Fury by KO

[shadowmanifold]

I am a Fury fan and would love to see this. Not an Usyk fan at all. I just don't see it though. Usyk to me looks like he has mastered the art of EPO microdosing. His conditioning and recovery are just super human.
I just don't see how Fury at 36 is going to have the gas tank to turn up the output earlier in the fight without getting smoked even worse in the later rounds in this fight.
If anything, I could see Fury getting KOed. Fury can't just give away early rounds from lack of output but that is just going to make the latter part of the fight all the harder for him.

 

[shadowmanifold]

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AI judging? Damn thas genius. And could solve all judging issues, not that there was a judging issue with Fury v Usyk 1, but I mean in general. Then we can determine say, okay is it just 'more punches landed' and have AI and compubox work together and give a definitive answer - most in most rounds, overall, whatever.

It's not affecting the result here, but they're debuting and testing it.

It is an absolutely terrible idea IMO. If this becomes a thing it would really ruin boxing because it quickly be gamed. Effective Aggression and Ring Generalship are subjective judgements. They would essentially be thrown out. What makes boxing great is that things aren't much different from a fight a 100 years ago. Turning boxing into a computer vision scored punching contest would be beyond stupid unless you want to see 10X more jabs.

 

[SandisLL]

I am a Fury fan and would love to see this. Not an Usyk fan at all. I just don't see it though. Usyk to me looks like he has mastered the art of EPO microdosing. His conditioning and recovery are just super human.
I just don't see how Fury at 36 is going to have the gas tank to turn up the output earlier in the fight without getting smoked even worse in the later rounds in this fight.
If anything, I could see Fury getting KOed. Fury can't just give away early rounds from lack of output but that is just going to make the latter part of the fight all the harder for him.

This is exaggregated stuff and most likely empty accusations because real facts that this Usyk had almost all his notable high level am and pro fights on foreign soil...in pros mainly vs tickets sellers. So there little problems to test samples, wraps, gloves etc...easy and with a glance without any big problems.
Additionally damn a lot of cameras around everywhere.
Usyk ofc long ago is over the hill hovewer he is Great. Obiviously his main problem for western boxing fans is his origin and passport not his quality as boxer. Combat sport fans are tribal and nationalistic.

 

[SandisLL]

Usyk peak prime was WBSS in CW.

I had to see one fight when I had decision that Usyk is over the hill. This was fight he had win.
Switch off sound, adjust replay speed to 0.5 for video and watch Whiterspoon vs Usyk fight with 0 sound. Carefully and think. A lot to think....

All stuff after this Usyk had achieved was cos he is Great despite over the hill.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Usyk to me looks like he has mastered the art of EPO microdosing. His conditioning and recovery are just super human.

I'm an Usyk fan but even I've wondered how he's able to fully recover so quickly after a beating to the body like Joshua gave him late in their rematch. He came out the very next round like it never even happened and then swept the last few rounds of the fight. His stamina wasn't affected which does raise an eyebrow. In his defense though he's never tested positive for a PED. Not even in the amateurs and he went to the Worlds & Olympics multiple times.

 

[mozfonky]

I'm an Usyk fan but even I've wondered how he's able to fully recover so quickly after a beating to the body like Joshua gave him late in their rematch. He came out the very next round like it never even happened and then swept the last few rounds of the fight. His stamina wasn't affected which does raise an eyebrow. In his defense though he's never tested positive for a PED. Not even in the amateurs and he went to the Worlds & Olympics multiple times.

His punch output wasn't that great in the fury fight, so, I dunno. could be, ped's are rampant in the sport and no one wants to admit it.

 

[mozfonky]

It is an absolutely terrible idea IMO. If this becomes a thing it would really ruin boxing because it quickly be gamed. Effective Aggression and Ring Generalship are subjective judgements. They would essentially be thrown out. What makes boxing great is that things aren't much different from a fight a 100 years ago. Turning boxing into a computer vision scored punching contest would be beyond stupid unless you want to see 10X more jabs.

things are much different than a hundred years ago, the gloves, the rules, the styles and posture of fighters. It all makes it quite different than what we are used to. Put todays boxer in one of those fights with the lack of enforcement and they'd probably whine a lot.

 

[Blastbeat]

I am a Fury fan and would love to see this. Not an Usyk fan at all. I just don't see it though. Usyk to me looks like he has mastered the art of EPO microdosing. His conditioning and recovery are just super human.
I just don't see how Fury at 36 is going to have the gas tank to turn up the output earlier in the fight without getting smoked even worse in the later rounds in this fight.
If anything, I could see Fury getting KOed. Fury can't just give away early rounds from lack of output but that is just going to make the latter part of the fight all the harder for him.

you dont need to take EPO to have good conditioning
you left out how Fury bloats up and cuts down big in between fights. also drinks a shit ton, has done a lot of coke, etc. that all takes a toll on a person.
by all accounts, Usyk stays on the straight and narrow. its amazing how well the body can hold up into old age if you take care of yourself.

 

[Blastbeat]

things are much different than a hundred years ago, the gloves, the rules, the styles and posture of fighters. It all makes it quite different than what we are used to. Put todays boxer in one of those fights with the lack of enforcement and they'd probably whine a lot.

you are still here after over a hundred years watching boxing?
whats your secret? clearly youve found the fountain of youth.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

His punch output wasn't that great in the fury fight, so, I dunno. could be, ped's are rampant in the sport and no one wants to admit it.

I know but that's not what was suspicious. Watch the Joshua rematch from like round 8 onward. Usyk took a hellacious beating to the body for what seemed like an entire round. He came out the very next like it didn't happen and then proceeded to win all of the remaining rounds. If anything he actually looked more energized when it should've slowed him to a crawl. That's the natural expectation after Joshua, a big puncher and the much bigger man, attacked his body relentlessly. It's supposed to break a fighter down.

Yeah, PEDs are rampant in boxing. Fury has already popped for one so whether Usyk is on something or not doesn't really matter. I'm expecting Fury to have cycled PEDs for the rematch. Fighters stack them for a synergistic effect. One complements another and so on.

 

[mozfonky]

I know but that's not what was suspicious. Watch the Joshua rematch from like round 8 onward. Usyk took a hellacious beating to the body for what seemed like an entire round. He came out the very next like it didn't happen and then proceeded to win all of the remaining rounds. If anything he actually looked more energized when it should've slowed him to a crawl. That's the natural expectation after Joshua, a big puncher and the much bigger man, attacked his body relentlessly. It's supposed to break a fighter down.

Yeah, PEDs are rampant in boxing. Fury has already popped for one so whether Usyk is on something or not doesn't really matter. I'm expecting Fury to have cycled PEDs for the rematch. Fighters stack them for a synergistic effect. One complements another and so on.

very possible, I always will believe Pac was loaded with ped's during his short post Oscar prime. Mayweather was correct to be suspicous, no human being has ever done it like that and mayweather woulda got his ass handed to him and he knew it.

Of course, no one admits it even when it's obvious as a kid with chocolate all over his face saying, "i didn't eat it". Even Holyfield has claimed the clean living, christian bullshit when asked.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

very possible, I always will believe Pac was loaded with ped's during his short post Oscar prime. Mayweather was correct to be suspicous, no human being has ever done it like that and mayweather woulda got his ass handed to him and he knew it.

Of course, no one admits it even when it's obvious as a kid with chocolate all over his face saying, "i didn't eat it". Even Holyfield has claimed the clean living, christian bullshit when asked.

Pac did raise a lot of red flags. From his ability to put on weight and stay so lean while moving up many divisions to his superhuman punch output. Like I said before he was spamming power punches like they were jabs and could actually maintain it. With Holyfield he basically got caught redhanded by a SI reporter working alongside the feds. That pseudonym "Evan Fields" was really obvious and reportedly when they called the number listed for the dope he answered.

 

[mozfonky]

Pac did raise a lot of red flags. From his ability to put on weight and stay so lean while moving up many divisions to his superhuman punch output. Like I said before he was spamming power punches like they were jabs and could actually maintain it. With Holyfield he basically got caught redhanded by a SI reporter working alongside the feds. That pseudonym "Evan Fields" was really obvious and reportedly when they called the number listed for the dope he answered.

yup, but he never admitted it, no one does. they will tell you they took some protein powder or someone slipped them something unawares. That's one thing I agree with bas rutten 100 percent, if you have to take that, "you're a loser". I know we had some great fighters taking the shit but it's major cheating.

 

[Superzorro]

I am a Fury fan and would love to see this. Not an Usyk fan at all. I just don't see it though. Usyk to me looks like he has mastered the art of EPO microdosing. His conditioning and recovery are just super human.
I just don't see how Fury at 36 is going to have the gas tank to turn up the output earlier in the fight without getting smoked even worse in the later rounds in this fight.
If anything, I could see Fury getting KOed. Fury can't just give away early rounds from lack of output but that is just going to make the latter part of the fight all the harder for him.

Yeah, Usyk took a while to figure him out in the first fight. Fury's one chance was when he hurt him badly with that uppercut. But now that Usyk has Fury figured out, he should be able to pretty easily KO him. Fury is extremely slow, clumsy and unathletic. He was never going to respond well to someone whose nimble and moves around as much as Usyk.

very possible, I always will believe Pac was loaded with ped's during his short post Oscar prime. Mayweather was correct to be suspicous, no human being has ever done it like that and mayweather woulda got his ass handed to him and he knew it.

Of course, no one admits it even when it's obvious as a kid with chocolate all over his face saying, "i didn't eat it". Even Holyfield has claimed the clean living, christian bullshit when asked.

I disagree. Back then Mayweather was destroying so many elite fighters in sparring, that it's impossible for me to envision that his ego would even begin allow him to believe another fighter was better than him. That's one thing that fighters and trainers who were around at that time never wanted to talk about. That's why prime DLH and Mosley looked the other way when he was calling them out. He looked way more vulnerable in his fights than he did in the gym. With Pacquiao, it was the opposite. Pacquiao was having wars in sparring with much lesser fighters like Victor Ortiz. I think Mayweather knew that no one who struggles tactically against Erik Morales would be able to hold a candle to him-- especially when you consider how much height and reach they would be giving up. He would have a field day with that. To beat prime Mayweather, height and reach advantage is almost like a prerequisite.
I think Mayweather knew for a fact that he would be able to toy with an entirely clean Pacquiao. It's just that his arrogance wouldn't allow for him to concede an inch in those negotiations.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

yup, but he never admitted it, no one does. they will tell you they took some protein powder or someone slipped them something unawares. That's one thing I agree with bas rutten 100 percent, if you have to take that, "you're a loser". I know we had some great fighters taking the shit but it's major cheating.

The whole tainted supplements excuse or sabotage are the two most common ones I've heard. There are supplements that have been inadvertently tainted when they were manufactured but too many fighters automatically run with it to explain their positive test results. It's become a meme in boxing & MMA.

 

[mozfonky]

The whole tainted supplements excuse or sabotage are the two most common ones I've heard. There are supplements that have been inadvertently tainted when they were manufactured but too many fighters automatically run with it to explain their positive test results. It's become a meme in boxing & MMA.

some reason, men have an ego thing, just don't want to admit they didn't do everything on their own.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

some reason, men have an ego thing, just don't want to admit they didn't do everything on their own.

That's because they think people will immediately assume that they were doing it just to gain an unfair advantage. However, in some cases they may've only done PEDs to try and level the playing field in a division full of dopers.

 

[Chaotic Progressor]

very possible, I always will believe Pac was loaded with ped's during his short post Oscar prime. Mayweather was correct to be suspicous, no human being has ever done it like that and mayweather woulda got his ass handed to him and he knew it.

Of course, no one admits it even when it's obvious as a kid with chocolate all over his face saying, "i didn't eat it". Even Holyfield has claimed the clean living, christian bullshit when asked.

Who? Evan Fields?

 

[Chaotic Progressor]

Yeah, Usyk took a while to figure him out in the first fight. Fury's one chance was when he hurt him badly with that uppercut. But now that Usyk has Fury figured out, he should be able to pretty easily KO him. Fury is extremely slow, clumsy and unathletic. He was never going to respond well to someone whose nimble and moves around as much as Usyk.


I disagree. Back then Mayweather was destroying so many elite fighters in sparring, that it's impossible for me to envision that his ego would even begin allow him to believe another fighter was better than him. That's one thing that fighters and trainers who were around at that time never wanted to talk about. That's why prime DLH and Mosley looked the other way when he was calling them out. He looked way more vulnerable in his fights than he did in the gym. With Pacquiao, it was the opposite. Pacquiao was having wars in sparring with much lesser fighters like Victor Ortiz. I think Mayweather knew that no one who struggles tactically against Erik Morales would be able to hold a candle to him-- especially when you consider how much height and reach they would be giving up. He would have a field day with that. To beat prime Mayweather, height and reach advantage is almost like a prerequisite.
I think Mayweather knew for a fact that he would be able to toy with an entirely clean Pacquiao. It's just that his arrogance wouldn't allow for him to concede an inch in those negotiations.

Sometimes Fury is slow and clumsy. In the first Usyk fight he was moving pretty well, some of his best footwork I've seen and decent head movement. Also wasted a lot of energy trying to throw Usyk off with feints though, had no effect.

 

[mozfonky]

Who? Evan Fields?

Love evander but people calling themselves christian often have something to hide.