Floyd Mayweather Jr. retires?

[brother muzone]

You're taking your argument out of the times of relevant context.

Right now is your statement true? Sure. Was your statement true back when Floyd was a Welterweight and Cotto was still a JWW, or when Cotto was a WW and Floyd was fighting at 154?.

surely, you dont mean to say that there wasnt better competition than Sharmba Mitchell when Floyd entered 147. Even little limited Hatton entered the division against Collazo, a much tougher task. Clottey certainly would have been a much better challenge than any of the welterweights Mayweather has faced. Margarito beat enough ring top ten welterweights to "deserve" a fight as much as anyone let alone a shot mitchell or 9 loss baldomir. Baldomir was a stiff intended to set up Zab for the Mayweather fight. a year after fighting mayweather and Baldomir is struggling on telefutura. And Zab managed to lose to him, and Floyd fought both of them. Thats what an all time great does, in his prime? seriously?

 

[Sinister]

There's a difference between a guy who has moved up 5 weight classes versus a guy who has spent his entire career pretty much at one weight. By default Margarito has fought more Welterweight Contenders. That many years as a Welterweight makes that certain.

However, Floyd wouldn't be the first Fighter to take what's called a gimme fight to solidify being at a weight. Collazo wasn't highly regarded when he fought Hatton, he was highly regarded AFTER Fighting Hatton, and also lost his next big fight. Margarito, he'd beaten Cintron and struggled with Clottey, that's about where his strength of resume ends before Fighting Williams. Cotto, well he just trounced the likes of Alphonso Gomez, and it's not even certain he'll get by Margarito, meanwhile Williams also lost to Cotto's sloppy seconds just after beating Margarito in a Fight some saw the other way.

The point? The point is you could argue this and spin it in every direction possible. But if you seriously call Baldomir a stiff then that definitively shows your ignorance. He might be finished now, but a stiff he definitely wasn't at the time he fought Judah.

You're pretty funny because on one hand you bitch about Floyd not fighting guys who are rated 1 and 2 beneath him now, assuming that's Cotto and either Margarito or Williams depending on who you felt won when they fought and whose outing against a guy considered lesser was less embarrassing, but use the same means to attempt to disqualify Baldomir and Judah, who both held unified Titles at the time Floyd came into the division and were 1 and 2 then. Disregard the very thing you ask for when it's relevant, and complain for it when it's not.

Quite hilarious.

 

[Tam-Tam]

Still waiting.

 

[Sinister]

He's not going to answer a question that requires a direct answer. It's more fun to pick apart subjective ideas with circular logic, or lack of.

 

[Tam-Tam]

I suspect he's googling lists right now and picking names that are going to suit his argument. It's of no matter, I'm bored with talking about Floyd Mayweather anyway.

 

[Sinister]

Me, too. Though you should be proud. You helped construct a lot of what I've said here. Not bad for a "negative Nancy" in regards to Floyd I'd say.

 

[Sharkey]

I suspect he's googling lists right now and picking names that are going to suit his argument. It's of no matter, I'm bored with talking about Floyd Mayweather anyway.

Funny enough, I can remember a discussion on another board a few years back, when some guy was challenged by someone else to come up with an all-time top 100 ranking, which the guy did shortly after. Of course it wasn't his own as was obvious by the way the guy posted, but take one guess whose it was.

Yep, that's right...your own!

I called him on it, of course.

 

[Tam-Tam]

I quite like the thought that I might change the way people think. Powerful.

 

[Tam-Tam]

Funny enough, I can remember a discussion on another board a few years back, when some guy was challenged by someone else to come up with an all-time top 100 ranking, which the guy did shortly after. Of course it wasn't his own as was obvious by the way the guy posted, but take one guess whose it was.

Yep, that's right...your own!

I called him on it, of course.

Yes, I do believe I'm aware of that little occurance....Yogi.

 

[SUGARSHANERULEZ]

surely, you dont mean to say that there wasnt better competition than Sharmba Mitchell when Floyd entered 147. Even little limited Hatton entered the division against Collazo, a much tougher task. Clottey certainly would have been a much better challenge than any of the welterweights Mayweather has faced. Margarito beat enough ring top ten welterweights to "deserve" a fight as much as anyone let alone a shot mitchell or 9 loss baldomir. Baldomir was a stiff intended to set up Zab for the Mayweather fight. a year after fighting mayweather and Baldomir is struggling on telefutura. And Zab managed to lose to him, and Floyd fought both of them. Thats what an all time great does, in his prime? seriously?

Margarito lost to Paul Williams, that pretty much fucked him out of any chance to get a shot at Floyd.

 

[Sharkey]

Yes, I do believe I'm aware of that little occurance....Yogi.

Well hey, a ranking as silly as that stands out a bunch, you know, so it was easy to detect where it orignally came from.

 

[Tam-Tam]

A nice save.

 

[uppercuts21]

Hopefully this hasnt been mentioned in this enormous thread. I read the past few pages but didnt see it.

Did Mayweather duck Margarito? I heard he turned down an 8 million dollar offer only to fight for less money against an inferior opponent?

 

[David Bolton]

Fuck Floyd, I ain't gonna see Roger on 24/7 ever again?

 

[Bonos]

Shane Mosley didn't want to. Antonio Margarito didn't deserve to. Paul Williams, Andre Berto, Paulie Malignaggi, Joshua Clottey, Jackson Bonsu, Kermit Cintron, and Carlos Quintana still don't.

The ONLY guy out there that should even be remotely miffed about not getting to fight Floyd is Miguel Cotto, and even HE is only on the fringe of deserving the shot. If he loses to Margarito, then he's got no complaint about it either.

So Mayweather is too special to actually compete against the top contenders in the the best weight class in boxing? I don't like when fighters reach that point financially where they can't fight unless its an event, or they can only be asked to fight another worthy legend, how often would that happen? Floyd's reached this point, he made his millions and had a HOF career, its good that he retired instead of fighting 'unworthy' challengers like Williams, Margarito, Mosley and Cotto while he is still near his prime.

 

[brother muzone]

Margarito lost to Paul Williams, that pretty much fucked him out of any chance to get a shot at Floyd.

lol they are both very good fighters and top contenders. heaven forbid top contenders fight each other, and ones wins a very close decision.

So Mayweather is too special to actually compete against the top contenders in the the best weight class in boxing?

yes. its "quite hilarious." fighting contenders is not a requirement when you are floyd. you just play his work out footage and everyone decides, clearly, they just arent special enough.

and we wonder why our sport is in trouble :redface: can you imagine Anderson Silva or Fedor pulling this bullshit? Nah CC lost to Nog, no point fighting him. Shit, Tiger woods would charge people to watch him play by himself with this mentality.

 

[BobbyBrez]

Pfffffffffffffffffff

 

[Necrocide]

Aside from being "pretty good", what has Antonio Margarito done to deserve being in the ring with Floyd Mayweather?

I'll tell you exactly what would happen here - either Floyd never fights Margarito and he's "ducking" him, or Floyd fights him and beats him and all of a sudden Margarito is one of these guys that Floyd should have never fought and should have focused on (insert fighter here) instead.

Same with Paul Williams. Williams is a young fighter with talent and lots of potential, but he's got a lot to learn and needs to be more consistent before he's in the ring with the kingpin of ANY division. Again, if Floyd never fights him, he's "ducking" Paul Williams. If he fights him and beats him, he's fighting an unproven young fighter when he should have been fighting (insert fighter here) instead. And heaven forbid he loses, because then his entire body of work becomes void to the people that demanded he fight these guys in the first place.

It's a no win situation for Floyd. Either everybody he beats is going to be somebody he shouldn't have bothered with or he's ducking somebody. Whatever.

 

[Francis Rossi]

And heaven forbid he loses, because then his entire body of work becomes void to the people that demanded he fight these guys in the first place.

Along the lines of the "Matt Hughes was over-rated" thread I saw earlier?

 

[GlassJaw]

Aside from being "pretty good", what has Antonio Margarito done to deserve being in the ring with Floyd Mayweather?

I'll tell you exactly what would happen here - either Floyd never fights Margarito and he's "ducking" him, or Floyd fights him and beats him and all of a sudden Margarito is one of these guys that Floyd should have never fought and should have focused on (insert fighter here) instead.

Same with Paul Williams. Williams is a young fighter with talent and lots of potential, but he's got a lot to learn and needs to be more consistent before he's in the ring with the kingpin of ANY division. Again, if Floyd never fights him, he's "ducking" Paul Williams. If he fights him and beats him, he's fighting an unproven young fighter when he should have been fighting (insert fighter here) instead. And heaven forbid he loses, because then his entire body of work becomes void to the people that demanded he fight these guys in the first place.

It's a no win situation for Floyd. Either everybody he beats is going to be somebody he shouldn't have bothered with or he's ducking somebody. Whatever.

Mayweather 2001-2003 is as good as it get's, but as far as WW champions go, he doesn't rank anywhere in my book. I have no hate for a guy wanting to hang them up, but it certainly wasn't a "no-win" situation to begin with in the WW picture. Hell that's just crazy talk. If Mayweather HAD smashed up Margarito or Cotto, this conversation wouldn't be taking place. Even if he did lose it would be forgiveable and his previous body of work @ LW get's him into the HoF by itself.

When comparing oneself to the greatest fighters who ever lived, obviously perfection becomes prevalent. Let's be honest here, Mayweathers best work was done almost 5 years ago. Not last year, or when he won the Lineal Championship from a Journeyman who beat a mentally weak Zab Judah. People can say all they want that "They were the men to beat" and Floyd whooped um, but i never thought much of Baldomir or Judah as far champions are concerned, lineal or not. Zab defended his belt against Cosme Rivera and Baldomir against the ancient Gatti, then both dropped the belts and haven't won a meaningful fight since. WBO or not, at the time i felt Margarito's 5 or 6 title defenses outweighed Baldomir's upset over Judah. Then he opted to fight Judah anyways and stopped fighting WW's from that point forward until retirement.