Tech Gaming Hardware discussion (& Hardware Sales) thread

[PEB]

NVIDIA claims bots is what caused a flood of orders and crashed theirs an others servers. Nvidia is more an more signaling they will be canceling hundreds if not thousands of orders. It according to them was an elaborate bot attack that flooded their servers. It took down their servers before the servers crashed.

"Based on a tweeted image, the bot was able to help one reseller score 42 units of the RTX 3080 from Nvidia’s website before it went out of stock."


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pc...its-before-consumers-could-grab-them?amp=true

 

[Madmick]

Yeah 1440p. I'll buy the TI version in a month or two when the hype and sales have slowed down a lil.

I suspect Ti versions are incoming, but they're probably at least 6-9 months away.

The craze won't die until there is a real supply. If a Microcenter in a major city like Atlanta only got a dozen cards, that means there may not even be 1000 of these cards out there in circulation. If that's all they could actually ship at launch, then the demand is going to sustain an inflation of the average sale price to RTX 2080 Ti levels, or higher. That MSRP is just meaningless scribbling on a piece of paper without an actual supply, and the status quo of the price to performance curve drives the value. That's why I wrote:

I say if you can get your hands on one, grab it, especially if you can get it at its quoted launch price. My great fear here is that demand is going to balloon the RTX 3xxxx MSRPs, because they're so out of line with the current price-to-performance curve of the market, and it may be years (or never) that we see RTX 3xxx cards actually sell on the market for what NVIDIA intended.

 

[Woldog]

I suspect Ti versions are incoming, but they're probably at least 6-9 months away.

The craze won't die until there is a real supply. If a Microcenter in a major city like Atlanta only got a dozen cards, that means there may not even be 1000 of these cards out there in circulation. If that's all they could actually ship at launch, then the demand is going to sustain an inflation of the average sale price to RTX 2080 Ti levels, or higher. That MSRP is just meaningless scribbling on a piece of paper without an actual supply, and the status quo of the price to performance curve drives the value. That's why I wrote:

Right now the 3080 is $1,500 at my local store (AUD not USD) so at that pricepoint I'd be better off waiting. The demand for them won't be huge in my city. With the 2080ti versions release it was on sale 3 weeks later for $400.00 off.

I agree on your point before about AMD likely not being able to come close, as much as I'd love to see them do it they just lag behind so far.

 

[Madmick]

Right now the 3080 is $1,500 at my local store (AUD not USD) so at that pricepoint I'd be better off waiting. The demand for them won't be huge in my city. With the 2080ti versions release it was on sale 3 weeks later for $400.00 off.

I agree on your point before about AMD likely not being able to come close, as much as I'd love to see them do it they just lag behind so far.

Indeed. There wasn't an opportunity to squander. You could have been camped out in a tent like it was Star Wars waiting for a green light. One had about as much chance of buying one at MSRP as one has at winning the Super Lotto.

 

[mixmastermo]

Just saw a bid end at $89,300

For that money you could buy a Porsche and connect your PC to that for some real performance...

 

[Woldog]

Just saw a bid end at $89,300

For that money you could buy a Porsche and connect your PC to that for some real performance...

Bids like that are usually fake though.

 

[TestosterOWN]

Just saw a bid end at $89,300

For that money you could buy a Porsche and connect your PC to that for some real performance...

All those bids are people and angry people making bid bods to force the scalpers to keep listing the item. It’s rather funny.

 

[PEB]

I suspect Ti versions are incoming, but they're probably at least 6-9 months away.

The craze won't die until there is a real supply. If a Microcenter in a major city like Atlanta only got a dozen cards, that means there may not even be 1000 of these cards out there in circulation. If that's all they could actually ship at launch, then the demand is going to sustain an inflation of the average sale price to RTX 2080 Ti levels, or higher. That MSRP is just meaningless scribbling on a piece of paper without an actual supply, and the status quo of the price to performance curve drives the value. That's why I wrote:

There are more then a 1000 out in the public one ebay reseller scored 42 of them. Many of these are going overseas unless Nvidia corrects their F-up. Nvidia even said foriegn orders happened before system crashed. A lot of these could be heading to cryptocurrency miners. There are tons of talented computing types who gamed the system.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pcmag.com/news/how-a-bot-bought-dozens-of-rtx-3080-units-before-consumers-could-grab-them?amp=true

 

[PEB]

Just saw a bid end at $89,300

For that money you could buy a Porsche and connect your PC to that for some real performance...

I kinda figured some rich a-hole would buy it and likely make a youtube video about it an get 100 million views to pay for the card lol.

Youtube Title: I just spent 90K for a Nvidia video card.

More likely a fake order.

More info

Problem with this Newegg tweet they were sold out in less then a min according to people who went to the site.

 

[jefferz]

To be more precise, DLSS 2.0 launched on March 23, 2020-- 178 days ago, and not on baby legs. DLSS had already been in existence since September 2018.

That's a rate of 35 games added to the service per year. Thousands of games are released every year.

Given, that's better than DX12 (105 games; launched July, 2015) and Vulkan (93 games; launched February, 2016), but not by much. On DLSS 2.0's pace, DX12 would boast 179 games, not 105, and Vulkan would boast 159 games, not 93.

Memba when people said the same thing about PhysX?

 

[empsim]

Whatever, guess I'm just going for the new AMD card.

 

[Madmick]

Memba when people said the same thing about PhysX?

PhysX which came out in 2001, and NVIDIA bought in 2008? Yes, I suppose in the year 2039, DLSS 2.0+ might be rife.

GPU-accelerated PhysX is effectively a dead technology. PhysX is built into game engines for the CPU. This is hardware-agnostic: AMD or NVIDIA GPUs may benefit. It's a matter of driver-support whether it runs better on one or the other. If that happens with DLSS 2.0, that would be wonderful, but that will be a neat trick since CPUs don't have the tensor cores on which DLSS 2.0 runs.

 

[Madmick]

Oh yeah, there was already reports foreshadowing this near the end of last month, but now it's official. SLI and Crossfire are effectively dead. NVIDIA won't be supporting it at all, anymore, not that they've given a shit for the past 5 years or so:
The End of SLI As We Know It

 

[jefferz]

PhysX which came out in 2001, and NVIDIA bought in 2008? Yes, I suppose in the year 2039, DLSS 2.0+ might be rife.

GPU-accelerated PhysX is effectively a dead technology. PhysX is built into game engines for the CPU. This is hardware-agnostic: AMD or NVIDIA GPUs may benefit. It's a matter of driver-support whether it runs better on one or the other. If that happens with DLSS 2.0, that would be wonderful, but that will be a neat trick since CPUs don't have the tensor cores on which DLSS 2.0 runs.

Once again you miss the point and go off rambling.

 

[PEB]

I got in touch with one of my favorite companies who I do tons of business with "Lots of zeros" and they are telling me directly from Nvidia they will be getting more soon like real soon so I put myself on their reserve hopefully at the end of the month when I get paid. ASUS TUF gaming RTX 3080 OC for 800 bucks. I may chicken out but given how hard to get these things I will likely pull the trigger.

 

[Madmick]

Once again you miss the point and go off rambling.

Did I?

That's why I was telling people with the last gen to buy Nvidia cards even though they got beat by AMD cards. The 5000 series AMD cards don't have and won't have Direct X 12 Ultimate or DLSS 2.0. Both technologies are being used more and more in new games and those 5000 series cards are going to fall behind.

It's my position that choosing NVIDIA over AMD for what amounts to vaporware for the GPU's lifetime of usage is an impractical strategy.

 

[PEB]

Did I?

It's my position that choosing NVIDIA over AMD for what amounts to vaporware for the GPU's lifetime of usage is an impractical strategy.

My reason is pretty simple NVIDIA support for 3D modeling with IRAYS is lightyears ahead of AMD as well as video editing too.

 

[Swing]

Hmm. So I randomly figured I'd peruse Newegg and noticed this: https://www.newegg.com/clx-tgvsetrth0923bm/p/3D5-000B-00189?Description=RTX 3080&cm_re=RTX_3080-_-9SIABFSC5X3146-_-Product

• Processor: Liquid-Cooled Intel Core i7 10400 2.9GHz (8 Cores)

• Chipset: Intel H410

• Memory: 32GB DDR4 - 2 x 16GB (2 slots total, 64GB Max)

• Hard Drives: 480GB SSD + 3TB Hard Drive

• Video Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB GDDR6X
• Power Supply: 750 Watt 80Plus Gold Power Supply

I feel like that's a weird combo for a 3080, but I don't actually know that the CPU isn't up to it. 12 threads is fine, I just think that clock speed is pretty low. I also don't know anything about that brand, but I figured I'd throw it up here if anyone is curious and wants to look into it.

Edit: I somehow missed that the description doesn't match what they have in their title. Seems sorta shady or just sloppy. I dunno.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Oh yeah, there was already reports foreshadowing this near the end of last month, but now it's official. SLI and Crossfire are effectively dead. NVIDIA won't be supporting it at all, anymore, not that they've given a shit for the past 5 years or so:
The End of SLI As We Know It

Probably a good thing. I always had mixed results with dual gpus.

 

[Madmick]

Hmm. So I randomly figured I'd peruse Newegg and noticed this: https://www.newegg.com/clx-tgvsetrth0923bm/p/3D5-000B-00189?Description=RTX 3080&cm_re=RTX_3080-_-9SIABFSC5X3146-_-Product

• Processor: Liquid-Cooled Intel Core i7 10400 2.9GHz (8 Cores)

• Chipset: Intel H410

• Memory: 32GB DDR4 - 2 x 16GB (2 slots total, 64GB Max)

• Hard Drives: 480GB SSD + 3TB Hard Drive

• Video Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB GDDR6X
• Power Supply: 750 Watt 80Plus Gold Power Supply

I feel like that's a weird combo for a 3080, but I don't actually know that the CPU isn't up to it. 12 threads is fine, I just think that clock speed is pretty low. I also don't know anything about that brand, but I figured I'd throw it up here if anyone is curious and wants to look into it.

Edit: I somehow missed that the description doesn't match what they have in their title. Seems sorta shady or just sloppy. I dunno.

They mislisted the CPU. There is no i7-10400. It's either an i5-10400 or an i7-10700. It says 8 cores, so I assume the latter.

This series of downclocked, locked CPUs were always Intel's CPUs aimed at bringing the closest thing to enthusiast-level gaming power to gamers who don't want to fuss with fancy CPU coolers, extra case fans, or fan-ramping tweaks that keep noise down with higher-frequency Intel CPUs that demand more boisterous cooling. This is why that stock clock is so low. They all turbo much more aggressively (similar to laptop CPUs). The i5-10400 peaks at 4.3 GHz. The i7-10700 peaks at a whopping 4.8 GHz.

That CPU has more than enough oomph to pair nicely with the RTX 3080. You could pair a far inferior CPU without any sort of throttling issues across most games. The whack thing about the build is the fact they're liquid-cooling the CPU. Sometimes these prebuilds by the low-margin custom builders are whack, but in this case, it's a testament to just how lost Intel is this gen. Their CPUs are furnaces, and that CPU misses the point of its sole reason for existence.

SMH.