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I couldn’t watch that. Like two minutes in he still isn’t saying anything important.

Cliffs?

 

[Madmick]

I haven't had the time to sit down and dig into reviews yet. i've been able to scrub though a couple for benchmarks.
have you seen anything on what percent tariffs are being placed on these?

I have no idea. I just saw they added wireless routers to the tariff list while I've been on the hunt for one, so I'm pretty pissed.

There's a reason you're seeing all these 4K benchmarks. It's the only genuinely attractive feature. If you're someone who wants to game at 4K the GTX 10 series just doesn't cut it. Otherwise, if at all possible, this is the generation of video cards to "skip", or at least avoid until your system can't handle a game you want to play, to your satisfaction, in which case it's time to get out and get what you need at the best price.

These benchmarks are so disappointing it appears the RTX cards don't even have this appeal.

The reason some might have found this attractive was because the top GTX 10 series cards (GTX 1080 Ti, Titan XP) just aren't quite good enough to viably run most games in 4K with high or max settings at a 60fps+ average or especially minimum framerate. G-Sync covers the latter, keeping a smooth image during the drops into framerate troughs, but the best 4K TVs like the LG OLED C series has G-Sync. The best cards just couldn't quite rise to the challenge.

Well, that Hardware Unboxed game benchmark roundup has the RTX 2080 Ti just 30% better than the GTX 1080 Ti @4K, and TPU's roundup summary is about the same at +27% (shown below). That just isn't going to cut it. At reference, the Titan XP was already roughly 5%-10% ahead of the GTX 1080 Ti in games for the same launch price. So this is adding around 20% or so to the top card that already existed for the same price. These aren't even curing one of the only woes the GTX 10 series suffered. We still don't have a legit 4K beast.

 

[Slobodan]

I couldn’t watch that. Like two minutes in he still isn’t saying anything important.

Cliffs?

I haven't watched it but his vids tend to go in-depth with his reviews

 

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I have no idea. I just saw they added wireless routers to the tariff list while I've been on the hunt for one, so I'm pretty pissed.

These benchmarks are so disappointing it appears the RTX cards don't even have this appeal.

The reason some might have found this attractive was because the top GTX 10 series cards (GTX 1080 Ti, Titan XP) just aren't quite good enough to viably run most games in 4K with high or max settings at a 60fps+ average or especially minimum framerate. G-Sync covers the latter, keeping a smooth image during the drops into framerate troughs, but the best 4K TVs like the LG OLED C series has G-Sync. The best cards just couldn't quite rise to the challenge.

Well, that Hardware Unboxed game benchmark roundup has the RTX 2080 Ti just 30% better than the GTX 1080 Ti @4K, and TPU's roundup summary is about the same at +27% (shown below). That just isn't going to cut it. At reference, the Titan XP was already roughly 5%-10% ahead of the GTX 1080 Ti in games for the same launch price. So this is adding around 20% or so to the top card that already existed for the same price. These aren't even curing one of the only woes the GTX 10 series suffered. We still don't have a legit 4K beast.

I know it’s at a different price point but has anyone done a titan v vs 2080 yet?

How does the Titan v compare to 4K benchmarks?

On 3DMark all the top benches are Titan v

 

[Madmick]

I need to watch it again, but I noticed almost too late when they were chunking benchmarks up some had “ryzen test bench” and “intel” test bench.

The ones I caught before they stopped seemed to have the ryzen benchmarks on the 2080 ahead of the intel. I don’t know what intel processor they were running, possibly the best i7 6 core.

It’s a possibility, that the newer card NEEDS more cores to handle all it’s shit, and might be more impressive with a new I-9?

I have no idea, it was just something I caught a glance at and pondered.

No. Has nothing to do with a CPU bottleneck. This is about them asking gamers to pay a huge premium for hardware that they can't even test yet (the Ray-Tracing hardware). All those "tensor cores" and the rest of it is what makes these GPUs so damn expensive. The cost of all that hardware is pointless. It just sits there, effectively unused, during testing. That's why he's ranting about shiny, pointless labels. It is what these GPUs are, right now. They're something for display-- art pieces. They may be the future, but right now, they're just expensive, pretty metal.

Watch the end of the Linus video. He chides NVIDIA for giving him hardware that he can't even test yet; mentions not even a single game is yet coded for the hardware, and they didn't really give him anything else to assess. You could hear the bitterness in his voice talking about the NDA policing by NVIDIA while they weren't even giving the reviewers the means to show it off. That's why he's showing a bunch of synthetic benchmarks that we gamers normally never even look at, or care about.

 

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No. Has nothing to do with a CPU bottleneck. This is about them asking gamers to pay a huge premium for hardware that they can't even test yet (the Ray-Tracing hardware). All those "tensor cores" and the rest of it is what makes these GPUs so damn expensive. The cost of all that hardware is pointless. It just sits there, effectively unused, during testing. That's why he's ranting about shiny, pointless labels. It is what these GPUs are, right now. They're something for display-- art pieces. They may be the future, but right now, they're just expensive, pretty metal.

Watch the end of the Linus video. He chides NVIDIA for giving him hardware that he can't even test yet; mentions not even a single game is yet coded for the hardware, and they didn't really give him anything else to assess. You could hear the bitterness in his voice talking about the NDA policing by NVIDIA while they weren't even giving the reviewers the means to show it off. That's why he's showing a bunch of synthetic benchmarks that we gamers normally never even look at, or care about.

I got all of that.

I just thought it was interesting that the ryzen benchmarks outperformed the intel ones on the ones I caught.

I’ll get on my pc here in a little while and watch it again instead of on my phone and pay more attention.

 

[Madmick]

I got all of that.

I just thought it was interesting that the ryzen benchmarks outperformed the intel ones on the ones I caught.

I’ll get on my pc here in a little while and watch it again instead of on my phone and pay more attention.

I hadn't noticed that, but at this stage, differences like that are almost always related to drivers (though Intel is always the one with better support out the gate, so that would be an aberration).

 

[jefferz]

I have no idea. I just saw they added wireless routers to the tariff list while I've been on the hunt for one, so I'm pretty pissed.

Quick question on routers. I need wifi in just 1 room, rest of the house is covered. I already have a hard line run to the room. A sub $20 router would be fine correct?

 

[Madmick]

Quick question on routers. I need wifi in just 1 room, rest of the house is covered. I already have a hard line run to the room. A sub $20 router would be fine correct?

So long as you can set it as a Wireless Access Point. If it can be integrated into your active network in that fashion it's a great, cheap solution to expand coverage. So first you have to establish if your current master router supports WAPs, and then if the router you're considering can be turned into a WAP using that particular network protocol (because the different vendors use different networking technologies).

 

[Blayt7hh]

So yeah last night I had posted that I thought the 2080 would be marginally better than the 1080 Ti... and I was kind of right. I didn't mean that it would be as marginally better than it could possibly be.

Consumers are letting Nvidia get away with this flop of a release though. Nvidia bumped the prices up for this generation in a big way, then did a bunch of PR bullshit and tricked people into preordering these cards. Consumers really need to learn that you can't just trust what these companies claim prior to release. It's the same every generation, but it seems to me like consumers are getting more and more eager to jump the gun with each big new release. I really miss the days when AMD was competitive. It's not good when a company is getting to run around unchecked like this.

 

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So yeah last night I had posted that I thought the 2080 would be marginally better than the 1080 Ti... and I was kind of right. I didn't mean that it would be as marginally better than it could possibly be.

Consumers are letting Nvidia get away with this flop of a release though. Nvidia bumped the prices up for this generation in a big way, then did a bunch of PR bullshit and tricked people into preordering these cards. Consumers really need to learn that you can't just trust what these companies claim prior to release. It's the same every generation, but it seems to me like consumers are getting more and more eager to jump the gun with each big new release. I really miss the days when AMD was competitive. It's not good when a company is getting to run around unchecked like this.

Depending on how you look at it , they are.

For instance in my research it seems that a number of different types of uses, some different amd cards are better besides straight gaming when matched price point to price point with gtx cards.

Certain editing and color correction and rendering tasks seem to be better for some amd cards.

But they don’t have two specific card types like Nvidia does.

So, if you do a lot of work, on tasks that the amd card is better at like those above or modeling softwares etc and game, you could have a card that does both very well, it not the best at either.

Or chose the Nvidia gtx for gaming purposes and have it do worse at modeling and rendering or buy a Nvidia quaddro and have best modeling and not very good gaming.

Amd only having one card type makes them better suited to hit a broader audience at the same time.

 

[Madmick]

So yeah last night I had posted that I thought the 2080 would be marginally better than the 1080 Ti... and I was kind of right. I didn't mean that it would be as marginally better than it could possibly be.

Consumers are letting Nvidia get away with this flop of a release though. Nvidia bumped the prices up for this generation in a big way, then did a bunch of PR bullshit and tricked people into preordering these cards. Consumers really need to learn that you can't just trust what these companies claim prior to release. It's the same every generation, but it seems to me like consumers are getting more and more eager to jump the gun with each big new release. I really miss the days when AMD was competitive. It's not good when a company is getting to run around unchecked like this.

Those are some pretty slim margins.

 

[Cygnus A]

This is a shameful day in PC gaming. Fuck Nvidia for doing this. We are likely 2-3 years from any significant chunk of games implementing ray-tracing, and by then this 2xxx series of cards will be outdated. Guess I am picking up a 1080ti now. I was holding out, but see no reason to pay the bucks for these.

 

[Woldog]

Glad I bought that 1080ti now hahaha

 

[Swing]

Yeah I'll probably wait for the next iteration at least. My current PC was originally gonna be my last 1080p computer anyway, so I can hold out for a year or two and just get a whole new system.

 

[My Spot]

You can get a 1080 Ti on r/HardwareSwap for under $500 now.

 

[Slobodan]

But they don’t have two specific card types like Nvidia does.

Are you referring to productivity and gaming cards?

 

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Are you referring to productivity and gaming cards?

Yes , certain productivity tasks amd cards outshine the gtx, But Nvidia doesn’t care because the gtx bests the amd in MOST games, and the quadro bests the amd in MOST productivity tasks.

Amd isn’t the best at most anything but can be a better choice if you do a lot of both depending on your exact needs.

 

[Slobodan]

Yes , certain productivity tasks amd cards outshine the gtx, But Nvidia doesn’t care because the gtx bests the amd in MOST games, and the quadro bests the amd in MOST productivity tasks.

Amd isn’t the best at most anything but can be a better choice if you do a lot of both depending on your exact needs.

But AMD have their Radeon Pro line for productivity tasks

 

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But AMD have their Radeon Pro line for productivity tasks

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I was unaware of that