Fedor's GnP was insane

[mjfan23]

He finished fights in 9 of his 13 ufc wins. Including both fights when he won the belt.

Answer the specific question. Name one good young fighter he beat in their prime. Answer is none. Stipe is purely a geriatric killer. It’s not hard looking like a finisher when fighting elderly or not in prime guys

 

[Jewish Lightning]

Answer the specific question. Name one good young fighter he beat in their prime. Answer is none. Stipe is purely a geriatric killer. It’s not hard looking like a finisher when fighting elderly or not in prime guys

Stipe is a top 5-6 HW of all time. His resume on paper is very good. He's a good guy, tough guy but it's true, he never beat an all time great in their prime.

Wins over Reem, AA, JDS, DC, and green Ngannou are still good wins but it isn't the same as beating them at their best. It's not like Fedor beating Nog, Mirko and AA in their 20s. It's not like DC beating prime Gus, prime Rumble, prime Bigfoot and prime Barnett. Or even Jones beating trt vitor, 2014 DC or prime Glover.

Stipe is still a great HW but the truth will always be the truth.

 

[Supereem]

Nogeuria would have been the greatest of all time but for Fedor. We are very lucky they exisyer at thr same time so we could see the apex of the aport. As a bonus we also had prime Crocop in there.

The current HW division is a mess and basically a freakshow.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Stipe is a top 5-6 HW of all time. His resume on paper is very good. He's a good guy, tough guy but it's true, he never beat an all time great in their prime.

Wins over Reem, AA, JDS, DC, and green Ngannou are still good wins but it isn't the same as beating them at their best. It's not like Fedor beating Nog, Mirko and AA in their 20s. It's not like DC beating prime Gus, prime Rumble, prime Bigfoot and prime Barnett. Or even Jones beating trt vitor, 2014 DC or prime Glover.

Stipe is still a great HW but the truth will always be the truth.

Really I think thats a fundamental difference in the divisions as well, back in the mid 00's really you had very few fighters who were building their names off of declined opponents. Partly because most of the division was young and in their prime but also because older names either werent really viewed as being the very best wins or they simply werent very active when they dropped off like Bas and Kerr.

You don't have to filter the records of many HW's from that era the way you do those from following areas, simply listing wins worked them but doesnt work now much of the time.

 

[Make Sherdog Great Again]

Reasonable for its era but not even close to top 10 G n P by today's standards.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

Reasonable for its era but not even close to top 10 G n P by today's standards.

Lol

 

[Jewish Lightning]

Really I think thats a fundamental difference in the divisions as well, back in the mid 00's really you had very few fighters who were building their names off of declined opponents. Partly because most of the division was young and in their prime but also because older names either werent really viewed as being the very best wins or they simply werent very active when they dropped off like Bas and Kerr.

You don't have to filter the records of many HW's from that era the way you do those from following areas, simply listing wins worked them but doesnt work now much of the time.

Great post

 

[TerryBogard]

Haven't seen any HW until this day throw gnp like prime fedor.

Brock vs mir 2, 10 times more brutal than fedor, fact.

 

[HHJ]

Brock vs mir 2, 10 times more brutal than fedor, fact.

lol thats some funny ass shit

arm punches vs fedor's homicidal bombs

You lot took the short bus to school. Should apply dunce caps to your AV'S

 

[Jewish Lightning]

lol thats some funny ass shit

arm punches vs fedor's homicidal bombs

You lot took the short bus to school. Should apply dunce caps to your AV'S

Again people want to dismiss that Mir had been stopped on the ground 3 or 4 times before he fought Brock. It's not the same as beating down Nog who had never been stopped. Fedors GnP on Nog would have hospitalized Mir.

 

[HHJ]

Again people want to dismiss that Mir had been stopped many times before he fought Brock. It's not the same as beating down Nog who had never been stopped. Fedors GnP on Nog would have hospitalized Mir.

I mean its not even about that. Even if you knew nothing about any of them,brock is hitting mir w arm punches. There's no hip rotation there. If Mir wasnt trapped,he wouldve just got up and walked away

 

[maximus__]

Answer the specific question. Name one good young fighter he beat in their prime. Answer is none. Stipe is purely a geriatric killer. It’s not hard looking like a finisher when fighting elderly or not in prime guys

Fabricio Werdum. The guy who took out Cain, Fedor and Big Nog. He was 9-1 over a 6-7 year period against top guys who were winning and fighting f for titles across both Strikeforce and UFC.
His only loss was to Overeem in that period during the horsemeat era.

He also took out Francis in the first fight

 

[HHJ]

Stipe is a great fighter. No one should be discounting that.

is his GNP anything compared to the peerless might and reality distoring chernobyl soaked lunchboxes that Fedor shatters cheekbones and jaws with. No!


but thats ok! Stipe is still an all time great to anyone w sense.

 

[kenetics]

Brock vs mir 2, 10 times more brutal than fedor, fact.

Hahahaha sure...

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Maybe I’m splitting hairs over semantics? I don’t think so though. I think the work that Werdum put in with Cordeiro really paid off, and his striking got very good. Took a long time, but it paid off. So to me, the Werdum we saw against Hunt, Browne, and Cain was the best version of Werdum we ever saw. But that’s totally different than saying he was entering his prime then, that’s just preposterous. He was actually at the tail end of his prime then. Dude was practically 40 years old and 30 fights deep in his career.

To me prime means when were they at their best as a fighter, not when were they in the best physical shape. So Werdum imo had his fighting prime during his title run.

DC was probably in his physical prime when he debuted but you wouldn't call that prime DC I wouldn't have thought, or called early days Randy Couture prime Randy.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

Fabricio Werdum. The guy who took out Cain, Fedor and Big Nog. He was 9-1 over a 6-7 year period against top guys who were winning and fighting f for titles across both Strikeforce and UFC.
His only loss was to Overeem in that period during the horsemeat era.

He also took out Francis in the first fight

Werdum was 39 years old when he lost to Stipe. Definitely not his prime but close enough to it to be Stipes best win.

How was Francis in his prime when he had 3 years of MMA training and lost to Derrick Lewis in his next fight. Prime Francis is right now and he Hendo-Bisping KOd Stipe.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

To me prime means when were they at their best as a fighter, not when were they in the best physical shape. So Werdum imo had his fighting prime during his title run.

DC was probably in his physical prime when he debuted but you wouldn't call that prime DC I wouldn't have thought, or called early days Randy Couture prime Randy.

DCs prime was the span between his Strikeforce GP run up to his second fight with Jones IMO. Thats where his youth, his strength and his skill were at their peaks. He was still good after the second Jones fight but up until that fight he was at his very best. The DC who beat prime Barnett, prime Bigfoot, prime Gus and prime Rumble was the best DC we've seen IMO.

 

[HHJ]

DCs prime was his strikeforce gp win up to his second fight with Jones IMO. Thats where hid youth, his strength and his skill were at their peaks. He was still good after the second Jones fight but up until that fight he was at his very best. The DC who beat prime Barnett, prime Bigfoot, prime Gus and prime Rumble was the best DC we've seen..

Its weird. I wasnt sure what to think after the bigfoot fight. He didnt look that impressive to me there,he was slow and deliberate,but he just still walked right through bigfoot. it was like he fought the version of bigfoot that wasnt on TRT. The Barnett fight was what made me a true believer. Been a fan ever since.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

DCs prime was the span between his Strikeforce GP run up to his second fight with Jones IMO. Thats where his youth, his strength and his skill were at their peaks. He was still good after the second Jones fight but up until that fight he was at his very best. The DC who beat prime Barnett, prime Bigfoot, prime Gus and prime Rumble was the best DC we've seen IMO.

I would say late stage LHW DC probably, but I don't think we're far apart in prime, I was just using him to illustrate that someone's physical prime doesn't always correlate with their fighting prime

 

[Jewish Lightning]

Its weird. I wasnt sure what to think after the bigfoot fight. He didnt look that impressive to me there,he was slow and deliberate,but he just still walked right through bigfoot. The Barnett fight was what made me a true believer. Been a fan ever since.

I disagree. He looked amazing against Bigfoot who was 16-2 at the time and coming off a win over Fedor and was juiced up on TRT at at 285lbs on fight night. DC smashed him on the feet, stopped his takedown attempts and then floored him with an uppercut and hammer fisted him until his body went flat. Super underrated win IMO. That Bigfoot went on to the UFC to beat the shit out of Reem and Travis Browne who were top 5 HWs at the time.