Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

Swing said:
Looks like 144 at 1440p with max setting still isn't quite guaranteed. Hopefully next year.
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What are you talking about? The RTX 3080 is easily adequate to be called a 1440p@144Hz GPU. In fact, it's the first GPU that is powerful enough to really pair well with the latest, greatest 4K@144Hz monitors.

You're going to be waiting for another half dozen years if you want some abstract "guarantee". You must maintain the perspective that benchmarkers deliberately test the latest, most demanding titles purposely. This is the razor's edge-- the very tip of the iceberg. That iceberg is some 118,000+ historical PC games, and almost every single one is far, far less demanding. Even the other AAA titles from the most played 1000 titles today are far less demanding.

Yet, in the TPU suite of this razor's edge, the RTX 3080 exceeded a 120fps average in nearly every title, and these are on the highest graphical presets (i.e. Ultra). The average across the suite was above 144fps. Furthermore, any gaming monitor that could possibly keep up with this, these days, support G-Sync or Freesync, and obviously you'd want a G-Sync monitor. You suffer nothing with those incredibly rare titles that can't hit the monitor's max framerate.
Woldog said:
So @Madmick with everything we know now, time to leave my 1080ti behind? or wait for Big Navi's announcement before making a choice?
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It's impossible for me to know what Big Navi will offer, but I'm not optimistic it's going to come close to this despite the hype from leaks/rumors. I'd recommend the RTX 3080 wholeheartedly.

You game at 1440p, right? The TPU suite showed a 59.2% average framerate improvement for the RTX 3080 over the RTX 1080 Ti (on X570 motherboards using the PCIe 4.0 Slot for the GPU). That's simply a massive leap.

With such a high power draw the obvious major concern is temps. Well, all of the thermal and noise testing indicate even the blower-style GPU is phenomenally constructed. It offers the best stock thermal dissipation design in any GPU made, yet. NVIDIA tuned the GPU to stay under 75C even under furmark loads, and it managed to do this with no throttling of the boost frequencies. It's also quieter than both the RTX 2080 Ti or your own RTX 1080 Ti's reference designs. It maxes at 36 dBA for games (compared to 39 dBa for the 1080 Ti). GN registered an absolute peak of 41.8 dBA in furmark stress testing without manual tuning. The absolute loudest possible the fans can get if manually calibrated is 57.6 dBA. More practically, even within 100Mhz of the peak boost frequency, it was able to sustain this sub-75C temperature at a mere 50% fan speed. Remarkable.

Furthermore, remember the single deficit of the RTX 2xxx FE cards against aftermarket designs I mentioned on the last page? The lack of a no-fan mode? Well, the RTX 3080 adds that.

Nevertheless, so you know, the triple-fan designs brings down the max gaming load noise level 4-5 dBA to as low as 31dBA:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-3080-gaming-x-trio/31.html

The RTX 3080 is a buy, buy, buy, baby.
 
Madmick said:
What are you talking about? The RTX 3080 is easily adequate to be called a 1440p@144Hz GPU. In fact, it's the first GPU that is powerful enough to really pair well with the latest, greatest 4K@144Hz monitors.

You're going to be waiting for another half dozen years if you want some abstract "guarantee". You must maintain the perspective that benchmarkers deliberately test the latest, most demanding titles purposely. This is the razor's edge-- the very tip of the iceberg. That iceberg is some 118,000+ historical PC games, and almost every single one is far, far less demanding. Even the other AAA titles from the most played 1000 titles today are far less demanding.

Yet, in the TPU suite of this razor's edge, the RTX 3080 exceeded a 120fps average in nearly every title, and these are on the highest graphical presets (i.e. Ultra). The average across the suite was above 144fps. Furthermore, any gaming monitor that could possibly keep up with this, these days, support G-Sync or Freesync, and obviously you'd want a G-Sync monitor. You suffer nothing with those incredibly rare titles that can't hit the monitor's max framerate.

It's impossible for me to know what Big Navi will offer, but I'm not optimistic it's going to come close to this despite the hype from leaks/rumors. I'd recommend the RTX 3080 wholeheartedly.

You game at 1440p, right? The TPU suite showed a 59.2% average framerate improvement for the RTX 3080 over the RTX 1080 Ti (on X570 motherboards using the PCIe 4.0 Slot for the GPU). That's simply a massive leap.

With such a high power draw the obvious major concern is temps. Well, all of the thermal and noise testing indicate even the blower-style GPU is phenomenally constructed. It offers the best stock thermal dissipation design in any GPU made, yet. NVIDIA tuned the GPU to stay under 75C even under furmark loads, and it managed to do this with no throttling of the boost frequencies. It's also quieter than both the RTX 2080 Ti or your own RTX 1080 Ti's reference designs. It maxes at 36 dBA for games (compared to 39 dBa for the 1080 Ti). GN registered an absolute peak of 41.8 dBA in furmark stress testing without manual tuning. The absolute loudest possible the fans can get if manually calibrated is 57.6 dBA. More practically, even within 100Mhz of the peak boost frequency, it was able to sustain this sub-75C temperature at a mere 50% fan speed. Remarkable.

Furthermore, remember the single deficit of the RTX 2xxx FE cards against aftermarket designs I mentioned on the last page? The lack of a no-fan mode? Well, the RTX 3080 adds that.

Nevertheless, so you know, the triple-fan designs brings down the max gaming load noise level 4-5 dBA to as low as 31dBA:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-3080-gaming-x-trio/31.html

The RTX 3080 is a buy, buy, buy, baby.
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I've played 4 titles in the last few months that won't hit 144 at 1440p, especially with RTX on. Those include: RDR2 (I'm aware this doesn't have RTX support), SoTTR (Enabling RTX shadows is going to drop what the GN bench shows well below 144), Metro, and Control where having RTX on at 1440p gets the fps down to the 70s. Presumably more games will start using RTX, so my guess is we'll see more and more titles that can't hit 144 fps at 1440p.

For my own use and the games that I am going to play, those aren't negligible. Yes I have a gsync compatible monitor; I'd still like to reduce the input lag by keeping very high frame rates. I consider that half the point of paying for this kind of hardware.
 
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Nvidia going after scalpers on ebay and reviewing orders manually and admit they botched the launch badly.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/nvidia-is-manually-reviewing-rtx-3080-orders-to-stop-scalpers

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Nvidia is apologizing to gamers who struggled and failed to buy the RTX 3080 graphics card on launch day. But it's promising more stock is on the way.

The much-anticipated product was supposed to go on sale at 6 a.m. PT Thursday across numerous retailers. But PC gamers everywhere reported that the GPU sold out within minutes, if not seconds. The problem was especially bad on Nvidia’s own website, which was selling the “Founders Edition” of the graphics card for $699. One customer on Reddit posted a video attempting to buy the product at 6 a.m., when sales began, only for the web page to instantly change to “Out of Stock.”"


This reddit post could cause questions about what happened.

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Nvidia told PCMag it saw “unprecedented demand” for the RTX 3080 at global retailers and its own website. “At 6 am pacific we attempted to push the Nvidia store live. Despite preparation, the Nvidia store was inundated with traffic and encountered an error,” the company added.

Nvidia was able to address the errors and begin taking orders normally, but the company is indicating that “bots and scalpers” have tried to buy the product as well.

“To stop bots and scalpers on the Nvidia store, we’re doing everything humanly possible, including manually reviewing orders, to get these cards in the hands of legitimate customers,” the company said while adding: “We apologize to our customers for this morning's experience.”

Indeed, the limited supplies for the RTX 3080 has created a market on eBay, where resellers are hawking the $699 product for around $2,000 or more. "
 
Yea so that shit sold out to fast. Apparently people are trolling the scalpers on ebay bidding up the cards to extreme amounts.
 
TestosterOWN said:
A lot of these people put max settings on the game, and a few of those stupid things that you don’t need tank the FPS. So you remove some of those dumb settings and you easily get more frames. Flight simulator though is insane.
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For sure, and you can already see how much DLSS is improving the experience too. I'm not trying to talk anybody out of buying the card or anything.
 
Swing said:
For sure, and you can already see how much DLSS is improving the experience too. I'm not trying to talk anybody out of buying the card or anything.
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DLSS 2.0. It is amazing.

DLSS versions preceding that degrade game graphics significantly. It has a major blurring issue. If you're going to nerf the image quality, might as well do it by turning down the traditional graphic settings. Conversely, DLSS 2.0 almost never degrades the image, and there are even cases where it improves them.

The only problem with DLSS is that like Vulkan almost no games support it. All DLSS 2.0 games below:

Released
  1. Anthem
  2. Battlefield V
  3. Bright Memory
  4. Control
  5. Death Stranding
  6. Deliver Us The Moon
  7. F1 2020
  8. Final Fantasy XV
  9. Fortnite
  10. Mechwarrior V: Mercenaries
  11. Metro Exodus
  12. Minecraft
  13. Monster Hunter: World
  14. Shadow of the Tomb Raider
  15. Wolfenstein : Youngblood
Upcoming
  1. Call of Duty: Black ops – Cold War
  2. Cyberpunk 2077

That's 17 games. I wrote about this back in May. At the time there were three games. So in four months they've added 14 games, a rate of 3 1/2 games per month, and some of these additions are games that released years ago.
 
That’s pretty good, seems like most games will have it in the future.
 
TestosterOWN said:
That’s pretty good, seems like most games will have it in the future.
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To be more precise, DLSS 2.0 launched on March 23, 2020-- 178 days ago, and not on baby legs. DLSS had already been in existence since September 2018.

That's a rate of 35 games added to the service per year. Thousands of games are released every year.

Given, that's better than DX12 (105 games; launched July, 2015) and Vulkan (93 games; launched February, 2016), but not by much. On DLSS 2.0's pace, DX12 would boast 179 games, not 105, and Vulkan would boast 159 games, not 93.
 
Swing said:
I'm sure that if you play around with your settings you'll be able to hit 144 on most games with a 3080. I've got a 2080 Super and 90+ at that resolution is pretty normal with lows around the 70s barring exceptions like Control where with RTX turned on the game can hit well below 60. Then there are games like Doom Eternal and 2016 where I can actually hit 144 with everything cranked up. Also if you get a Gsync/Gsync compatible monitor a 3080 will probably always keep a high enough frame rate that you won't even notice it drop because it'll almost always be around at least 100 fps.

I also expect Nvidia to keep trying to improve DLSS to leverage that against Radeon. Also, the reality is that some game will always come along that nukes the whole idea of max settings regardless of resolution, but it's just kinda fun to think about when buying cards.
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I have Doom Enternal with a 2080 and I run max on everything. I get high frame rates but I don't have a monitor that can do 144 fps.
 
If only all games were as optimized as Doom/Doom Eternal.
 
KaNesDeath said:
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I don't know what you are getting at. The big jump from the 1080 series to the 2080 series is raytracing and 4k performance. Raytracing hasn't been really utilized. If you asked me why I have a good rig, mostly for VR. VR is a hog. John Carmack has said that for equal resolution and detail, VR is about 6 times more computationally taxing. All console VR is gimmicky crap due to how little it has to work with.
 
The Microcenter I go to in Atlanta only got 12 3080s to sell. Obviously they were all gone in the blink of an eye.
 
Madmick said:
What are you talking about? The RTX 3080 is easily adequate to be called a 1440p@144Hz GPU. In fact, it's the first GPU that is powerful enough to really pair well with the latest, greatest 4K@144Hz monitors.

You're going to be waiting for another half dozen years if you want some abstract "guarantee". You must maintain the perspective that benchmarkers deliberately test the latest, most demanding titles purposely. This is the razor's edge-- the very tip of the iceberg. That iceberg is some 118,000+ historical PC games, and almost every single one is far, far less demanding. Even the other AAA titles from the most played 1000 titles today are far less demanding.

Yet, in the TPU suite of this razor's edge, the RTX 3080 exceeded a 120fps average in nearly every title, and these are on the highest graphical presets (i.e. Ultra). The average across the suite was above 144fps. Furthermore, any gaming monitor that could possibly keep up with this, these days, support G-Sync or Freesync, and obviously you'd want a G-Sync monitor. You suffer nothing with those incredibly rare titles that can't hit the monitor's max framerate.

It's impossible for me to know what Big Navi will offer, but I'm not optimistic it's going to come close to this despite the hype from leaks/rumors. I'd recommend the RTX 3080 wholeheartedly.

You game at 1440p, right? The TPU suite showed a 59.2% average framerate improvement for the RTX 3080 over the RTX 1080 Ti (on X570 motherboards using the PCIe 4.0 Slot for the GPU). That's simply a massive leap.

With such a high power draw the obvious major concern is temps. Well, all of the thermal and noise testing indicate even the blower-style GPU is phenomenally constructed. It offers the best stock thermal dissipation design in any GPU made, yet. NVIDIA tuned the GPU to stay under 75C even under furmark loads, and it managed to do this with no throttling of the boost frequencies. It's also quieter than both the RTX 2080 Ti or your own RTX 1080 Ti's reference designs. It maxes at 36 dBA for games (compared to 39 dBa for the 1080 Ti). GN registered an absolute peak of 41.8 dBA in furmark stress testing without manual tuning. The absolute loudest possible the fans can get if manually calibrated is 57.6 dBA. More practically, even within 100Mhz of the peak boost frequency, it was able to sustain this sub-75C temperature at a mere 50% fan speed. Remarkable.

Furthermore, remember the single deficit of the RTX 2xxx FE cards against aftermarket designs I mentioned on the last page? The lack of a no-fan mode? Well, the RTX 3080 adds that.

Nevertheless, so you know, the triple-fan designs brings down the max gaming load noise level 4-5 dBA to as low as 31dBA:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-3080-gaming-x-trio/31.html

The RTX 3080 is a buy, buy, buy, baby.
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Yeah 1440p. I'll buy the TI version in a month or two when the hype and sales have slowed down a lil.
 
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