Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

Anyone know if the LGA 1200 will be forward compatible for a while?

I've got LGA 1155 now so I know what its like to be stuck with an old size.
 
Oof disappointing. Yeah AMD seems to have the advantage over flagship Intel processors. Unfortunately they don't have stock on any AMD Cpus with 3090 GPU packages.

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The article on Toms Hardware mentions the difference in FPS becomes negligible at higher resolutions. I.e. over 1080p the fps is carried by the GPU.

I play on a 65" 4k tv so maybe I wouldn't be losing much fps if I went with intel 9-10850
That's usually referred to as "GPU limiting". That's why CPU tests, even for gaming performance, are best focused on framerates at lower resolutions where the GPU isn't a bottleneck. The AMD processors actually enjoy an even larger multicore performance advantage over the Intels, especially the 9th Gen i5/i7's that aren't hyperthreaded. What this means is that right now, for games at 4K which aren't as demanding, or in the future, if you upgrade your GPU to one that isn't a bottleneck, you can expect AMD's Zen 3 processors to output an even greater framerate advantage at those resolutions, not a lesser one.

Since GPUs are almost always the most urgent upgrade which are the most frequently upgraded this means the AMD processors are an even better investment versus their intel peers long-term. Additionally, the X570 motherboards are the only motherboards with PCIe 4.0 slots. If one is the type who buys the most powerful GPUs that could become another upgrade concern down the road; probably not next generation, but maybe 2-3 generations away.
 
Cyberpower does not have any Ryzen 5000+ with a 3090 for less than $4000. The processor isnt that much more expensive but when you upgrade the offered 3080 to a 3090 they charge you 1500 more, and take away the 3080. They should be charging like +700 for the step up.
 
Cyberpower does not have any Ryzen 5000+ with a 3090 for less than $4000. The processor isnt that much more expensive but when you upgrade the offered 3080 to a 3090 they charge you 1500 more, and take away the 3080. They should be charging like +700 for the step up.
That's why with Custom PC builders like CyberpowerPC, iBuyPower, CLX, and others, there's a game of picking the best value in any given component slot, and while there is an elasticity to your options, you're always more limited than if self-building unless you are willing to pay premiums that don't make sense. So it goes.

Nevertheless, iBuyPower is offering a far superior value to CyberpowerPC right now for an RTX 3090. After the 5% "GFH" code discount this one is $2704 (it also includes a $50 Amazon Gift Card, so it's $2654 effectively):
https://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Black-Friday-Sale-AMD-Ryzen-7-2020/W/1240571
  • Ryzen 5 5600X w/IBP Deepcool Gamerstorm RGB 240mm Liquid Cooler
  • RTX 3090 Gigabyte Eagle OC
  • 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-3200 CAS16 ADATA XPG D41 RAM
  • 512GB ADATA SX8200 NVMe SSD
  • Asus Prime B550-Plus Gaming ATX Motherboard
  • 800W High Power Gold PSU
  • iBuyPower Element Pro ATX Case including 3x120mm ARGB fans
  • No OS included (+$57 effective if desired)

Upgrading to the 5800X takes the total to $2848 ($2798 effective).
 
Maybe the best deal I've seen all week. The PSU is adequate, nothing great, slotted as "Tier C" by @LukeSavenije at LTT on specification because there is little reviewer info available, but that's a spectacular deal for effectively +$35 for the PSU (the case is $90 at Newegg right now which is the best market price). The Cullinan MX case launched with an MSRP of $149 in November 2017, btw, and is known for excellent airflow:
  • Rosewill Cullinan RGB ATX Case (includes 4x120mm RGB fans)
  • Rosewill Lepton 700W Gold Semi-Modular PSU
    $125

You reap the deal by going to the case's page. On the page you'll see "Extra Savings: Promotion Available", and you pick the Lepton 700W from the 10 promotions:
Rosewill ATX Mid Tower Gaming PC Computer Case, Tempered Glass, Supports 360mm GPU/360mm AIO Liquid Cooling, 4 x 120mm RGB LED Pre-Installed Case Fans with Remote Control - CULLINAN MX RGB
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Maybe the best deal I've seen all week. The PSU is adequate, nothing great, slotted as "Tier C" by @LukeSavenije at LTT on specification because there is little reviewer info available, but that's a spectacular deal for effectively +$35 (the case is $90 at Newegg right now). The Cullinan MX case launched with an MSRP of $149 in November 2017, btw, and is known for excellent airflow:
  • Rosewill Cullinan RGB ATX Case (includes 4x120mm RGB fans)
  • Rosewill Lepton 700W Gold Semi-Modular PSU
    $125

You reap the deal by going to the case's page. On the page you'll see "Extra Savings: Promotion Available", and you pick the Lepton 700W from the 10 promotions:
Rosewill ATX Mid Tower Gaming PC Computer Case, Tempered Glass, Supports 360mm GPU/360mm AIO Liquid Cooling, 4 x 120mm RGB LED Pre-Installed Case Fans with Remote Control - CULLINAN MX RGB
81Z15sM6QNL._AC_SL1500_.jpg

I own that Rosewill case and I really like it. It's keeping a Sandy Bridge 4/8 core Xeon and RX570 cool.
My only complaints are there's a hinged piece that covers the PCI screws and you have to remove the vertical GPU bracket to remove/install cards.
The fans can't be motherboard controlled, there's a switch on the top to control fan speed.
 
I've got an army green steel case I'd like to reuse. Ill look up the model number later. It looks like a piece of field machinery
 
Nvidia announces the $399 RTX 3060 Ti —and we’ve tested it
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At $399 this thing absolutely shits on the value of the RX 6800 at its $579 MSRP (when it becomes available and actually reaches this price).

*Note: the Memory Clock here is quoting Ampere's GDDR6 bandwidth. That's not what I'm used to seeing quoted under that label. More traditionally speaking, the Memory Clock is 1750 MHz for both (which translates to an effective transfer rate of 14 Gbps since it is GDDR6).
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The 3DMark gives a generally accurate idea of relative gaming power:

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TPU's gaming roundup showed an even smaller overall discrepancy @1440p of -20% for the 3060 Ti. Note that it's actually outperforming the RTX 2080 Super:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-founders-edition/
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Although in the rare case you can turn on DLSS 2.0, a list that is growing over time, the 3060 Ti suddenly stomps the RX 6800 out (even in Watch Dogs which was a title where the RX 6800 otherwise enjoyed an inordinately large advantage):
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I have no clue what the fuck AMD is doing. They got a little high on themselves. They must have had lingering beer goggles from their Zen 3 celebration, and mistook Huang Jensen rolling up in his NVIDIA-embossed leather jacket for an Intel executive prior to their RDNA 2.0 launch, because their GPUs are a bit of a joke at the prices they're asking. Memo to Lisa: you're still the far-trailing underdog in the GPU game.
 
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Nvidia announces the $399 RTX 3060 Ti —and we’ve tested it
Ampere-3060Ti_3QTR_Front_Left-Edit-1440x960.jpg



At $399 this thing absolutely shits on the value of the RX 6800 at its $579 MSRP (when it becomes available and actually reaches this price).

*Note: the Memory Clock here is quoting Ampere's GDDR6 bandwidth. That's not what I'm used to seeing quoted under that label. More traditionally speaking, the Memory Clock is 1750 MHz for both (which translates to an effective transfer rate of 14 Gbps since it is GDDR6.
Screenshot-23.png



The 3DMark gives a generally accurate idea of relative gaming power:

rtx-3060-ti-benches.017-1440x1080.jpeg



Although in the rare case you can turn on DLSS 2.0, a list that is growing over time, the 3060 Ti suddenly stomps the RX 6800 out (even in Watch Dogs which was a title where the RX 6800 otherwise enjoyed an inordinately large advantage):
rtx-3060-ti-benches.003-980x735.jpeg



I have no clue what the fuck AMD is doing. They got a little high on themselves. They must have had lingering beer goggles from their Zen 3 celebration, and mistook Huang Jensen rolling up in his NVIDIA-embossed leather jacket for an Intel executive prior to their RDNA 2.0 launch, because their GPUs are a bit of a joke at the prices they're asking. Memo to Lisa: you're still the far-trailing underdog in the GPU game.

And that's an example where DLSS isn't even doing that much.

If the AMD vs Nvidia performance on Cyberpunk is anywhere close to Control (absolute disaster on AMD) that's a really bad sign for them.
Seems like that game in combination with the new cards is what a lot of people were waiting for to upgrade.
 
And that's an example where DLSS isn't even doing that much.

If the AMD vs Nvidia performance on Cyberpunk is anywhere close to Control (absolute disaster on AMD) that's a really bad sign for them.
Seems like that game in combination with the new cards is what a lot of people were waiting for to upgrade.
No, that's actually one of the best results for DLSS 2.0 yet seen.

There is confusion because DLSS has numerous modes (Quality > Balanced > Performance). The only that is intended to downsample without sacrificing any image quality is the "Quality" mode. That's the one quoted here. A 71% gain in fps for the "Quality" mode is the best I've ever seen.
 
Kinda makes their own 3070 worthless though. No wonder it was a quiet release.
 
What's the Radeon VII? Is it a legit alternative to the 6800 or Nvidia's 3000 series? It's the only other card with 16GB besides the 6800 but has a different RAM type.
 
lolz, no.
I'm curious about this HBM2 standard vs GDDR6. It has twice the memory bandwidth and lower power usage so shouldn't it offer better potential performance and latency? Maybe something to watch for in future models.
 
I'm curious about this HBM2 standard vs GDDR6. It has twice the memory bandwidth and lower power usage so shouldn't it offer better potential performance and latency? Maybe something to watch for in future models.

it's of the vega series, which is mostly (99%+?) relegated to APUs. i'm not sure they even plan on making another vega gpu, since their focus is on cdna/rdna.
 
it's of the vega series, which is mostly (99%+?) relegated to APUs. i'm not sure they even plan on making another vega gpu, since their focus is on cdna/rdna.
Appreciate it, thanks. You're right that it seems like a one off. I haven't seen any other GPUs with it.
 
I'm curious about this HBM2 standard vs GDDR6. It has twice the memory bandwidth and lower power usage so shouldn't it offer better potential performance and latency? Maybe something to watch for in future models.
Doesn't matter how much memory you can push out if you don't have the speed to bus it. GDDR6X is the tip of the spear.
 
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