Fedor Was Only 33yrs old When He lost to Werdum

[campbecc]

hardcore mma fans acting like the guy was 60yrs old and past his prime when he lost to werdum guy was barely hittin a HWs prime hell stipe was 1 year older when he won the title no doubt fedor was the 1 p4p hw during his pride run but in retrospect the guy barely cracks the top 5.

he stopped seriously training because he made millions. That is obvious by looking at him. After Pride was done and he signed with M1 it is obvious he was out of shape. Even in Affliction he was out of shape and nothing close to what he was in PRIDE.

 

[TJ177]

You could also play the same game with the other early-Zuffa era champions.

Chuck got pasted when he showed up in Pride, and Anderson was a joke before he got to Pride.

 

[sampuncher]

You could also play the same game with the other early-Zuffa era champions.

Chuck got pasted when he showed up in Pride, and Anderson was a joke before he got to Pride.

Chuck still beat Overeem in fairness.

I think Rampage just has Chucks number for life.

 

[edbn30]

He had already fought 33 times in a decade retard. Fight mileage matters more than fight age

Jose Aldo was also 33 when he fought Yan good luck trying to convince anyone that was prime Aldo

Fedor was already noticeably slowing down per his trainers and he also lost in Sambo for the first time a little while before the Werdum fight. He was just a headhunting brawler by that point who neglected his grappling

good information for the casuals my friend.

 

[kenetics]

The average age of UFC HW champions when they won the title is 31.06 years old.

31-33 is prime fighting age.

Only 2 current champions from both UFC and Bellator are under 30 years old, and they're in their late 20s (27 and 28).

The premise that Fedor was old and shopworn at 33 is false. He barely took any damage throughout his career, had no major surgeries, and more than half of his 27 fight unbeaten streak was against unranked fighters, cans, and freakshows. When he fought Werdum, it was the first time in his entire career that he faced 4 top 10 fighters in a row, with Rogers barely making the cut. Fedor would go on to amass a 3-3 (50%) record the first time he fought 6 top 10 guys in a row. Two of them barely made the top 10, and one was ranked in a lower division. The cage, the testing, the competition, and the length of his career all played a part in his eventual downfall. It wasn't just that he was "passed his prime".

Male physical prime starts roughly at 27-28, and begins to decline after 35 in most cases. He's an elite fucking athlete and didn't age faster than most humans.

No, just no

 

[ferrisjso]

hardcore mma fans acting like the guy was 60yrs old and past his prime when he lost to werdum guy was barely hittin a HWs prime hell stipe was 1 year older when he won the title no doubt fedor was the 1 p4p hw during his pride run but in retrospect the guy barely cracks the top 5.

I've been saying this for years.

Hendo was older than Fedor when he beat him. Yet Fedor only lost cause he was washed up.

 

[Vulcan]

I've been saying this for years.

Hendo was older than Fedor when he beat him. Yet Fedor only lost cause he was washed up.

yup and Hendo was a small MW

 

[7 others]

A retarded thread by a silver belt

Fascinating

 

[ScarfaceJr]

Aw shit free mason confirmed.

 

[acannxr]

hardcore mma fans acting like the guy was 60yrs old and past his prime when he lost to werdum guy was barely hittin a HWs prime hell stipe was 1 year older when he won the title no doubt fedor was the 1 p4p hw during his pride run but in retrospect the guy barely cracks the top 5.

I subscribe to the 9-year rule.

Nogueira never again got a win streak when he hit his 9th year, and he was 32 years old.
Velasquez lost to Werdum in his 9th year, and he was 33 years old.
JDS got TKO'd by Overeem in his 9th year, and he was 31 years old.
Rampage lost to Griffin in his 9th year, and he was 30 years old.
Jones got busted for PEDs in his 9th year, and he was 30 years old.
Weidman couldn't even make it to his 9th year, he started his losing streak in his 6th year at 31 years old.
Rockhold got knocked out by Bisping in his 9th year, and he was 31 years old.

I could continue citing UFC champions who declined around the same time (9th year in MMA, early 30's).

Another thing to take into consideration concerning Emelianenko is that he was also competing in a concurrent Sambo career, so he essentially had TWO mma careers going on at the same time; his 9th year in Sambo was the last time he earned a gold medal, receiving the bronze medal in his 10th year (2008).

 

[Usurper123]

It's MMA anyone can lose to anyone at anytime, that's why we watch. Fedor was overly aggressive going into Werdums guard, he made a mistake, it happens.

 

[TJ177]

Chuck still beat Overeem in fairness.

I think Rampage just has Chucks number for life.

Yes. Which was an okay win - but still pre-horsemeat Reem.

 

[kenetics]

I've been saying this for years.

Hendo was older than Fedor when he beat him. Yet Fedor only lost cause he was washed up.

Hendo didn't do combat sambo for years before doing mma. He did wrestling where you don't get punched. Pretty simple to understand.

 

[sampuncher]

Hendo didn't do combat sambo for years before doing mma. He did wrestling where you don't get punched. Pretty simple to understand.

I agree but you cant blame losses solely on fight mileages, i'd say poor judgement played a bigger part in the Werdum loss moreso than his mileage.

 

[TJ177]

In fairness to the Fedor detractors, I personally think it wasn't AS MUCH the mileage and the laziness that caught up to him as much as it was other people training much more smarter and with better camps. Maybe better PEDs too. But I think a lot of what worked for Fedor in Pride was a combination of both his skill and just the relative lack of sophistication in the sport at that time. Which does NOTHING to diminish from his legacy. You can only beat who is in front of you. And he beat the best there was for 10 years.

 

[ToiletSmasherTheFierce]

Lol, that was literally my point.

Nice to see you wasted your own time though writing that.

I did not waste my time reading all the comments, so instead I wasted my time writing it.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

hardcore mma fans acting like the guy was 60yrs old and past his prime when he lost to werdum guy was barely hittin a HWs prime hell stipe was 1 year older when he won the title no doubt fedor was the 1 p4p hw during his pride run but in retrospect the guy barely cracks the top 5.

You seem to believe everyone ages at the same rate. A quick glance at the wide variation of the age in which people die of natural causes (everything from at birth to at 122) should convince you otherwise. Or visit an old folks home (okay, hard right now during covid lockdowns) and see for yourself that some 100 year olds are in better shape and healthier than some 50 year olds -- that is, some people age twice as fast as other people.

The idea that everyone ages at the same rate (ie that everyone is in the same point in their life cycle) at say 33 is one of the stranger ones on Sherdog, given that almost everyone knows people die at different ages (even from natural causes).

Floretti did an excellent thread on the ages at which people become HW champion -- the range was from 25 to 43. Think about that for a second -- that's a huge range. Its not what you'd expect to see if everyone aged at the same rate.

 

[kenetics]

I agree but you cant blame losses solely on fight mileages, i'd say poor judgement played a bigger part in the Werdum loss moreso than his mileage.

Fedor went undefeated for years. He lost towards the end of his career. Everyone knew he was slowing down since the brett rodgers fight.

Fedor had alot if milage from combat sambo and mma more so then most fighters. Combat sambo is the closest thing to mma.

Not to mentioned you get old in the gym by all the time you prep for these competitions.

 

[NoStoneUnturned]

People should really stop trying to discredit Fedor. Nobody roots against a Russian fighter more than me and I'm blown away by what he did. I think Fedor is the HW GOAT.

At the same time guys should lay off acting as if he was "only" beat because he had mileage or was older. Hendo was three years older and a lifelong Olympic level wrestler. Folk/Free style/Greco wrestling isn't flow rolling at the local BJJ club. Man was at team quest as well, notorious for going really hard in every facet of MMA. I think part of the problem for Fedor at that time was his lack of quality opposition prior to those fights. 2007 was Lindland and Choi Hong-man. 2008 was Sylvia (dangerous but bad). 2009 was Arlovski (legit and was beating Fedor until he got hammered), and Rogers (dangerous but bad). Werdum was a big jump in submission capabilities. Hendo, is well, just mother blanking Hendo.

 

[kflo]

he stopped seriously training because he made millions. That is obvious by looking at him. After Pride was done and he signed with M1 it is obvious he was out of shape. Even in Affliction he was out of shape and nothing close to what he was in PRIDE.

Which is fair but being not as good because you stop trying and training as hard is different than losing because your physical skills are naturally deteriorating. The former can be true for any fighter at any time IN their prime for varying reasons. Tyson’s prime ended in his early 20s because of many factors none of which was a natural physical decline.

Fedor had plenty of physical mileage LEFT at that age. Contrary to the narrative from a lot of people in this thread he didn’t take a lot of damage in his fights (most are quick to point this out when discussing how good he was). He had some hand issues of course. But his wear and tear physically on his capabilities was probably NOT high on the list of reasons he lost to werdum.