Fedor's GnP was insane

[Jewish Lightning]

I would say late stage LHW DC probably, but I don't think we're far apart in prime, I was just using him to illustrate that someone's physical prime doesn't always correlate with their fighting prime

Obviously it's not just physical, the skills matter too. Werdum was very good when be beat Cain but coming into that fight he won 9 of his last 10. I believe he gave all of himself in the Cain fight and left a piece of himself in the cage and in his 6 month training camp. After the Cain fight he was 39 years old and didn't look like he was nearly in as good shape coming into the Stipe fight and got KO'd and his record has been 4-4 since. I refuse to believe that a guy who was 39 and went on a 4-4 run was still in his prime.

 

[HHJ]

I disagree. He looked amazing vs Bigfoor who was 16-2 at the time and coming off a win over Fedor and was juiced up on TRT at at 285lbs on fight night. DC smashed him on the feet, stopped his takedown attempts and then floored him with an uppercut and hammer fisted him until his body went flat. Super underrated win IMO.

Im gonna re watch it and tell my thoughts

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Obviously it's not just physical, the skills matter too. Werdum was very good when be beat Cain but coming into that fight he won 9 of his last 11. I believe he gave all of himself in the Cain fight and left a piece of himself in the cage and in his 6 month training camp. After the Cain fight he was 39 years old and didn't look like he was nearly in as good shape coming into the Stipe fight and got KO'd and his record has been 4-4 since. I refuse to believe that a guy who was 39 and went on a 4-4 run was still in his prime.

I think the problem in the Stipe fight was he ran after him like a retard, i don't think his prime was really relevant.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

I think the problem in the Stipe fight was he ran after him like a retard, i don't think his prime was really relevant.

After losing to JDS Werdum won 8 of his next 9 coming into his fight with Cain; including wins over Fedor and Bigfoot and his only loss in that span was to Ubereem. In preparing for Cain he was 38 and did the most difficult training camp of his life for 6 months in Mexico city and he looked lean and strong, probably the best shape I've ever seen him in. He beat Cain and I could be wrong but I truly believe he left a piece of himself in that fight and in that camp.

By the time he fought Stipe he didn't look as good physically, came in heavier and was possibly mentally exhausted from his strength of schedule leading up to the Stipe fight. I think it's no coincidence he looked worse physically and made a critical mistake and got KOd doing something dumb. The fact that he went 4-4 since that fight indeed indicates that was peaked and past his prime. Which leads back to my point, I don't think Stipe beat the best Werdum we have seen. Just my opinion though.

 

[HHJ]

I think the problem in the Stipe fight was he ran after him like a retard, i don't think his prime was really relevant.

yep

Stipe said the leg kicks hurt him

 

[Hellowhosthat]

After losing to JDS Werdum won 8 of his next 9 coming into his fight with Cain; including wins over Fedor and Bigfoot and his only loss in that span was to Ubereem. In preparing for Cain he was 38 and did the most difficult training camp of his life for 6 months in Mexico city to and he looked lean and strong, probably the best shape I've ever seen him in. He beat Cain and I could be wrong but I truly believe he left a piece of himself in that fight and in that camp.

By the time he fought Stipe he didn't look as good physically and was possibly exhausted mentally from the strength of schedule leading up to the Stipe fight. I think it's no coincidence he looked worse physically and made a critical mistake. The fact that he's went 4-4 since that fight indeed indicates that was peaked and past his prime. Which leads back to my point, I don't think Stipe beat the best Werdum we have seen. Just my opinion though.

I don't think what shape you're in effects decision making that early in a fight. He was stupid and he paid for it, it is what it is.

 

[TerryBogard]

Hahahaha sure...

Damn sure, its not even a contest.

 

[TerryBogard]

lol thats some funny ass shit

arm punches vs fedor's homicidal bombs

You lot took the short bus to school. Should apply dunce caps to your AV'S

Check your eyes, that not even close to as brutal, look at the damage brock did vs what fedor did, not even close.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

I don't think what shape you're in effects decision making that early in a fight. He was stupid and he paid for it, it is what it is.

I didn't say his poor physical shape in the Stipe fight affected his decision making. I said it was a mix of his strength of schedule leading up the Cain fight, his 6 month training camp for Cain, and the grueling war he had with Cain that took a lot out of him and he may have been mentally and emotionally exhausted coming into the Stipe fight which lead him to come into the fight 10lbs heavier and caused him to fight stupid and careless.

I believe Fedor went through a similar phase when he came to Strikeforce. He was mentally exhausted and thus he lost his edge, fought recklessly and lost 3 in a row. I mean if Werdum was in his prime when Stipe fought him how did he go 4-4 in his next 8 after Stipe? Fighting isn't just physical, mental and technical, it's all 3. I don't believe Werdum had all 3 on point coming into the Stipe fight which is why the fight went how it went. His record after validates my theory.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I didn't say his poor physical shape in the Stipe fight affected his decision making. I said it was a mix of his strength of schedule leading up the Cain fight, his 6 month training camp for Cain, and the grueling war he had with Cain that took a lot out of him and he may have been mentally and emotionally exhausted coming into the Stipe fight which lead him to come into the fight 10lbs heavier and caused him to fight stupid and careless.

I believe Fedor went through a similar phase when he came to Strikeforce. He was mentally exhausted and thus he lost his edge, fought recklessly and lost 3 in a row. I mean if Werdum was in his prime when Stipe fought him how did he go 4-4 in his next 8 after Stipe? Fighting isn't just physical, mental and technical, it's all 3. I don't believe Werdum had all 3 on point coming into the Stipe fight which is why the fight went how it went. His record after validates my theory.

You're reaching dude, he fought stupid and paid for it. I'm a fan of Werdum and wanted him to win that fight, but there's no explanation you can give for prime causing him to rush at a powerful HW with his chin in the air like an idiot.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

lol thats some funny ass shit

arm punches vs fedor's homicidal bombs

You lot took the short bus to school. Should apply dunce caps to your AV'S

Pretty massive different in toughness as well, Mir alreay finished via GnP by two mid level guys.

 

[maximus__]

Werdum was 39 years old when he lost to Stipe. Definitely not his prime but close enough to it to be Stipes best win.

How was Francis in his prime when he had 3 years of MMA training and lost to Derrick Lewis in his next fight. Prime Francis is right now and he Hendo-Bisping KOd Stipe.

Werdum was on his best streak of performances and had just won the belt by out working Cain. It's an excellent win.

Because Francis was wrecking everyone until those two fights, got beaten for 2 and then went back to exactly how he was winning all his previous fights.
He is only fighting differently now because his opponents won't fall for the blitz anymore and apparently in the last fight because he had no ACL.
You would have said Francis is out of his prime if he lost to Gane by decision. You are just counting prime as a streak of wins.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

You're reaching dude, he fought stupid and paid for it. I'm a fan of Werdum and wanted him to win that fight, but there's no explanation you can give for prime causing him to rush at a powerful HW with his chin in the air like an idiot.

If im reaching and he was in his prime then please explain why he came in flabbier and 10lbs heavier for the Stipe fight, fought stupid and got KOd then went 4-4 in his next 8? All signs of a fighter who has peaked and was tired.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

If im reaching and he was in his prime then please explain why he came in flabbier and 10lbs heavier for the Stipe fight, fought stupid and got KOd then went 4-4 in his next 8? All signs of a fighter who has peaked and was tired.

I'm not saying he was or wasn't in his prime, I'm saying his prime is irrelevant in that fight because he made a stupid decision which had nothing to do with whether he was in his prime or not.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

Werdum was on his best streak of performances and had just won the belt by out working Cain. It's an excellent win.

Because Francis was wrecking everyone until those two fights, got beaten for 2 and then went back to exactly how he was winning all his previous fights.
He is only fighting differently now because his opponents won't fall for the blitz anymore and apparently in the last fight because he had no ACL.
You would have said Francis is out of his prime if he lost to Gane by decision. You are just counting prime as a streak of wins.

Read my last two posts. And No, Francis wasn't in his prime with 3 years of training, no ground game and 2 losses in a row- one of which was to Lewis who never was and never will be elite. Francis was in his prime in the second Stipe fight and its obvious, definitely not in the first.

 

[Midget Boxer]

Fabricio Werdum. The guy who took out Cain, Fedor and Big Nog. He was 9-1 over a 6-7 year period against top guys who were winning and fighting f for titles across both Strikeforce and UFC.
His only loss was to Overeem in that period during the horsemeat era.

He also took out Francis in the first fight

He only has like 4 good wins.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Werdum was on his best streak of performances and had just won the belt by out working Cain. It's an excellent win.

Because Francis was wrecking everyone until those two fights, got beaten for 2 and then went back to exactly how he was winning all his previous fights.
He is only fighting differently now because his opponents won't fall for the blitz anymore and apparently in the last fight because he had no ACL.
You would have said Francis is out of his prime if he lost to Gane by decision. You are just counting prime as a streak of wins.

I would say that actually though whilst people play up Francis exploiting a divisions weakenss I actually think Stipe based his career on that much moreso.

You look at Stipe's career really and almost all his big wins I think really are built on "fighting smart", Werdum another example of him exploiting a very obvious flaw in an opponents gane just like JDS, Arlovski, Reem, Hunt, Cormier 2, etc.

Thats why I think if you shift both of them back say 10-15 years it might actually be Stipe who struggles more, having to take fights were there isnt so much of an "easy path" to victory. Ngannou might struggle against more technical striking and better grappling BUT I think his size/speed/power is alwatys going to be a threat,

Thats why wins like Fedors over Nog and Crocop were impressive, he didnt win via the easy route he beat them at their own game.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

I'm not saying he was or wasn't in his prime, I'm saying his prime is irrelevant in that fight because he made a stupid decision which had nothing to do with whether he was in his prime or not.

Mental performance has nothing to do with prime? Mentally tired fighters aren't more likely to make errors? You have much to learn my son. 4-4 after Stipe supports my theory but whatever. Go ahead believing fighters are video game characters who perform the same way mentally everytime you push the punch and kick button.

 

[kenetics]

Check your eyes, that not even close to as brutal, look at the damage brock did vs what fedor did, not even close.

Umm fedor did more damage with someone able to move there head in a ring not someone stuck against a cage with no movement. Way easier to gnp someone against a cage then ropes. That's not even debatable.

 

[kenetics]

Read my last two posts. And No, Francis wasn't in his prime with 3 years of training, no ground game and 2 losses in a row- one of which was to Lewis who never was and never will be elite. Francis was in his prime in the second Stipe fight and its obvious, definitely not in the first.

If that's Francis prime who fought gane... Then I'm not impressed .