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Edit: I'm gonna miss out on ray tracing for a while though

Likely longer. Advancements in GPU hardware happened last time in 2014.

Big push that the next console generation will have on Pc's is gen4 M.2 storage, wireless peripherals, 240hz monitors, dedicated soundcards and headsets.
 
Thanks, I'm surprised my card is still in the top 20 of those charts. It shows playable framerates already with maybe 30% better for a $700 upgrade.

Looks like I'll wait a year or two more

Edit: I'm gonna miss out on ray tracing for a while though

Personally I don't think there's enough games out there that I play that use Ray Tracing for me to go buy a new card. I'm on a 1070ti.
 
Techspot is bigger than Hardware Unboxed, and predates it. Steve is just one of the senior editors for the website (the Features & Reviews editor). Julio Franco is its founder and executive editor, and ASFAIK, he isn't involved with Steve's YouTube Channel, though I wouldn't be surprised if he was an investor and/or silent partner.
https://www.techspot.com/about/

My favorite feature of Techspot is their meta-review service. I linked it a while ago in the build thread:
https://www.techspot.com/products/
Thanks, I'm surprised my card is still in the top 20 of those charts. It shows playable framerates already with maybe 30% better for a $700 upgrade.

Looks like I'll wait a year or two more

Edit: I'm gonna miss out on ray tracing for a while though
Yeah, it's #17 among reference cards if you don't count any of the Titans. Still very relevant. The value curve begins to drop off steeply above the RX 5700 XT, but the RTX 2070 Super at reference is 56% superior at 1080p in Techpowerup's latest gaming benchmark suite (97% vs. 62%). Best upgrade possible under $1000 for you would be the RTX 2080 Super starting around $700 for ~75% advantage.

Ray-tracing is about as relevant as DX12 or Vulkan, unfortunately. You definitely won't have to upgrade until the next generation. Hell, even then probably not.

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Personally I don't think there's enough games out there that I play that use Ray Tracing for me to go buy a new card. I'm on a 1070ti.
About every 8 years I replayed quake 2, I think I had it on floppy disk first. I was kinda excited to play it when itiwas rereleased but was confused when I got .25 FPS before reading what day tracing was...

There's not gonna be any huge games that draw heavy on it for a while. The developers don't want to narrow their customer base so for a few years it will probably be a toggle setting if at all
 
Thanks, I'm surprised my card is still in the top 20 of those charts. It shows playable framerates already with maybe 30% better for a $700 upgrade.
Yeah the 1070 is still on par with a 1660 Ti which retails from like $270-300. That's crazy considering 1. The 1070 is over 3 years old and 2. It wasn't exactly an ultra expensive card (winter of 2016 it was selling for mid $300s).
 
Yeah the 1070 is still on par with a 1660 Ti which retails from like $270-300. That's crazy considering 1. The 1070 is over 3 years old and 2. It wasn't exactly an ultra expensive card (winter of 2016 it was selling for mid $300s).
The 1060 (-55%/-37%) is still the most popular GPU among Steam users by miles, too, followed by the RX 580 (-35%) on the AMD side, with the RTX 2060 (+21%) & GTX 1660 Ti (+3%) the most popular among the in-production lineups:
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

All of these remain the bestselling GPUs if you visit Amazon or Newegg, too: GTX 1660 Ti, GTX 1660, RX 5700, RX 580, RTX 2060.

It's hard to see the GTX 1070 being rendered effectively obsolete for AAA gaming even with the release of the next generation of GPUs unless the PS5 (i.e. 9th gen of consoles) somehow kickstarts a demand for more performance across the board of platforms.
 
The 1060 (-55%/-37%) is still the most popular GPU among Steam users by miles, too, followed by the RX 580 (-35%) on the AMD side, with the RTX 2060 (+21%) & GTX 1660 Ti (+3%) the most popular among the in-production lineups:
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

All of these remain the bestselling GPUs if you visit Amazon or Newegg, too: GTX 1660 Ti, GTX 1660, RX 5700, RX 580, RTX 2060.

It's hard to see the GTX 1070 being rendered effectively obsolete for AAA gaming even with the release of the next generation of GPUs unless the PS5 (i.e. 9th gen of consoles) somehow kickstarts a demand for more performance across the board of platforms.
Agreed. I personally know so many people that are still holding onto that 2014-2016 era cards for that exact reason. That performance range that all those cards fall into are extremely popular and for most all you need for 1080p (R9 290/290x, GTX 970/980, 1060, RX480/580).

It will for sure take new game engines to torture these cards at 1080p but like you said it's gonna be a while.
 
Don't care. That has fuck-all to do with gaming benchmarks. Also, I love that Gamer's Nexus has now become the God reviewer online. Who was it on Sherdog that originally lavished praise on their no-nonsense utilitarian approach in contrast to the marker-manufactured RGB craze that was gripping the rest of the tech blogosphere?

Oh, that's right, it was yours truly.

TechpowerUP and UserBenchmark are both incredible resources. Those who are too ignorant to separate what is useful from what isn't may struggle with that.
 
Don't care. That has fuck-all to do with gaming benchmarks. Also, I love that Gamer's Nexus has now become the God reviewer online. Who was it on Sherdog that originally lavished praise on their no-nonsense utilitarian approach in contrast to the marker-manufactured RGB craze that was gripping the rest of the tech blogosphere?

Oh, that's right, it was yours truly.

TechpowerUP and UserBenchmark are both incredible resources. Those who are too ignorant to separate what is useful from what isn't may struggle with that.

Once again thumping your chest I see.
 
Because once again I was ahead of the curve.

As I said before. It's a put up or shut up enterprise.
 
Ahead of the curve in discerning which major reviewer had value. Glad the rest of the internet caught up. Nice to have you. Took a while.

One of the reasons I espied this value before less discriminating minds is that I don't caught up in silly drama, and I rely on objective data. I think for myself even when processing the opinions of others. That's why I know why Steve doesn't like UserBenchmark, and I don't need him to articulate why he isn't a fan of the service. In understanding why he criticizes it, I am free to disagree due to the fact I believe it to be anal retentive, while also self-interested, and instead appreciate UserBenchmark (as well as other similar benchmark services) for the trove of information they convey.

If I was a parrot I would dismiss them like so many neophytes on Reddit, but then, if I was the type to do that, I also would have been one of the sheepish herd who used to hate on CyberpowerPC and the tremendous value prebuilders offered. Now those sheep get downvoted into oblivion on subs like /buildapcsales. So while I'm thumping my chest I might as well throw that log on the pile: another where not parroting the dogma of mass rumor had me well ahead of the curve. I recall when the same sheepish thinkers pushed back here on Sherdog. Oh well. Thinking for oneself is often a lonely road.

I also have the first post citing Techspot on this forum. Fancy that.

Imagine how gullible one has to be to take this diligent coverage of a whistleblow post, precisely the sort of anti-corporate journalism we need, and spin that into, "Techpowerup can't be trusted!" I guess we're ignoring they've already printed an update with an apology to GN, or did Reddit fail to update the sheep with that?:
https://www.techpowerup.com/260456/...ists-product-placements-alleges-whistleblower
Edit: In an earlier iteration of this article we used a screenshot of a YouTube video to illustrate what's being alleged by the whistleblower. We see now that we made an error in judgment, and our intention wasn't to single out any YouTuber, or make the discussion about that particular YouTuber. We have since edited out the illustration and profoundly apologized to that YouTuber. We offer the same apology to our readers.

The whistleblower describes NVIDIA's influence over RX 5700-series reviews as follows:

When I started getting ready for RX 5700 reviews, NV PR (names removed) really wanted YouTubers to rehash RX 580/590 to distract from the RX 5700 advancements. NVIDIA pushed comparing AMD with AMD and keeping their cards out of the mix for benchmarks. This was the first time I got a very firm message from NVIDIA that if I gave a very favorable RX 5700 review that NVIDIA would have to evaluate how "good of a partner" my channel is for future review hardware. I am pretty sure you can find other examples of this happening to other channels that have talked about this stuff too.It's alleged that two specific people in NVIDIA PR "handle" YouTube-based journalists. Their influence goes back to the Radeon Vega days (mid-2017), when NVIDIA enjoyed a domination over the market. "This all started back when first Vega 7 cards were coming out and now NVIDIA, particularly NV PR (names removed), both Press Relations employees for NVIDIA, are pushing this very hard since RX 5700 cards were released," they write.

NVIDIA is also pushing for unpaid and sometimes paid product-placement of its reference GeForce RTX and GeForce GTX product boxes on the shelves of reviewers when reviewing AMD and Intel products. "NVIDIA is also asking YouTubers to do other things in AMD and Intel videos. NVIDIA asked me and others to make sure we always had NVIDIA branding visible in AMD and Intel coverage videos. NVIDIA asked for NVIDIA GTX and RTX boxes and cards to be visible in all AMD videos, videos that have nothing to do with NVIDIA products. NVIDIA asked me to make sure and never use AMD video cards when reviewing AMD and Intel CPUs. Some YouTubers are paid for this branding and product placement and others are not paid," they write.

On several YouTube videos, rows of GeForce RTX boxes in the field of view with content related to AMD products are hard to miss. Find examples of these videos yourself. Product placements are a reality, and need not affect the credibility of the reviewer making the content. It's entirely possible that the YouTubers merely want to flaunt their collection of hardware, as the "garage" or "mancave" aesthetic is popular with the PC enthusiast crowd that's relies on DIY (purchasing components and assembling powerful computers with them).

We are yet to find examples of the bigger allegation, that of NVIDIA micro-managing RX 5700-series reviews, but a good place to start would be any exclusive comparison between the $350 RX 5700 and the $400 RTX 2060 SUPER while not comparing the latter to the $400 RX 5700 XT; or worse, comparing the $400 RX 5700 XT to the $500 RTX 2070 SUPER. The whistleblower alleges that some YouTubers have even been influenced to completely keep NVIDIA cards off their comparisons, and pit the RX 5700 against older AMD hardware.

A way forward is being proposed for YouTubers by the whistleblower: full-disclosure in the description. "I guess none of this is illegal, but it is kind of dirty. "Pay to play" branding and product placement is nothing new. It is done all the time in movies, but reviews are not movies. Reviews are supposed to be focused on the product you are looking for information on, not filled with product placement by a competing GPU maker. If YouTubers are going to do this I think it should be stated as happening in the video description. If NVIDIA is buying product placement in AMD coverage videos, that should be stated in the video description. This marketing should require a disclosure. NVIDIA buying YouTubers needs to be exposed and talked about."

Here's the full text of the post on Reddit:
But by all means, plz, show me the data where Techpowerup's gaming benchmarks indicate they are cooking the books for AMD. It isn't there because their numbers are consistent with results from the rest of trusted reviewers. Furthermore, AMD vs. NVIDIA had nothing to do with comparing the relative performance of different NVIDIA generations in their latest roundup. So it's pretty retarded to bring that up at all with the context of the conversation, yeah?

SMH. Glad we had this derail to nurture someone's ego.
 
If I had bought an i9 I could have saved Intel from destruction.
 
Ahead of the curve in discerning which major reviewer had value. Glad the rest of the internet caught up. Nice to have you. Took a while.

One of the reasons I espied this value before less discriminating minds is that I don't caught up in silly drama, and I rely on objective data. I think for myself even when processing the opinions of others. That's why I know why Steve doesn't like UserBenchmark, and I don't need him to articulate why he isn't a fan of the service. In understanding why he criticizes it, I am free to disagree due to the fact I believe it to be anal retentive, while also self-interested, and instead appreciate UserBenchmark (as well as other similar benchmark services) for the trove of information they convey.

If I was a parrot I would dismiss them like so many neophytes on Reddit, but then, if I was the type to do that, I also would have been one of the sheepish herd who used to hate on CyberpowerPC and the tremendous value prebuilders offered. Now those sheep get downvoted into oblivion on subs like /buildapcsales. So while I'm thumping my chest I might as well throw that log on the pile: another where not parroting the dogma of mass rumor had me well ahead of the curve. I recall when the same sheepish thinkers pushed back here on Sherdog. Oh well. Thinking for oneself is often a lonely road.

I also have the first post citing Techspot on this forum. Fancy that.

Imagine how gullible one has to be to take this diligent coverage of a whistleblow post, precisely the sort of anti-corporate journalism we need, and spin that into, "Techpowerup can't be trusted!" I guess we're ignoring they've already printed an update with an apology to GN, or did Reddit fail to update the sheep with that?:
https://www.techpowerup.com/260456/...ists-product-placements-alleges-whistleblower

But by all means, plz, show me the data where Techpowerup's gaming benchmarks indicate they are cooking the books for AMD. It isn't there because their numbers are consistent with results from the rest of trusted reviewers. Furthermore, AMD vs. NVIDIA had nothing to do with comparing the relative performance of different NVIDIA generations in their latest roundup. So it's pretty retarded to bring that up at all with the context of the conversation, yeah?

SMH. Glad we had this derail to nurture someone's ego.

lol another long winded, no info, chest thumping post.
my ego? Yeah bud, ok.
 
Certainly not my ego. This entire derail has been pointless. I shared an updated chart comparing the relative performance of GPUs at reference in games. Pretty straightforward, and simple. Unless one can establish why that specific benchmark is tainted there's no point to mentioning this unrelated, trivial drama surrounding an innocent news entry at all. Even the drama surrounding that is stupid, and that's apparent in the title of the short piece itself which is soberly factual:
NVIDIA Influencing YouTube Tech Journalists' Product-Placements, Alleges Whistleblower

So unless the point of this is a preface to substantiate why those benchmarks are invalid, what's the goddamn point? Not my fault someone in here didn't fully understand the relationship between Techspot and Hardware Unboxed.

Think more. Speak less.
 
Situation: current PC works for browsing/watching movies but is outdated and messed up, cant properly game on it. Tried every bit of trouble shooting I can and it just wont work. I will need to get a new PC eventually but it doesn't necessarily have to be right this moment.

There is a used one on craigslist or $460, it has

1080
i5 3570k
generic mobo
generic 700w psu
name brand 16g ram ddr3 2133 freq
old slow 1tb harddrive

would this be a steal at that price for the graphics card alone? I feel like it is but for some reason something is telling me to pass...


I think its that for that much money I'd rather just spend a bit more and get a new generation cpu, mobo, ram, etc.
 
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