Fedor's GnP was insane

[Jewish Lightning]

If that's Francis prime who fought game... Then I'm not impressed .

I'm not either but he claims he had torn ligaments in his knee so we have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

The Francis from the Stipe fight was patient, used a jab. Stopped Stipes takedowns, reversed positions and beat the hell out of Stipe on the ground then knocked him dead Hendo-Bisping style. That was a much better performance to judge his prime by IMO.

 

[TerryBogard]

Umm fedor did more damage with someone able to move there head in a ring not someone stuck against a cage with no movement. Way easier to gnp someone against a cage then ropes. That's not even debatable.

He doesnt have the same power as brock period and would get smashed in a fight against him.

 

[kenetics]

He doesnt have the same power as brock period and would get smashed in a fight against him.

Sure he does., He had more tko and kos then Brock. Again, that's not debatable either lol.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

He doesnt have the same power as brock period and would get smashed in a fight against him.

Shills 'R Us

 

[Midget Boxer]

Read my last two posts. And No, Francis wasn't in his prime with 3 years of training, no ground game and 2 losses in a row- one of which was to Lewis who never was and never will be elite. Francis was in his prime in the second Stipe fight and its obvious, definitely not in the first.

Francis in the first fight was still KOing guys in 5 seconds. He was still deadly man

 

[kenetics]

I'm not either but he claims he had torn ligaments in his knee so we have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

The Francis from the Stipe fight was patient, used a jab. Stopped Stipes takedowns, reversed positions and beat the hell out of Stipe on the ground then knocked him dead Hendo-Bisping style. That was a much better performance to judge his prime by IMO.

I guess. Stipe looked bad against a fat DC im their 3rd fight. I called for Francis to ko him early when they rematched. Stipe was also undersized and I don't believe stipe been in his prime for a while.
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[Jewish Lightning]

Francis in the first fight was still KOing guys in 5 seconds. He was still deadly man

He was most definitely deadly but still very green in terms of his mental approach to fighting, his grappling and his overall game . If he was truly in his prime he wouldn't have lost to Derrick Lewis in his next fight via deer in headlights IMO.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

I guess. Stipe looked bad against a fat DC im their 3rd fight. I called for Francis to ko him early when they rematched. Stipe was also undersized and I don't believe stipe been in his prime for a while.
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Stipe and DC both looked really bad in their last fight. DC was a fat blob with 3 rounds of cardio and its no coincidence he retired after that fight. He was cooked physically and mentally. Stipe could have retired too but stuck around and got flatlined by Ngannou in his next fight.

 

[Midget Boxer]

He was most definitely deadly but still very green in terms of his mental approach to fighting, his grappling and his overall game . If he was truly in his prime he wouldn't have lost to Derrick Lewis in his next fight via deer in headlights IMO.

Does Fedor beat this version of Ngannou?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Mental performance has nothing to do with prime? Mentally tired fighters aren't more likely to make errors? You have much to learn my son. 4-4 after Stipe supports my theory but whatever. Go ahead believing fighters are video game characters who perform the same way mentally everytime you push the punch and kick button.

I don't think he was that far out of his prime that he was gassed into retardation at 2:30 of the first round lol.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

Does Fedor beat this version of Ngannou?

I think peak Fedor was definitely better than anyone Ngannou has ever fought and would have definitely beat the Ngannou that lost to Stipe the first time. With that said the Ngannou from the second Stipe fight is a differnt animal. It would come down to where the fight was fought, if there was a 10 minute first round and who was having a better day at the office that day.

I think peak Fedor would have done more than Gane did against knee injury Ngannou for sure. I was at that fight and I noticed Ngannou was breathing heavy by the end of the second round and not causing any damage on the feet or on the ground. Wouldn't go well against peak Fedor under such circumstances IMO but it's unfair to judge how Francis would do against peak Fedor by a fight in which his knee was hurt.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

I don't think he was that far out of his prime that he was gassed into retardation at 2:30 of the first round lol.

Shows how much you understand about the composition of a fighter and how mental exhaustion can contribute to recklessness and errors. Not to mention Werdum came in 10lbs heavier and went 4-4 after that fight with Stipe.

 

[Area809]

Just imagine the punches he would walk Ngannou onto if thhis version of fedor was still fighting.

People always say he was still prime for a HW by age, but forget that he was 31-1 before he started losing at 10 years into the sport only fighting in top orgs.
Show me a single other HW that has pulled that off over a 10 year career? Thhen continued fighting for 10 more years and still has a respectable record.

Guys like Stipe, Cormier, Cane or even Lesnar, rarely got cans in between real fights to tune up or pad their records. That is a big difference between Pride and the more recent era. Fedor beat some legends, but also has a lot of fluff in his record.

 

[Area809]

Shows how much you understand about the composition of a fighter and how mental exhaustion can contribute to recklessness and errors. Not to mention Werdum came in 10lbs heavier and went 4-4 after that fight with Stipe.

Fighters got better around that era. For Fedor to defend his status as the #1 hw, he would’ve had to go through a murderer’s row, without tuneup cans, unlike any other time in his career. After beating Nog the first time, Fedor fought 7 very winnable fights in succession, before fighting Nog again. Notable names in that 7 fight win streak were Coleman/Randleman, two guys who could only do one thing, of which was not striking, submissions or submission defense. Fujita was solid, but didn’t have what it took to beat the top tier fighters. Not saying Fedor wouldn’t have had 10 years of dominance, but just saying it could’ve been a different story had he been fighting true #1’s in succession, as is the case in modern mma. Was he beating great fighters? Yes, but literally half the time, he was also collecting checks from pounding some bum. But I guess the latter can also be mentally exhausting?

 

[DayV]

Fighters got better around that era. For Fedor to defend his status as the #1 hw, he would’ve had to go through a murderer’s row, without tuneup cans, unlike any other time in his career. After beating Nog the first time, Fedor fought 7 very winnable fights in succession, before fighting Nog again. Notable names in that 7 fight win streak were Coleman/Randleman, two guys who could only do one thing, of which was not striking, submissions or submission defense. Fujita was solid, but didn’t have what it took to beat the top tier fighters. Not saying Fedor wouldn’t have had 10 years of dominance, but just saying it could’ve been a different story had he been fighting true #1’s in succession, as is the case in modern mma. Was he beating great fighters? Yes, but literally half the time, he was also collecting checks from pounding some bum. But I guess the latter can also be mentally exhausting?

With UFC champions defending the title on average once per year, every 10 months or so, Fedor would have just fought Minotauro 2x, Cro Cop, Hunt, Arlovski, Sylvia who he fought anyway and would have had the same number of top fights as in modern UFC, and simply would not have fought all the rest quality ans dangerous fighters like Coleman, Randleman, Fujita, Ogawa, Koshaka, Goodridge.
Fedor was almost defeated by Fujita and Randleman, and I guess he would have not even fought them in UFC system.
Coleman would be ranked in Top 5 in todays UFC ranking system, since he only lost to new champion Nogueira since he was world champion himself.

At HW can, subpair or average fighters can defeat top guys with one punch if they have their day, where you underestimate them and they have nothing to lose and give 110%. Or you can encounter a future top fighter that is yet relatively unknown and he can upset you. Or you can lose to top fighter, beacuse you spent your body, mind, concentration, rest on lesser fighter 2 months earlier.

Pride rhythm of 4-5 fights per year is a lot harder than UFC rhythm of 1-2 fights per year with a fat rest and preparations between fights.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Shows how much you understand about the composition of a fighter and how mental exhaustion can contribute to recklessness and errors. Not to mention Werdum came in 10lbs heavier and went 4-4 after that fight with Stipe.

Lol this guy beats that guy definitely unless he comes in flabby and runs at someone because he gassed in a couple of minutes then he might lose but he's definitely the better fighter who would never lose to that guy.

 

[kflo]

Answer the specific question. Name one good young fighter he beat in their prime. Answer is none. Stipe is purely a geriatric killer. It’s not hard looking like a finisher when fighting elderly or not in prime guys

The reality is that the dc, overeem and jds that stipe beat would be among the handful of best wins in fedors career. You can try to frame it to suit your bias but that is the truth.

 

[mjfan23]

Fabricio Werdum. The guy who took out Cain, Fedor and Big Nog. He was 9-1 over a 6-7 year period against top guys who were winning and fighting f for titles across both Strikeforce and UFC.
His only loss was to Overeem in that period during the horsemeat era.

He also took out Francis in the first fight

What was werdums age again?

 

[mjfan23]

The reality is that the dc, overeem and jds that stipe beat would be among the handful of best wins in fedors career. You can try to frame it to suit your bias but that is the truth.

The Reem, DC and JDS he beat were all out of their primes.

When he met a younger (also
Shopworn post Cain maulings) JDS, Stipe got lit up.

a 50 year old fat LHW in DC beat him. Stipe only beat him when dc got even older and slower.

the 500 KO loss Reem actually both dropped and nearly subbed Stipe too

 

[kflo]

The Reem, DC and JDS he beat were all out of their primes.

When he met a younger (also
Shopworn post Cain maulings) JDS, Stipe got lit up.

a 50 year old fat LHW in DC beat him. Stipe only beat him when dc got even older and slower.

the 500 KO loss Reem actually both dropped and nearly subbed Stipe too

You didn’t address what I actually said……

And yeah, add werdum too.