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Fury vs Wilder III in Relation to the UFC/MMA Discussion Mega Thread

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by Gracious Warrior, Oct 10, 2021.

  1. Sweater of AV Gold Belt

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    Fury-Wilder shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Ali-Frazier.

    The best MMA trilogies are probably Wandy-Rampage, GSP-Hughes and Chuck-Randy. The funniest is Tito-Ken.
     
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  2. ferrisjso "Brewer"

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    No tbh. Lol for even putting Tito v Ken on the list.

    Edgar v Gray would have to be number 1 but UFC just hasn't had many good trilogy's.
     
  3. BoD 2.0 Red Belt

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    This may be the best one
     
  4. gunlok Black Belt

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    Overeem - Werdum
     
  5. Pakman Steel Belt

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    to be fair, Big Nog was doing better in the finals of the GP than he did at Shockwave. Shockwave 04, that Fedor, would beat every single fighter that's ever competed in the sport.
     
  6. rzaraze Orange Belt

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    Came to say this. Randy x Chuck was huge at the time.
     
  7. GOATtalks Brown Belt

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    DC- Stipe is the closest we got in MMA, followed by Conor- Dustin.

    I have a feeling that Ngannou- Gane might be a trilogy in the making.

    Max- Volk could be a trilogy and maybe even a quadrology.

    Izzy-Whittaker would be an amazing trilogy if Whittaker takes the rematch
     
  8. tequilaboy Purple Belt

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    Ken vs Tito
    Saku vs Wand
     
  9. laleggenda27 Brown Belt

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    I initially addressed Cain-JDS in my post, as I do think it's the most relevant MMA trilogy we've seen, but I ultimately deleted that part of my post. So I appreciate you brining it up, and I think you have valid points. But I think Cain-JDS falls short for a couple reasons.

    First, it simply wasn't competitive enough and there weren't the major swings in momentum. The first fight was so quick that nothing really happened, aside from the one big punch JDS landed. And in retrospect, it seems pretty obvious that the outcome was a one-off (i.e., it was the literal expression of the "puncher's chance"). And the second and third fights weren't even remotely competitive or dramatic.

    Second, Fury-Wilder is simply a much more historically relevant fight. Fury was the undefeated lineal champ, while Wilder came into the trilogy with and an unprecedented undefeated record of 40-0 with 39 KOs. And although what you say about Cain and JDS was true at the moment, that was simply a product of the fact that MMA is a very young sport. I'm a JDS fan, but if we're being honest, both Cain and JDS are already slipping down the HW GOAT ladder. Boxing in its modern form has been around for over a century, with much of that time being spent in the limelight as one of the biggest sports on the planet. With all that history as context, it's historically noteworthy that Fury will most likely go down as a top 10 (or potentially higher) HW GOAT, with Wilder most likely landing comfortably in the top 20. A century from now, I can't imagine that either Cain or JDS will hold such lofty positions in MMA's historical pecking order.
     
  10. Bullitt68 Senior Moderator Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    To go old school, Bas Rutten versus Frank Shamrock is undoubtedly one of the GOAT.

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  11. Bend NvR Break Order to Chaos. Chaos to Order.

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    Frankie vs Maynard
     
  12. HankScorpio Purple Belt

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    I think 18% was just in money paid to talent. All the perks weren't rolled into that number. The perks come out of the 80% along with all the other costs. Revenue and Profit are two different things.

    The % split isn't the only thing that matters. Strikeforce had a 97% split with it's fighters, they then went out of business.
     
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  13. AL-Tappo McSnappo Yellow Belt

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    https://www.totalsportal.com/boxing/tyson-fury-vs-deontay-wilder-3-purse-payouts/

    Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder 3 Purse Payouts:
    Wilder vs Fury (First Fight): Back in December 2018 in their first fight which was a split draw decision Deontay Wilder was the A side and earned around $9m to $12m . While Tyson Fury had to be content with 40/60 share of the purse and cleared around $6.75m to $8.75m.

    Fury vs Wilder II (Second Fight): Their second fight was billed as one of the biggest heavyweight showdowns in recent history and it did well with PPV buys (generating around 850,000 ppv sales only in the US and another 400,000 in the UK). Both Fury and Wilder shared the purse and PPV revenue on 50/50 basis clearing minimum of $25 million each.

    Fury vs Wilder III (Third Fight): However for the third fight both fighters will be a taking a pay cut so to speak considering the hype around the fight is not as much as the first rematch. That is largely down to the fact that many believe Fury have been so dominant in the first two fights that third fight is not actually needed. For many experts wilder has realistically won only 2 of the 19 round between the two rest were either dominated by Fury or could have gone either way. So promoters are not expecting same PPV numbers as their second fight resulting in less revenue and ultimately less purse for both.

    However it will still be bigger purse than the first bout and if third fight can generate around 500,000 ppv buys in the US and another 300,000 in the UK both fighters will earn around $12 to 15 million easily. Thing to be noted here is that Fury is the A side heading into the third fight and will take home 60/40 split in his favor.


    FIGHTERS
    PURSE DETAILS
    T.FURY $10 million guaranteed plus share of PPV revenue depending on PPV buys numbers. Set to clear between $12 to 15 million.
    D. WILDER $8 million guaranteed plus share of PPV revenue. Might clear btween $10 to $12 million.
     
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  14. pick999 Gold Belt

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    Ufc isnt a career bro
     
  15. rjmbrd Gold Belt

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    You would be categorically incorrect.

    It includes every single penny attributed to line items under fighter pay - every PPV bonus, every discretionary bonus, the cost of the insurance plan and more recently the performance institute. This is public record and not up for debate, its a fact and widely published. Please look this up yourself, don't take my word for it.


    We also know from financial filings that the UFC is having, literally, record profits.

    This is after earn outs in the tens of millions and a 50mm/year management fee going to Endeavor.

    There is plenty of money, the UFC is just keeping all of it. UFC fighters are getting pennies on the dollar.
     
  16. smooth assassin Black Belt

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    You guys keep acting like Tyson got paid for the fighting, we bought tickets to watch his after fight singing
     
  17. Combat Sports Analyst Banned Banned

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    Depends how good his TDD will be. He will be washed up too soon
     
  18. Tomas Red Belt

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    Just because somebody "should have lost" or it "should have ended" because of one decisive win doesn't make it trash or any less of a trilogy. Regardless of how the fights got made or who won, they all had great stories to them. You can pretty much downplay any fight if you really want to.

    These aren't valid reasons for a "trash" trilogy. Hence why the vast majority believe it to be an all time great trilogy.
     
  19. Combat Sports Analyst Banned Banned

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    Boxers would do horrible in mma. How are they gonna handle kicks and the grappling
     
  20. AnotherOldGuy Black Belt

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    Exactly -- the actual athletic HW size guys in other sports don't think it'd be nearly as easy to win a boxing HW championship (and the tens of millions that comes with it) as fans think. That is, those athletic guys think the HW division is anything but terrible.
     

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