ish when the new sockets become reasonable and the 6000 batch of Ryzen is available. I also only game, no workstation. This should last me until then:

B450 Tomahawk Max
Ryzen 5 3600
16gb 3200mhz RAM (8x2)
RTX 3080
1440P 144hz monitor
Two 1TB SSD's
 
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TSMC maybe moving a massive 5nm fab to the US due to China and the US government. 160 million dollar shipment to be setup in Arizona.

 
GPU prices arent going to drop this winter. Only way i see them doing so is if crypto craters.

Certain item i pick up every three months cost $35 pre-covid. Post-covid the price shot up $90. Today that item is again on very low supply like Spring of 2020 with a new price at $130.
 
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...e-sales-thread.3813773/page-77#post-165675262
Ryzen 7 5700G review: AMD's answer to the GPU shortage has arrived

This is dope because AMD is finally offering the vanguard of their highest end APUs on the open market, and specifically for traditional desktop motherboards.

So for any who wanted to splash into PC gaming, excited about building, but were waiting because the GPU prices are exorbitant, this could be a great bridge to hold you over. An unorthodox but attractive strategy one might consider would be to put this into a Micro-ATX or Mini-ITX SFF case that would mesh well in a home theater cabinet. That way, if or when GPU prices do come down, one could move this out into the living room to function as a gaming-class HTPC, and build an entirely new rig with a more powerful discrete GPU for the bedroom/gaming room. Alternatively, the CPU is extremely high performance, so you could just buy the discrete GPU, and add it to what you've already go with the 5700G inside of it. It's flexible that way.

After all, I don't think $359 is expensive at all for the 5700G. Just look at how it compares to the 5800X. This is an extraordinary value at MSRP:
https://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/659/AMD_Ryzen_7_5700G_vs_AMD_Ryzen_7_5800X.html
Techspot released an article today that is of particular interest because it bears on the above-- specifically the last part:
Making a Fast Quad-Core Gaming CPU
4 Cores vs. 6 Cores vs. 8 Cores + Cache Scaling

You see, if you follow that CPU world link, the most significant difference between the $359 R7-5700G and the $449 R7-5800X is the amount of L3 Cache. These processors are otherwise identical except that the R7-5800X comes with no onboard GPU, and is clocked +100MHz at stock. That's a tiny difference when the 5700G, which is $90 cheaper, otherwise adds a great deal of value with that highly capable Cezanne-based Vega 8 iGPU. The biggest difference as CPUs is clearly the 32MB vs. 16MB L3 Cache sizes.

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The answer? It's significant. 20MB vs. 12MB L3 Cache in their tests yields between 1%-12% improvements, and usually it's around 5%. However, notice that the incremental gains fall off above 16MB L3 Cache. While 20MB definitely adds some performance, there appears to be a diminishing return. I hypothesize this is because games don't make use of L3 cache above that as efficiently, and probably because that's very rare in CPUs right now.

In previous generations, especially with Intel, perhaps the prime remaining argument for the 5800X would be that it would overclock better for overclockers. The onboard GPU will tend to hold CPU overclocks back. But the Zen 2 & Zen 3 processors are notoriously poor overclockers. So the most robust remaining argument is epeen: the 5800X nets you the highest level of gaming performance possible.

In other words, that 16MB of L3 Cache in the 5800X is the most expensive in the world. It costs you $90 and an iGPU. Frankly, I don't see why anyone would buy the 5800X now that this 5700G is available (assuming you can get your hands on it).
 
You see, if you follow that CPU world link, the most significant difference between the $359 R7-5700G and the $449 R7-5800X
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In other words, that 16MB of L3 Cache in the 5800X is the most expensive in the world. It costs you $90 and an iGPU. Frankly, I don't see why anyone would buy the 5800X now that this 5700G is available (assuming you can get your hands on it).


$449? dude, what planet are you on?

https://www.microcenter.com/product...ore-am4-boxed-processor-heatsink-not-included

$349 5800x.

it's not $90 more, it's $10 less.

https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntt=5700G+(3.8GHz) ($359)

lolz @ making this gigantic write-up and basing it on a bizarre price. iirc, back in january, the 5800x was $400 or 420.

even shitty amazon has it for $390 - nowhere near the 449 you claimed.
 
I'm quoting MSRP.

For the bajillionth time, I don't care about in-store only sales at 25 nationwide locations that are within a 250 mile round trip of less than one fifth of the nation's population.
 
I'm quoting MSRP.

For the bajillionth time, I don't care about in-store only sales at 25 nationwide locations that are within a 250 mile round trip of less than one fifth of the nation's population.

cool, i guess i should have mentioned amazon, then.

oh, wait.
 
Indeed, right now the online pricing doesn't match MSRP because Intel has forced AMD to lower their pricing on their overpriced Zen 3 processors. That happened in the middle June-- on the 15th. That's why we're seeing sales from the top resellers like the one I posted from August 23rd above. However, currently, the best prices from official online resellers:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ycGbt6/amd-ryzen-7-5700g-38-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000263box
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qtvqqs/amd-ryzen-7-5800x-38-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000063wof
  • R7-5800X = $389 (Newegg w/$10 off)
  • R7-5700G = $359 (Wal-Mart)
 
Thermaltake just launched a new knockoff fan in ghastly colors.
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