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Which MMA promotion/organization do you think Ngannou will sign with?


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You mean like the hundred posters? There's not many people posting in these threads.
Well, to be fair, anytime you say "hardcore MMA fans" you're talking about a small amount of ppl who eat above their weight class in Cheetos.

But they do exert trickle down social influence to the less hardcore.... a bit.....

Maybe. A little....
 
Cool... so in a few years , when they announce the fight... Jones and Ngannou will also be able to take out 100% of their 401k..
 
People are sleeping on Stipe so much

Honestly if he didn't drop his fight IQ in the rematch against Francis by thinking he had him hurt, he might have finished Francis in the later rounds.

4th and 5th round Stipe is dangerous

I am picking him to beat Jones.
 
By the time the dust settles

Francis and Jones will be 40+

These two will not fight and we need to let it go
More or less yeah. Always have to strike while irons hot. Otherwise, when shit does get done, nobody cares anymore or folks are old.

This nate vs Paul fight for example, Paul is bigger, younger, and i don't understand why Diaz is known as having a chin. He gets dropped.
 
Jones has said it. He would only entertain not retiring for a Ngannou fight.
Dana has no choice but to make peace with Francis and make that fight once Miocic has been taken out.

“I do believe a Francis Ngannou fight would be worth entertaining not retiring,” Jones added. “I think a Francis fight would come with some serious revenue and that would make it worth my while. Francis is a former champion, he’s pretty damn popular here in America and across the world. It would bring in a lot of money and for that I would be willing to come back."
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/mma/eddie-hearn-tyson-fury-news-29879446
Francis isn't really a "Former" champion. Didn't Jon say DC wasn't really a champion because Jon never lost? So Jon isn't really a Champion at HW. Basically just a place holder in Frank's name.
 
Plot twist: Ngannou is not signing PFL, is signing UFC all along.
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Jones has said it. He would only entertain not retiring for a Ngannou fight.
Dana has no choice but to make peace with Francis and make that fight once Miocic has been taken out.

“I do believe a Francis Ngannou fight would be worth entertaining not retiring,” Jones added. “I think a Francis fight would come with some serious revenue and that would make it worth my while. Francis is a former champion, he’s pretty damn popular here in America and across the world. It would bring in a lot of money and for that I would be willing to come back."
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/mma/eddie-hearn-tyson-fury-news-29879446

I can't see him doing that for Francis because of how things ended. The only figher that Dana bent over for was Conor but he was also gaining a lot from it as well in terms of using Conor's popularity to grow the UFC' brand
 
Dude he's never going to fight a big name boxer he's a nobody in the boxing world. This isn't Conor
Weird. I didn't know we had nostradamus on sherdog. Can you give me any useful financial information about the future? What will bitcoin be at in 2030? Will Tesla be profitable within 5 years?
 
I don't speculate as much as you and Sherdog do - this kind of wild speculation is useless to me.



If I stick to known facts, it looks like this:



Francis didn't want to stay with the UFC for $12m over 3 fights - he felt (1) he was worth more and (2) he wanted more freedom to box, etc. and (3) he didn't like how he was treated by the UFC.



This is his job. So he went and applied elsewhere. He got offered "20m guaranteed" by ONE and turned it down almost before meeting - what does this tell me? A lot.



He is *rumoured* to have signed with who he turned down the alleged 20m deal for and (1) his trainer says that deal is for the kind of money he wanted. (2) And it is *rumoured* to have a boxing component. (3) And, presumably, Francis does not expect to be treated as poorly by them.



That's all we do know so far. And by any objective measure (comparing his three dissatisfaction points with his UFC deal, with those same points under this rumoured PFL deal) this is a great improvement in his work life.



At this point we don't know what the PFL offer is, but I don't believe he left $12m at the UFC for 3 fights to score $20m for 10+ fights and brand work when he retires for a smaller org. The ONLY reason I'd believe this is because one random poster on Sherdog feels this way.



I'd be an idiot if I formed my beliefs not based on known facts and disclosures, but on the feelings and suspicions of one admittedly uninformed (you have no inside knowledge of what PFL offered) Sherdog poster. Hopefully you can credit me for forming my opinions more wisely than that, lol?
I don't for a second believe One offered 20 million plus you are seemingly taking Chatri at his word without question. You can absolutely believe the PFL deal will potentially satisfy several of Frank's issues but match or improve upon the UFCs monetarily? Nope.
 
The UFC is its own revenue machine. Other orgs would have to sign francis to generate more revenue. I dont think francis can create 20 million of revenue. PFL is probably more popular than One and they pay their champs 1mil. Francis would be better off staying away from MMA and try to score a boxing fight if he is expecting $$
 
Big ass thread, must have been the 100 Ngannou threads in the past week, including the idiotic, thinly veiled Francis thread Mike created lmao
 
You want in <45>
I’ll heat up the dagistani tub!
We’ll party till living death.

I confused him for a woman, I swear! He had a vagina! Right..... 2023..... right...... fuuuuuck........ shit.....
Hmm u sure u checked well? The ancient craft of tucking has reached surprising innovations.
 
I don't for a second believe One offered 20 million plus you are seemingly taking Chatri at his word without question. You can absolutely believe the PFL deal will potentially satisfy several of Frank's issues but match or improve upon the UFCs monetarily? Nope.
I am absolutely not taking Chatri at his word! That's why I put it in quotes every time I say it. I don't know what "20m guaranteed" means once you remove the quotes. I'm working with the info I do know. I know Francis was offered "20m guaranteed" by Chatri but I don't know if that's a REAL WORLD 10m, 12m, or what. No clue, just to be clear.

Do I believe that PFL can offer him more than the UFC's 12m? Yes. Do I believe they did? I don't know. But I know that whatever they offered was so good that Francis went to hear out Chatri and his "20m guaranteed" offer only out of courtesy and said he basically started off the meeting by warning that he wasn't likely to be swayed. And he wasn't.

So I don't claim to know ANY numbers and I want to be clear about that. But I know that Francis left the UFC for reasons that are NOT monetary, according to him. You and I agree that those non-monetary reasons will likely be addressed far better under this alleged PFL deal than under UFC. So if that's why he left and that improves considerably, this is a win for him.

To also score more $ would be a double win. I don't know if he did or didn't. I expect he probably did, yes. But I have no way of knowing. What I do know is man is winning by addressing his bigger concerns and getting his soul out from under a man he didn't love working with. It's his life and this is what he wanted. And he got it. So man is winning by achieving more and more of his goals.

He wanted to be UFC champ and he got that. Then he wanted to box and he can keep working on that but he's getting the contractual right to do that - that's a HUGE step closer. Then he wanted to part ways with the UFC and he got that - WITH them having to make an offer they must have hated to make to him after all that time - an offer he simply refused. These are all wins to me.

There are VERY few fighters who have gotten these three things. Conor is the only man who got the first 2, and he did that with the UFC's help and good for him. If Francis gets a boxing fight he will be the first UFC champ to ever do that on his own terms and steam, and good for him.

I also think it's at least likely that he gets a bump in pay and I think that's a win-win for him.

To me, this is a masterclass in going for what you want and achieving at a high rate. To me, this is what winning looks like if you're Francis and want what he wants.

Just keep in mind what we all said when he snubbed his nose at the UFC - he will fail to achieve his goals and will REGRET leaving what he left.

Let's let time do the talking. I'm pretty sure he already has the opposite of regret. But let's let time do the talking.

I think the "losing" the fans are speaking of is factual and real - but it's entirely misplaced. I think we lack the self-awareness or self-honesty to admit that the losing is only ours. We lose some matchups we wanted to see in the UFC so we project that loss onto Francis so we don't have to admit we're losing. Is normal for humans. We do this shit all day.
 
The UFC would never sign a 2 fight deal, especially for him. He would also be subject to tolling (which he explained how they routinely abused with him, including sending him a bout agreement with a date they knew his visa would not be renewed by) and a 5 year contract.

Aside from paying out a absolutely atrocious 18% of revenue to fighters (which includes every single penny of bonuses, PPV share, purses, insurance, travel, even the performance institute) the UFC has predatory contracts where they have ALL the power.

Francis fought out his contract and the "hE sIgNeD tHe CoNtRaCt" crowd are still complaining. Get a grip.

I'll watch Franics fight in any org because he's one of a handful heavyweight fighters on planet earth that is of interest to me. I could care less what the logo on the cage floor says and an announcer telling me to eat corn nuts. I watch and pay for the fighters, not the promotion.

I agree with others who've said this is a great post with really important points to consider so I'm quoting it only so that more eyes see it. Good stuff.
 
....and should've after overshooting on demands he could of easily repudiated a few demands , sign a 2 fight deal with the 1st being the Jones fight and making his bag on that fight alone.
He said he asked for a 3 fight contract with no extensions and UFC said no
 
Depends. If he flattens Jones and he doesn't get a rematch, he would have faced Stipe. Jones-Ngannou is the kind of fight that does a million buys, it was really a one of a kind thing.

And no, not guaranteed. The UFC almost never guarantees purses like that.

So speculation.
If they were to sign a contract (which they normally do) they would ve put the amount and the subsequent changes to it.
8 million is something confirmed by Ngannou himself
 
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