Elections For Canadians (and sure, Americans and others can chime in): Is this a good reason to vote Liberal in the upcoming Canada election?

[Lycandroid]

loll at you calling anyone else stupid.

Coming from the guy who after 19 pages hasn't made a single relevant comment in this thread, hasn't contributed a single counter argument to anything anyone has said just childish insults and laugh reacts.

If you have a difference of opinion why not lay it out along with the relevant facts ?

You call everyone stupid, but you are incapable of ever pointing out why they are wrong and you are right in anything resembling an articulate and convincing manner.

Handy Andy here is undoubtedly voting Liberal, because he is an impotent fool he doesn't have kids for whose future he doesn't need to worry about. He can vote for a party who is making our lives more unaffordable by the day with a clear conscience. These are the typical Liberal supporters, people too selfish and ignorant to face the reality of the situation we are in.

 

[jimjamjammer]

These are the typical Liberal supporters, people too selfish and ignorant to face the reality of the situation we are in.

Bingo! Primarily Boomers.

 

[Andy Capp]

Coming from the guy who after 19 pages hasn't made a single relevant comment in this thread, hasn't contributed a single counter argument to anything anyone has said just childish insults and laugh reacts.

If you have a difference of opinion why not lay it out along with the relevant facts ?

You call everyone stupid, but you are incapable of ever pointing out why they are wrong and you are right in anything resembling an articulate and convincing manner.

Handy Andy here is undoubtedly voting Liberal, because he is an impotent fool he doesn't have kids for whose future he doesn't need to worry about. He can vote for a party who is making our lives more unaffordable by the day with a clear conscience. These are the typical Liberal supporters, people too selfish and ignorant to face the reality of the situation we are in.

Not everyone, just you and people like you. I explain my reasons for agreement or disagreement with lots of people. With some people, like you, I just can't be bothered because it's like talking to a wall.

You opened the exchange with this comment,

Yes I did, anyone who thinks Carney or Trudeau for that matter is in charge of the Liberal Party or that there will be any significant change is a fucking idiot. Which seems to include half of the people in this thread.


@Andy Capp the laugh reacting retard again can't refute anything I said.

Why should I give you the time of day? There's no intelligent discussion to be had following a comment like this.

And no, you can't refute opinions, especially opinions about how future events will unfold. Opinions are like arseholes. Everybody has one. What you can refute are factual claims. If you point at the sky and say it's red--a claim, not an opinion--I can show you what red looks like and demonstrate that you're incorrect. That's a refutation.

No one can refute the opinion, "I think the Liberals are awful for the country no matter who their leader is," because it's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

I repeat, LOL @ you calling anyone else stupid.

 

[Lycandroid]

Not everyone, just you and people like you. I explain my reasons for agreement or disagreement with lots of people. With some people, like you, I just can't be bothered because it's like talking to a wall.

You opened the exchange with this comment,

Why should I give you the time of day? There's no intelligent discussion to be had following a comment like this.

And no, you can't refute opinions, especially opinions about how future events will unfold. Opinions are like arseholes. Everybody has one. What you can refute are factual claims. If you point at the sky and say it's red--a claim, not an opinion--I can show you what red looks like and demonstrate that you're incorrect. That's a refutation.

No one can refute the opinion, "I think the Liberals are awful for the country no matter who their leader is," because it's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

I repeat, LOL @ you calling anyone else stupid.

Considering the Liberal platform was written before Mark Carney became leader and it again is going down the over spending road, none of the campaign promises that differ from Trudeau reflect anything in that platform.. yes it is a fact that there won't be any significant change. If you are presented with these facts and come to the conclusion that Carney will fix our budget problems by doing the same thing that caused them, then yes you are a fucking idiot.

Even the federal government admits that the Liberal party is bad for the country no matter who the leader is

Government report predicts 2040 dystopia: Collapsed economy, hunting for food

Government report warns declining social mobility could revert society to a land-baron aristocracy where societal advancement is impossible

torontosun.com

You have a federal government report predicting that if we continue down this road the Liberals have put us on, the country will collapse, the standard of living we have today will be a thing of the past.

You are calling facts opinions because you are blind to the truth. People like you are the reason my kids future is so uncertain, you don't care about the truth all that matters to you is to stay comfortable in your Liberal box while you deny the world around you. You call others dumb but you can't refute their points, you don't offer

 

[Andy Capp]

Considering the Liberal platform was written before Mark Carney became leader and it again is going down the over spending road, none of the campaign promises that differ from Trudeau reflect anything in that platform.. yes it is a fact that there won't be any significant change. If you are presented with these facts and come to the conclusion that Carney will fix our budget problems by doing the same thing that caused them, then yes you are a fucking idiot.

Even the federal government admits that the Liberal party is bad for the country no matter who the leader is

Government report predicts 2040 dystopia: Collapsed economy, hunting for food

Government report warns declining social mobility could revert society to a land-baron aristocracy where societal advancement is impossible

torontosun.com

You have a federal government report predicting that if we continue down this road the Liberals have put us on, the country will collapse, the standard of living we have today will be a thing of the past.

You are calling facts opinions because you are blind to the truth. People like you are the reason my kids future is so uncertain, you don't care about the truth all that matters to you is to stay comfortable in your Liberal box while you deny the world around you. You call others dumb but you can't refute their points, you don't offer

The Toronto Sun? How about a link to the primary source?

A report predicts.... The whole federal government admits...

If you don't know the difference between a fact and an opinion even after I explained it to you we're done here. LOL @ this post and calling me an idiot... Get lost.

 

[PRESIDENT TRUMP]

Carney got lucky that conservatives chose a guy like PP who couldn’t come up with his own personality, ripped off trump every way he could until it bit him in the ass and doubled down on that? Ok. I guess that is lucky.

I'd be curious to hear some, if any similarities you've noticed.

 

[Andy Capp]

"More recently, the Disruptions on the Horizons: 2024 report, suggests that downward social mobility might become the norm in the future. The scenario below paints a picture of Canada in 2040 in which most Canadians find themselves stuck in the socioeconomic conditions of their birth and many face the very real possibility of downward social mobility."

Note the terms 'suggest', and 'might'.

When you follow the link above, here's what you see on that page,
"The content of this document does not necessarily reflect the views of the Government of Canada, or participating departments and agencies."

LOL @ the federal government thinks the Liberals are bad

"Foreword​

In recent years, the world has experienced significant disruptions—the COVID-19 pandemic, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the Israel and Hamas conflict, extreme climate disasters, the surging cost of living, and global supply chain interruptions. [See anything about the Liberal party in here? Ed.]

Predicting the next big upheaval may not be possible, but it is crucial to explore possible disruptions and anticipate potential future scenarios. Even seemingly distant or improbable events and circumstances can suddenly become reality, while overlapping disruptions can lead to compounded societal impacts.

Policy Horizons Canada (Policy Horizons) is committed to supporting the Government of Canada’s decision makers in navigating these uncertainties. We identify and explore potential disruptions to enable the creation of robust and resilient policies. Our “Disruptions on the horizon” work is a key part of our mission.

We hope you find this report insightful and thought-provoking. On behalf of Policy Horizons, I would like to thank the people who generously shared their time, knowledge, and thoughts with us.

Introduction​

Today, the world faces multiple complex crises that can contribute to unexpected disruptions. The Disruptions on the Horizon report stems from a critical question many decision makers grapple with: what disruptions should we anticipate next?

The Disruptions on the Horizon 2024 report identifies and assesses 35 disruptions for which Canada may need to prepare and explores some of the interconnections between them. These disruptions are potential events and circumstances that could affect our society and the way it functions, as well as the way people live, work, and connect. Their impacts can be perceived as positive or negative, depending on one’s perspective.

While the disruptions presented in this report are not guaranteed to occur, they are plausible. Neglecting to consider them may lead to policy failure and missed opportunities. Thinking through possible disruptions when developing policies, programs, and strategies could help seize opportunities, navigate impacts, and minimize risks."


Here's the actual report you were referring to, @Lycandroid.

Future Lives: Social mobility in question

Both documents are speculating about what may happen in the future. They're full of conditional terms like may and could.

Now, you can go right to both sources and show me where either of them blame the current government for what they predict MAY happen in the future. I look forward to it. Because I looked and they make no comment on current government policy that I could see. What I saw is they're pointing out things upon which they suggest the government should base policy in the future.

So, let's go. Here's your opportunity to show me up with fact. I can hardly wait.

 

[Andy Capp]

I'd be curious to hear some, if any similarities you've noticed.

You weren't talking to me but if I may, repeating slogans and catch phrases, nicknames for political enemies, proposing to cut taxes for rich people and pay for them with cuts to public services, for starters.

 

[PRESIDENT TRUMP]

You weren't talking to me but if I may, repeating slogans and catch phrases, nicknames for political enemies, proposing to cut taxes for rich people and pay for them with cuts to public services, for starters.

Aside from the nicknames, these are all pretty standard. There are very few similarities between the two, and at this point people are just echoing talking points.

 

[Andy Capp]

Aside from the nicknames, these are all pretty standard. There are very few similarities between the two, and at this point people are just echoing talking points.

Ok.

 

[Lycandroid]

The Toronto Sun? How about a link to the primary source?

A report predicts.... The whole federal government admits...

If you don't know the difference between a fact and an opinion even after I explained it to you we're done here. LOL @ this post and calling me an idiot... Get lost.

It's you who doesn't understand the difference not me. Your problm is that you see any fact that contradicts your skewed worldview as an opinion.

That report was table by top bureaucrats within the federal government, who cares who is the one reporting on it ?

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canada-future-dystopian-social-mobility-dead-report

MSN

So, let's go. Here's your opportunity to show me up with fact. I can hardly wait.

This is what I said

You have a federal government report predicting that if we continue down this road the Liberals have put us on, the country will collapse, the standard of living we have today will be a thing of the past.

where in there did I say this report was fact ?

The FACT is that this report is a prediction based on continuing with the same policies that have already skyrocketed debt, doubled cost of living, handcuffed our resource development, divided Canadians like never before. None of those are opinions, but speaking of opinions, I would like to hear why you think that none of those are an issue or why you are fine with those problems getting worse ?

 

[Andy Capp]

It's you who doesn't understand the difference not me. Your problm is that you see any fact that contradicts your skewed worldview as an opinion.

That report was table by top bureaucrats within the federal government, who cares who is the one reporting on it ?

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canada-future-dystopian-social-mobility-dead-report

MSN

This is what I said

You have a federal government report predicting that if we continue down this road the Liberals have put us on, the country will collapse, the standard of living we have today will be a thing of the past.

where in there did I say this report was fact ?

The FACT is that this report is a prediction based on continuing with the same policies that have already skyrocketed debt, doubled cost of living, handcuffed our resource development, divided Canadians like never before. None of those are opinions, but speaking of opinions, I would like to hear why you think that none of those are an issue or why you are fine with those problems getting worse ?

You post links to websites with vested interest in promoting a narrative, while I post primary sources so everyone can see what the reports actually say, and until you can show me where in those reports it shows the bold text; I'd say it's is an outright lie. LOL @ FACT and lol @ any mention of current Liberal government policies appearing anywhere in either of the reports. Hilarious. Even so it's weird to me to watch someone force feed himself bullshit with a steam shovel.

 

[Lycandroid]

I see the problem, now. You're also illiterate. You post links to websites with vested interest in promoting a narrative, while I post primary sources so everyone can see what the reports actually say, and until you can show me where in those reports it shows the bold text; until then, I'd say it's is an outright lie. LOL @ FACT and lol @ any mention of current Liberal government policies appearing anywhere in either of the reports. Hilarious. Even so it's weird to me to watch someone force feed himself bullshit with a steam shovel.

Are you serious ? Remind me again who holds government and has been for the last ten years ?

All of those websites linked to the original report you fucking dolt.

Future Lives: Social mobility in question

In fact your last essay also contains the link to it, so what exactly is your angle here?

 

[rearnakedchoke]

I'd be curious to hear some, if any similarities you've noticed.

Funny thing is he has totally changed his way of speaking for the most part.
But it was a carbon copy.
America First. Canada First

Everything is broken, Canada is broken

Common sense conservatives. Common sense conservatives.

Nicknames for every oponnent. Wackos, carbon tax carney.

Woke ideology. Etc

It’s cute that his fans still pretend like that wasn’t his plan all along. But hey, I’m glad it seems to be biting him in the ass. If he gets elected, he will go back to doing the same thing he was doing and people will be like, oh, he never changed!!

 

[Andy Capp]

Are you serious ? Remind me again who holds government and has been for the last ten years ?

All of those websites linked to the original report you fucking dolt.

Future Lives: Social mobility in question

In fact your last essay also contains the link to it, so what exactly is your angle here?

Where in the original sources does it say,

You have a federal government report predicting that if we continue down this road the Liberals have put us on, the country will collapse, the standard of living we have today will be a thing of the past.

I'll even spare you from having to find an exact quote. Where do these reports blame current policy for anything?

Do you see, "Fucking Liberals fucking shit up" in this list?

Forces of change
These nine forces of change may affect the sequence and nature of the life course components.
1. How, where, and why of work
2. Social norms surrounding families
3. Social contract expectations
4. Access to and accumulation of wealth
5. Having fewer children, later
6. Longer lifespans
7. Rising anxiety about existential threats
8. Migration to and within Canada
9. Data and AI-powered systems

You keep demonstrating you haven't even read these reports. You only refer to sites that affirm your confirmation bias.

I will quote again from the primary source, as opposed to a hack that makes you feel good about your ignorance,

"In recent years, the world has experienced significant disruptions—the COVID-19 pandemic, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the Israel and Hamas conflict, extreme climate disasters, the surging cost of living, and global supply chain interruptions.
Predicting the next big upheaval may not be possible, but it is crucial to explore possible disruptions and anticipate potential future scenarios. Even seemingly distant or improbable events and circumstances can suddenly become reality, while overlapping disruptions can lead to compounded societal impacts."
Any mention of government policy here?

And,
"Today, the world faces multiple complex crises that can contribute to unexpected disruptions. The Disruptions on the Horizon report stems from a critical question many decision makers grapple with: what disruptions should we anticipate next?

The Disruptions on the Horizon 2024 report identifies and assesses 35 disruptions for which Canada may need to prepare and explores some of the interconnections between them. These disruptions are potential events and circumstances that could affect our society and the way it functions, as well as the way people live, work, and connect. Their impacts can be perceived as positive or negative, depending on one’s perspective.

While the disruptions presented in this report are not guaranteed to occur, they are plausible. Neglecting to consider them may lead to policy failure and missed opportunities. Thinking through possible disruptions when developing policies, programs, and strategies could help seize opportunities, navigate impacts, and minimize risks."
Edit: inserting graphic showing what disruptions they're mainly concerned about,

So, what disruptions are directly the fault of the current government? Where does it say?

Oh, and speaking of things that are missing, what happened to your buddy with the same join date as you? Haven't seen any posts in a long while. Did you get tired of running two accounts?

 

[rikibobby]

Funny thing is he has totally changed his way of speaking for the most part.
But it was a carbon copy.
America First. Canada First

Everything is broken, Canada is broken

Common sense conservatives. Common sense conservatives.

Nicknames for every oponnent. Wackos, carbon tax carney.

Woke ideology. Etc

It’s cute that his fans still pretend like that wasn’t his plan all along. But hey, I’m glad it seems to be biting him in the ass. If he gets elected, he will go back to doing the same thing he was doing and people will be like, oh, he never changed!!

So nothing about policy......right.

You really know f-all about politics. He is the leader of the opposition, so his role is to be a dick. Mulcair was a dick too. It is the role. If he is leader, he will be on defense. Not offense And hence much softer.

I can't believe people vote for who is nicer, not who is going to do a better job for you. It makes the liberal campaign machine's job way too easy.

Raise every single tax and create new ones to bring in the most revenue of all time while also running record defecits you say? Well, he's nice so I'll vote for his further destruction of mine and my kids futures.

Does that not sound absurd?

 

[jimjamjammer]

Are you serious ? Remind me again who holds government and has been for the last ten years ?

All of those websites linked to the original report you fucking dolt.

Future Lives: Social mobility in question

In fact your last essay also contains the link to it, so what exactly is your angle here?

No surprise. He's entirely missing the point and steered the conversation away from how bad the Liberals are to this report that's come out and how you're wrong about it.

 

[Lycandroid]

Where in the original sources does it say,

I'll even spare you from having to find an exact quote. Where do these reports blame current policy for anything?

Do you see, "Fucking Liberals fucking shit up" in this list?



You keep demonstrating you haven't even read these reports. You only refer to sites that affirm your confirmation bias.

I will quote again from the primary source, as opposed to a hack that makes you feel good about your ignorance,

"In recent years, the world has experienced significant disruptions—the COVID-19 pandemic, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the Israel and Hamas conflict, extreme climate disasters, the surging cost of living, and global supply chain interruptions.
Predicting the next big upheaval may not be possible, but it is crucial to explore possible disruptions and anticipate potential future scenarios. Even seemingly distant or improbable events and circumstances can suddenly become reality, while overlapping disruptions can lead to compounded societal impacts."
Any mention of government policy here?

And,
"Today, the world faces multiple complex crises that can contribute to unexpected disruptions. The Disruptions on the Horizon report stems from a critical question many decision makers grapple with: what disruptions should we anticipate next?

The Disruptions on the Horizon 2024 report identifies and assesses 35 disruptions for which Canada may need to prepare and explores some of the interconnections between them. These disruptions are potential events and circumstances that could affect our society and the way it functions, as well as the way people live, work, and connect. Their impacts can be perceived as positive or negative, depending on one’s perspective.

While the disruptions presented in this report are not guaranteed to occur, they are plausible. Neglecting to consider them may lead to policy failure and missed opportunities. Thinking through possible disruptions when developing policies, programs, and strategies could help seize opportunities, navigate impacts, and minimize risks."
Edit: inserting graphic showing what disruptions they're mainly concerned about,

So, what disruptions are directly the fault of the current government? Where does it say?

Oh, and speaking of things that are missing, what happened to your buddy with the same join date as you? Haven't seen any posts in a long while. Did you get tired of running two accounts?

I read the report yesterday

The report doesn't need to reference specifically Liberal policies when we have not only a ten year run by the Liberals but also a Senate stacked in the Liberals favor. All policies, do you really not understand this basic concept ?

You are one of those guys that parroted the talking point that inflation was not the fault of the government but was a worldwide issue, when in reality the government enacted the same polices in lockstep with these other governments. So of course they will all see the same results, that doesn't resolve the government of responsibility for enacting these policies like so many Liberals will argue.

With regard to the graphic going down the list

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People cannot tell what is true or not.
Government censorship bills, increased control of mainstream media and attacks against independent media all contribute heavily to this.

People cannot afford to live on there own
This is the easiest one the blame on the Liberals, unless you think the doubling of housing costs, the blocking of reasonable development and bringing in way too many people for the supply we have.

Billionaires run the world
We are about to elect somebody who spent his entire life working for the benefit of billionaires.

World War breaks out
We are unprotected in the arctic, we are trying to make the USA an enemy, we contributed to an unwinnable war in the Ukraine that could very well have sparked a World War. Instead of of a peaceful resolution we have only supported more war.

Health Care systems collapse
They are already on the verge of collapse, last time I was in the emergency room I had a 15 hour wait while my friend nearly bled to death. I had to wait almost 3 years for knee surgery.

Basic needs go unmet
They already are, we have an epidemic of homeless who are employed but simply cannot afford both food and shelter, many Canadians will never experience home ownership. Food bank usage is up over 90% access to health care is next to non existent for many.

Democratic systems breakdown

Our democratic system has always been broken when Ontario determines the fate of the rest of the country, the liberals promised electoral reform. That was a lie. While they didn't cause this issue the ran on fixing it which, the reality is the Liberals have put staying in power above all else. Right now we are in election for which a large voter section is basing entirely on standing up to Trump. A fabricated narrative created and exaggerated entirely by the Liberals to hold onto power. The are eroding trust in the government and our democratic process like none before.

Also what buddy are you talking about ? I have no idea which accounts have the same join date as me and believe me I don't have the time or the care to have a second account, anyone who does that or thinks I am doing that is suspect to me.

 

[MrShady]

Juicy odds for anyone who believes cpc pulls it off

Liberal majority -140
Liberal minority +350
Conservative majority +800
Conservative minority +450

 

[Lycandroid]

Juicy odds for anyone who believes cpc pulls it off

Liberal majority -140
Liberal minority +350
Conservative majority +800
Conservative minority +450

Why don't you go out there an help skew those odds towards the cons ?

You said you are against voting Liberal and NDP. With the Liberals ahead anything other than a vote for CPC is going to help the Liberals.

Prove that other guy wrong that you aren't a secret lib.