Fedor Was Only 33yrs old When He lost to Werdum

[gono btw]

This has been covered time and time again. Mousasi is a champion at 35 with 56 MMA fights, a few boxing matches, and a few kickboxing matches. MMA career is over almost 18 years now.

Claiming 33 is old when it's the average age of champions is false.

Jan is 37 with 35 fights over 13 years.

Zero Historical Perspective....

 

[Fioretti]

You're repeating yourself without addressing what I'm saying.

I don't argue with brick walls, so have a nice life.

I've addressed it thoroughly. Fedor didn't lose to Werdum because he was 33 with 32 fights over 10 years. He didn't lose because he was "old" or "shopworn" or "slow" or "passed his prime" or "had so much fight mileage". He lost because he got reckless and made a stupid mistake.

The man showed incredible speed, power, and timing in his two fights prior, but somehow magically lost all his youth vs Werdum? Who was the same age, but less experienced? Nope!

 

[Fioretti]

You’re a Zoomer turd who has never competed at anything in your life.

Great rebuttal, and also incorrect. You're on a roll.

 

[Bacco]

I don't blame TS, i blame people for actually waste time replying to him

 

[Dbreiden83080]

You’re a Zoomer turd who has never competed at anything in your life.

Why do people insist on saying this when arguing? Lets just be clear.. None of us are GSP, and Khabib..

And leave it at that..

 

[Zebra Cheeks]

You’re a Zoomer turd who has never competed at anything in your life.

Aren’t you the guy that won’t go back into the war room since the election?

 

[Mamou]

You're not the issue, but you refuse to a cept facts and logic, and refuse to answer one simple question?

How many top 10 wins does Gary Goodridge have between 2002 and 2004?

I don't think you know the difference between facts and opinions.

Fact- Gary Goodridge was 7-1-1 in his last 9 going into the Fedor fight.

Opinion- Gary Goodridge wasn't a top 10 win for Fedor because he wasn't in the 2002 or 2004 rankings.

The best part about you claiming that I'm refusing to accept facts is that rankings are opinion based. The only difference is that i provided exactly what you asked for and you have yet to provide anything to support your claim.

 

[JayE]

I don't think Fedor had a massive amount of mileage relative to a lot of fighters his age the time the Werdum fight rolled around. His issue was pretty clearly a lack was discipline post Cro Cop fight. He didn't take the sport very seriously and his performances in the cage reflected that.

 

[Fioretti]

I don't think you know the difference between facts and opinions.

Fact- Gary Goodridge was 7-1-1 in his last 9 going into the Fedor fight.

Opinion- Gary Goodridge wasn't a top 10 win for Fedor because he wasn't in the 2002 or 2004 rankings.

The best part about you claiming that I'm refusing to accept facts is that rankings are opinion based. The only difference is that i provided exactly what you asked for and you have yet to provide anything to support your claim.

Gary has 0 top 10 wins. Your entire premise is based on whether or not he was ranked top 10 after beating 0-0 Lloyd van Dams and upping his record to 17-13-1 with, yet still, 0 top 10 wins.

He wasn't. You've already stated that you don't care who he beat, which proves you won't change your mind. I showed you historical rankings from surrounding time periods, and you refuse to accept that a win over Lloyd van Dams didn't propel Gary into the top 10. Be real, girl.

 

[Macaque]

That is because he is fighting non thai bums. He is Thailand's Harlem Globetrotter. Fedor can still look good if he fights bums...

Fair enough. Although, to be fair, we’re talking about a guy with 350ish fights who’s been training and competing in striking art since he was a kid. Not to mention physical decline is usually worse for strikers, who are more dependent on things like speed and reflexes. And in his early 30s he was beating guys like Nong-O.

 

[Gamer007]

He got sloppy because he didn’t have the stamina to wrestle anymore, the same way DC didn’t towards the end of his career.

If you’ve never wrestled before, you’ll never understand. It’s a grueling way to earn a living.

You lose that stamina when you become undisciplined in your training, I’ve wrestled before, not to earn a living though.

 

[Mamou]

Gary has 0 top 10 wins. Your entire premise is based on whether or not he was ranked top 10 after beating 0-0 Lloyd van Dams and upping his record to 17-13-1 with, yet still, 0 top 10 wins.

He wasn't. You've already stated that you don't care who he beat, which proves you won't change your mind. I showed you historical rankings from surrounding time periods, and you refuse to accept that a win over Lloyd van Dams didn't propel Gary into the top 10. Be real, girl.

No, YOU asked for someone to provide rankings that showed Goodridge in the top 10... I did that

Why would I need to change my mind? I'm not the one that had their mind made up before someone posted exactly what I asked for.

You provided rankings, yes that's accurate. But you did not provide rankings for the year of the fight in question.

And that fight wasn't the reason he was in the top 10, the reason he was in the top 10 was because guys like Rizzo were 1-4 in their last 5 with his only win being against a 4-2 fighter.

If you could just admit your faults, this could've ended yesterday, but here you are digging that hole deeper and deeper

 

[Fioretti]

No, YOU asked for someone to provide rankings that showed Goodridge in the top 10... I did that

Why would I need to change my mind? I'm not the one that had their mind made up before someone posted exactly what I asked for.

You provided rankings, yes that's accurate. But you did not provide rankings for the year of the fight in question.

And that fight wasn't the reason he was in the top 10, the reason he was in the top 10 was because guys like Rizzo were 1-4 in their last 5 with his only win being against a 4-2 fighter.

If you could just admit your faults, this could've ended yesterday, but here you are digging that hole deeper and deeper

You showed fight matrix generated rankings that are known to be flawed and inaccurate, and are clinging onto it for dear life because you want so badly to be right. Goodridge has 0 top 10 wins. He was not a top 10 fighter. 7-1-1 with 0 top wins means nothing. You know who was top 10 in 2003? Matyushenko - for beating Rizzo. Not Goodridge for beating Lloyd van Dams. Omg the mystery is solved!

Grow up, mama.

Travis Fulton has win streaks of 24, 28, and 40 in the same division. Was he ranked for beating 0-0 fighters? Why not?

 

[snaportap21]

In wrestling, not in MMA. How many punches to the face do you think he took as an Olympic wrestler?

Fedor wasn’t getting lit up like that. Fedor was mostly swinging the hammer. And I’d think damage to ones back and knees come with Olympic wrestling. That’s pretty significant as well.

 

[Mamou]

[QUOTE="Fioretti, post: 162912891, member: 37136"]You showed fight matrix generated rankings that are known to be flawed and inaccurate, and are clinging onto it for dear life because you want so badly to be right. Goodridge has 0 top 10 wins. He was not a top 10 fighter. 7-1-1 with 0 top wins means nothing. You know who was top 10 in 2003? Matyushenko - for beating Rizzo. Not Goodridge for beating Lloyd van Dams. Omg the mystery is solved!

Grow up, mama.

Travis Fulton has win streaks of 24, 28, and 40 in the same division. Was he ranked for beating 0-0 fighters? Why not?[/QUOTE]
That's more than you have shown on the topic that you asked for.

And you're correct, Vlad was in the top 10



Ah, that can't be right though, it's a flawed and inaccurate ranking system...

 

[JKS]

The thing is....he wasn't. Val Overeem wasn't either. There was much fewer rankings back then than there are now, with MMAWeekly being the consensus best source. You're right, though, that back then we'd still have maybe 5 or 6 different sources, with most of them being almost identical (working off MMAWeekly) and one or two having some weird ass, unaccepted, and obscure dudes on there from time to time. We would mostly discard anybody who wasn't on 3 of the main ones consistently. Info is much more accessible and consistent now, goddamn.

Point is, Gary Goodridge in 2003 with a 17-13-1 record and coming off a victory of Lloyd van Dams was not top 10, and the fanatics insist he was. They try to use this to deny the fact that 1/3rd of Fedor's 27 fight unbeaten streak was against subpar competition for the #1 ranked HW in the world. It's weak as fuck.

I think you're trying to make too much sense of it and go by a organized structure we're used to now from a time where everything was pretty much chaos and disorganized. But Gary was ranked top 10 on some sites.

About him being 17-13, I don't think you can really judge a fighter based off his entire record when talking ranking, I think you gotta narrow it down to a more specific time frame. As mentioned above, Gary had the best win/loss record between 2000 and 2005 when he fought Fedor. So what happened prior to after isn't really relevant. I mean you know there are dozens and dozens of cases where a fighter has a average record and then at a certain point in their career they get it together. Like Jorge Masvidal for example, the man was 32-13 before he even became a top level fighter. RDA for example, started his career 15-6, then mid career when he had his best run went 11-3, and then since then he's 2-4. Not saying Gary and these two are on the same level, just that fighter hit their peak and rankings at a certain point and then the rest of their careers they're lesser fighters.

Fedor had a 27 win streak but its a very unique scenario. You can't really compare him to a standard mma streak. First, he won 27 fights in a row which is rare, it was between like 5-6 organizations, contract disputes etc. It's an odd scenario. He's bound to have inconsistency in competition.

 

[Fioretti]

That's more than you have shown on the topic that you asked for.

And you're correct, Vlad was in the top 10

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Ah, that can't be right though, it's a flawed and inaccurate ranking system...

Look at the fucking picture and tell me how Gary Goodridge is ranked over #10-15 on those flawed, inaccurate, and generated rankings without a single top 10 win and a victory over van Dams.

Please tell me how that's accurate. You don't believe it, you know it's untrue, but are playing internet pretend time Patty cake. Be real.

 

[Fioretti]

I think you're trying to make too much sense of it and go by a organized structure we're used to now from a time where everything was pretty much chaos and disorganized. But Gary was ranked top 10 on some sites.

About him being 17-13, I don't think you can really judge a fighter based off his entire record when talking ranking, I think you gotta narrow it down to a more specific time frame. As mentioned above, Gary had the best win/loss record between 2000 and 2005 when he fought Fedor. So what happened prior to after isn't really relevant. I mean you know there are dozens and dozens of cases where a fighter has a average record and then at a certain point in their career they get it together. Like Jorge Masvidal for example, the man was 32-13 before he even became a top level fighter. RDA for example, started his career 15-6, then mid career when he had his best run went 11-3, and then since then he's 2-4. Not saying Gary and these two are on the same level, just that fighter hit their peak and rankings at a certain point and then the rest of their careers they're lesser fighters.

Fedor had a 27 win streak but its a very unique scenario. You can't really compare him to a standard mma streak. First, he won 27 fights in a row which is rare, it was between like 5-6 organizations, contract disputes etc. It's an odd scenario. He's bound to have inconsistency in competition.

I'm not basing it on Gary's record alone. He has 0 top 10 wins. Rankings were still rankings, and by 02-04, there was much more consistency to them.

I get what you're saying about Fedor's competition, and there's truth to it, but the one consistent thing about his competition is he faced subpar and unworthy fighters. 33% of that 27 is against top 10 fighters. 66% being unranked, and is the most consistent element to the equation, by double.

 

[Mamou]

Look at the fucking picture and tell me how Gary Goodridge is ranked over #10-15 on those flawed, inaccurate, and generated rankings without a single top 10 win and a victory over van Dams.

Please tell me how that's accurate. You don't believe it, you know it's untrue, but are playing internet pretend time Patty cake. Be real.

So by your calculations, everyone in the top 10 is correct except Goodridge?

 

[Fioretti]

So by your calculations, everyone in the top 10 is correct except Goodridge?

You remind me of Thunderdamus. How many times have you avoided answering the question now? You're really making a solid case for yourself, friend.

How many top 10 wins did Gary Goodridge have from 2002-2003? Answer with a simple numerical value.