Gable Steveson will murder Tom Asspinall

[Ares Black]

To be fair Gane was also about a minute away from beating Ngannou

True

but went for some dumb submission, got reversed

You have the order mixed up. He got reversed and then went for the submission.

and lost the decisive round so he was probably the best available HW for Jones to fight at the time.

Agreed. And he completely shit the bed. I think a rematch with Jones would go very differently.

Him tuning up Tom before the eye poke is another indication of that.

Except that didn't actually happen. The round was pretty even before the eye poke.

 

[Koro_11]

True

You have the order mixed up. He got reversed and then went for the submission.

Agreed. And he completely shit the bed. I think a rematch with Jones would go very differently.

Except that didn't actually happen. The round was pretty even before the eye poke.

I don’t know what you were watching but I saw Gane pretty much having his way with him and making it his kind of fight.

Of course the fight can always turn with one strike, but if it kept going the way it was going Gane was on the path to victory.

 

[Ares Black]

I don’t know what you were watching but I saw Gane pretty much having his way with him and making it his kind of fight.

You should probably rewatch it

Of course the fight can always turn with one strike, but if it kept going the way it was going Gane was on the path to victory.

He was arguably winning the first round. That's about it.

 

[Koro_11]

You should probably rewatch it

He was arguably winning the first round. That's about it.

OK, well since that’s all we have to go by then that’s all we have to go by. I didn’t claim he would have beat him for sure, just that he was beating him up to that point, which you yourself agree with, I guess we just disagree on how one sided it was.

 

[Ares Black]

OK, well since that’s all we have to go by then that’s all we have to go by. I didn’t claim he would have beat him for sure, just that he was beating him up to that point, which you yourself agree with, I guess we just disagree on how one sided it was.

It was a competitive round that wasn't finished yet. Aspinall easily could have still won the round or even abruptly ended the fight.

I don't think the eye poke was unintentional either. Gane was feeling the pressure.

 

[Koro_11]

It was a competitive round that wasn't finished yet. Aspinall easily could have still won the round or even abruptly ended the fight.

I don't think the eye poke was unintentional either. Gane was feeling the pressure.

Not what I remember but I’ll rewatch it.

 

[Last Falconry]

Still feels like he's going to have a change of heart again and try to be a professional disc golfer or something

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

Aspinall can’t stand with these sloppy hands!

 

[dipstickjimmy]

tom aspinal fought pav for the interim belt
interim belt is not the real belt

you mean pav who lost to journeyman volkov?

and you mean gane that tom cant even beat?

tom aspinal has the belt because it was given to him

now you gonna pretend he won the real belt?
are you gonna accuse me of lying?lmfao
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You are factually correct. Doesn't make you right. I get that you aren't capable of understanding beyond a Binary Yes/No, Black/White world.

Question for you: How is Tom supposed to win the "Undisputed" title when the guy holding that title refuses to fight him? Jon said he would fight Alex but not Tom. You seem to see that as Tom "Didn't win it." I see it as Tom won it by making Jon so scared he gave it up. Tom literally took the title from Jon without ever throwing a punch. That is far greater than a one punch KO.

Here is the Binary equation you might (but likely will choose not to) understand. Jon Jones had two choices:

Fight Tom Aspinal to validate his UFC HW championship lineage

or

Let Tom have the title.

Those were Jon's two choices and we know what he chose. You can't blame Tom for Jon's refusal to unify.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

To be fair Gane was also about a minute away from beating Ngannou but went for some dumb submission, got reversed and lost the decisive round so he was probably the best available HW for Jones to fight at the time.

Him tuning up Tom before the eye poke is another indication of that.

I see it very differently. Francis was literally fighting on one leg. Gane still shit the bed. Francis landed 13 strikes in the 5th against the 7 of Gane. Go look at the stats and note that there are zero strikes in the clinch or on the ground. Even without the control time Frank wins the 5th.

The partial round in Tom vs Gane is greatly exaggerated IMO. 30-27 isn't dominant. Gane bopped Tom on the nose and it bled. Why some like to act as if it was Rory MacDonald vs Robbie Lawler smashing of the nose is silly. BTW Robbie lost that round and 2 more in that fight....After Smashing Rory's nose. Tom could have easily won subsequent rounds or .....KO's Gane dead like everyone else. Gane couldn't even complete one round without resorting to fouling. He couldn't finish JDS without smashing the back of his head. Same with Tuivasa. Tom had 21 more minutes to get a finish had Gane been able to keep from fouling... but he couldn't. Gane can't finish a baguette let alone a UFC fighter.

 

[Koro_11]

I see it very differently. Francis was literally fighting on one leg. Gane still shit the bed. Francis landed 13 strikes in the 5th against the 7 of Gane. Go look at the stats and note that there are zero strikes in the clinch or on the ground. Even without the control time Frank wins the 5th.

The partial round in Tom vs Gane is greatly exaggerated IMO. 30-27 isn't dominant. Gane bopped Tom on the nose and it bled. Why some like to act as if it was Rory MacDonald vs Robbie Lawler smashing of the nose is silly. BTW Robbie lost that round and 2 more in that fight....After Smashing Rory's nose. Tom could have easily won subsequent rounds or .....KO's Gane dead like everyone else. Gane couldn't even complete one round without resorting to fouling. He couldn't finish JDS without smashing the back of his head. Same with Tuivasa. Tom had 21 more minutes to get a finish had Gane been able to keep from fouling... but he couldn't. Gane can't finish a baguette let alone a UFC fighter.

Finished Tuivasa, Black Beast, JDS and Spivac pretty well, and he was definitely winning the fight vs Tom before the foul.

Name a better HW Jones had available for the interim title fight back when Francis left. You can't, because there wasn't one, Gane was the guy.

 

[CC27]

Gotta see Gable actually fight some real guys, take a punch, what happens when he cant land a takedown and is tired after two rounds. How sloppy does his striking guy, how good is his chin?

Plus lets be real Tom wont even be here when Gable reaches the top of UFC HW div (if he makes it that far). Toms already looking for the door to do boxing.

 

[orca]

If you're going to talk about "the real belt" I don't know why you're promoting anything that's not actually beating the champion. That's the only thing that stands out, the other things are just words on a paper. And as I said, even regarding the non-interim title he did all he could to fight for it but Jon ducked him despite that uniting the titles is the only relevant thing when the title is disputed, so when comparing Tom and Jon that particular thing is a knock on Jon, not Tom.

But at least you're amusing in your obvious bias. Gane gets credit for "almost beating" Ngannou but Tom apparently downright lost to Gane in a fight that was ended because Gane fouled him. It's about as clear as lights on a Christmas tree.

if theres no champion the two best fighter fight to be the champion
jones beat the number 1 fighter at the weightclass to become the champion

aspinal won the interim belt also known as the title for the number 1 next in line

he didnt beat the number 1 guy lmfao
he didnt beat gane the number 1 guy right now as well

tell me wich fight did make him the champion

 

[orca]

You are factually correct. Doesn't make you right. I get that you aren't capable of understanding beyond a Binary Yes/No, Black/White world.

Question for you: How is Tom supposed to win the "Undisputed" title when the guy holding that title refuses to fight him? Jon said he would fight Alex but not Tom. You seem to see that as Tom "Didn't win it." I see it as Tom won it by making Jon so scared he gave it up. Tom literally took the title from Jon without ever throwing a punch. That is far greater than a one punch KO.

Here is the Binary equation you might (but likely will choose not to) understand. Jon Jones had two choices:

Fight Tom Aspinal to validate his UFC HW championship lineage

or

Let Tom have the title.

Those were Jon's two choices and we know what he chose. You can't blame Tom for Jon's refusal to unify.

ok so you acknowledge hes a paper champion
he didnt fought to win it
it was given to him

tried vs gane but cant beat gane

 

[Doctor Grudge]

ok so you acknowledge hes a paper champion
he didnt fought to win it
it was given to him

tried vs gane but cant beat gane

he's not a paper champion, he did fight to win his belt. he was the interim champion and defended his belt, the other champion refused to fight him.

the lineal champion in the UFC (Ngannou) left the UFC years ago, so it doesn't make sense to call the current champions paper champions.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

I have a strong feeling this dude cant take punch. He will eventually get hit clean as he moves up the ranks and have to fight real MF's, but I just have a feeling he doesnt react well to getting punched in the face. Ive seen it too many times with athletes like him.

this 100%

he had a MMA start / training start years ago, before he tried WWE. I think that was the sign that he couldn't take a punch and didn't like it.

he has gone full 180 and competed now, but that's going to be the key.

can he actually take a punch from a HW that is actually a fighter?

 

[El Fernas]

How is Aspinall a paper champion? I assume you don't consider Jon a paper champion yet he simply won a vacant title against his perfect style match up. An opponent who was never a champion himself. He never defended that paper title against a current #1 contender. He had to be stripped of that title rather than defend and unify against the Reigning, Defending Interim UFC HW champion.

Jon had one adverse opponent and didn't even show up. That's far worse than refusing to keep fighting a kickboxer when they double eye gouge you.

Interim champion turned "Undisputed", as paper-ish as Jones' belt was.

the lineal champion in the UFC (Ngannou) left the UFC years ago, so it doesn't make sense to call the current champions paper champions.

Thats usually what sherdog does when champs dont beat the champ to get their belt.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Finished Tuivasa, Black Beast, JDS and Spivac pretty well, and he was definitely winning the fight vs Tom before the foul.

Name a better HW Jones had available for the interim title fight back when Francis left. You can't, because there wasn't one, Gane was the guy.

Pav was on a 5 fight win streak. Gane was on a 1 fight win streak.

Marginally winning the round and it wasn't over before the blatant double eye gouge. As has been stated to you in this thread Gane panics and fights dirty when he feels the pressure. That's why he Blatantly elbowed JDS in the back of the head, Standing hammer fists to the back of Tai's head. Can't remember if he was clean on Lewis or Spivak.

You and others act like Tom was irreperably damaged and on the verge of the fight ending. As if it was Rory with a smashed nose. He got a teeny little bop on the nose and it beld a little.

Blaydes or Pav or Tom were all better tests for Jon. They all posed some level of threat. Gane poses ZERO threat to Jon. Jon was literally handed the HW title on a silver platter.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Theres like 5 posters on here who literally just make the same handful of threads over and over.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Interim champion turned "Undisputed", as paper-ish as Jones' belt was.

Tom won and defended the "Interim". The fact he made Jon give him his lunch money without ever throwing a punch is the single most dominant defeat of anyone in UFC history. Tom has finishes of 5 of the current top 10. That's about as legit as a new lineage can get.