FRAUD CHECK! Seriously, who does he wrestle and jitz with?

[mister piscadinha]

I was more shocked that Khamzat never went for the kimora nor the Americana while he had DDP in a mounted crucifix…BJJ wise Khamzat seems like he lacks submissions but that’s really none of my business.

americana is a strength based submission, hard to pull off on a strong guy like ddp

 

[mister piscadinha]

With his footwork and high guard, he'll never have great tdd. He has in the past shown decent scrambling, though, and decent ability to wrestle back up. Khamzat's is just a special grappler on top.

DDP's coaches said they traveled to train with famous Russians in prep for khamzat's style, and that ddp was escaping the worst positions within 15-30 second with them. Clearly not every good Russian grappler is khamzat, though.

That said, after the fight ddp's coach made it clear that they are making big changes and that he's in contact with people all around the world willing to help fix dricus's issues. They're basically spending the next 4 months travelling to better grapplers and working solely on his ability to wrestle back up before they even accept the next fight. We'll see how it goes. Now that they've felt khamzat, they should have a better idea of what they need from training partners. I don't think he has peaked yet. If he can improve his ability to wrestle back up, it will be a game changer for him.

he has the ability to wrestle back up, but even that is predicated a lot on his athleticism

he REALLY lacks defensive grappling

against khamzat he barely even try to wrestle up, just accepted being on bottom as if he was waiting for khamzat to get tired

but a top grappler aint getting tired unless you make him get tired by forcing him to drag you back down over and over

i dont think his coach is that good. dricus should go to america, australia or anywhere else with good mma gyms

and this "we'll be better prepared next time" mentality sucks too, like, why didnt they prepare enough for this one?
take JDM as example, he was getting taken down by durinho, saw it as a weakness and corrected to the point of outgrappling a superior wrestler in belal
thats how champions should act, not waiting till you lose to start adressing your weaknesses

 

[fortheo]

he has the ability to wrestle back up, but even that is predicated a lot on his athleticism

he REALLY lacks defensive grappling

against khamzat he barely even try to wrestle up, just accepted being on bottom as if he was waiting for khamzat to get tired

but a top grappler aint getting tired unless you make him get tired by forcing him to drag you back down over and over

i dont think his coach is that good. dricus should go to america, australia or anywhere else with good mma gyms

and this "we'll be better prepared next time" mentality sucks too, like, why didnt they prepare enough for this one?
take JDM as example, he was getting taken down by durinho, saw it as a weakness and corrected to the point of outgrappling a superior wrestler in belal
thats how champions should act, not waiting till you lose to start adressing your weaknesses

His coach is aware they need outside help, that's why they're going to other coaches, as I said. It's been easy for them to think they know what is best up till now because they were winning for the past decade. Lets hope this loss is an eye opener, and lets hope they have a better idea what help to use now.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

That was absolutely the MOST horrific title defense ever!

C'mon sherpimps, he is it!

WAR BORZ

Lol


He wasnt out jitz'd

Just out wrestled..

Which is Khamzat's only trick...

Hence no real submission attempts or victory
..during the fight..


Thats like saying... Ha your training partners isnt a caucus wrestler...u must suck...

Meanwhile over half the world isnt training with that level of wrestler ..

Khamzat was supposed to dominate the wrestling.... it's his only way...

 

[Rallarsvingare]

I dont think the main issue was the wrestling I think the main issue is that DDP looked like a whitebelt. He did the complete opposite when he was on the bottom than he was supposed to do. He lacked the basic grappling skills thats needed.

He will never be a better wrestler than Khamzat but a higher level of BJJ would open up for some scrambles and a better opportunity to get back up. DDP did defend every submission attempt but did nothing to improve his position. When in bottom side he should have tried to regain guard, or at least dig for the underhook and to try to get back up. When in turtle he needed to get try to break the grips, he could also attempt submissions like kimura and leglocks from turtle, I dont expect him to submit Khamzat but it would start a scramble.

 

[Tito Tapped]

"we put him in terrible positions and he gets up in 30 seconds but we never practiced crusifix"

 

[STAY GOLD]

I was more shocked that Khamzat never went for the kimora nor the Americana while he had DDP in a mounted crucifix…BJJ wise Khamzat seems like he lacks submissions but that’s really none of my business.

He would have to take a big risk and let go of the crucifix to go for a Kimura.

 

[Pierced7681]

ddp is a good grappler offensively but defensively he sucks BAD

he keeps a high guard, reacts slowly and has a bad sprawl

in the ground his guard sucks, he has no sweeps or guard retention, lacks defensive bjj

he's basically a very physically imposing bjj blue belt

Black belt top game/submissions off scrambles. Likely never plays guard much in the gym

 

[mister piscadinha]

Black belt top game/submissions off scrambles. Likely never plays guard much in the gym

most mma black belts dont seem legit to me, dricus is no real black belt

 

[188912345]

I think the biggest issue was that DDP looks to be like a really big muscular guy, and i dont think he has that side to side agility needed to defend those takedowns and sprawl backwards, then move side to side in either direction if the opponent starts to turn him after a sprawl.



Thats just my thoughts, i think you need reaction time and good agility mixed with that wrestling defense to be able to properly defend against a guy like Khamzat who chains takedowns.

I remember in the lead up to the fight when so many people said Dricus would be too strong for Khamzat to take down or control, or that he would run out of gas after a round of doing it.

Dricus even gained some more muscle for this fight.

Dricus and his coach also emphasized his physical strength, that Khamzat shouldn't be able to do to Dricus what he did to Rob or Usman due to the size and strength.

It seemed like they didn't really understand what they were watching when they were analyzing those previous performances.

Some of us made the argument that strength is only a small part of the equation, and that the eventual strength difference is way less than the difference in technique, agility, balance, speed, etc, and we were proved right.

 

[USA!USA!]

No one.

Needs a better camp to stay at the top. Or needs to bring in better guys

His coaches obviously failed him as well - he was not prepared for that.

 

[JBJ was here]

It seemed to me that it was less of a skill issue and more of a very bad gameplan. It seemed that his camp resigned that Dricus would get taken down and shouldn't even try to defend it very much. I'm not sure he really ever even got an underhook when Khamzat shot for a takedown.

DDP didn't get underhooks or have any idea what to do with his feet, which is why once they were sweaty Khamzat slid around to back control multiple times in the course of taking DDP down.

IF DDP trained any wrestling in camp, it was thumb wrestling.

 

[Morris88]

Thats all?

Well shit.

Just don't get wrestled and punch face?


Love it.


Reminds me of the old days watching PPVs at Hooters

"I'd just get up and punch him in the face!!"

Deffo mate, Derrick Lewis school of Kung Fu

 

[jeff7b9]

Deffo mate, Derrick Lewis school of Kung Fu

Gameplan:

[X] stand up
[X] Punch face

 

[shunyata]

Eye contact

Who knew that was the ultimate counter to the oil check?

You gotta smash your pelvis into their face too.

 

[helltoupee]

I think this is a very good post brother. Two good observations, firstly around Khamzats chain wrestling. Can't remember which round it was but Dricus managed to defend a TD, his back was more or less against the cage and Khamzat just sort of backed up and then lunged in again and got him..

Second point is about Khamzats vulnerability in the stand up, you're absolutely right, at one point it looked like Dricus hurt him with a basic 1-2 that was also laboured and sloppy.

He was exceptionally dominant in the fight but you could see a route to victory against Borz, if someone is able to defend his takedown, is prepared for the chain wrestling/second shot, and who can score on the feet after that sequence.

You are delusional if you think a basic 1-2, once. In a 25 minute fight, hurt Khamzat. How many significant strikes did DDP have? Zero?

The cope is real. DDP got embarrassed and outclassed.

 

[jeff7b9]

You gotta smash your pelvis into their face too.

Fuck yeah.

If someone actually won via groin thrusts that would be a baller ass way to win an MMA fight.

Especially if it was premeditated, like they wore a steel cup and planned to work for North South or crucifix to implement that game plan.

Some dude tried to use groin thrusts and weaponize his cup in a UFC fight about a year ago I think. And it was allowed .. so I guess it's legal, or the ref just decided "yeah that's too awkward, I'm not telling a grown man not to hump another dudes face on camera."