Fedor Was Only 33yrs old When He lost to Werdum

Mamou said:
Hey man, they conveniently don't have the rankings from 2003, so if you weren't ranked in 2002 or 2004, you can't be ranked in 2003. Those are just facts...
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Without a top 10 win, how can you be ranked? Lloyd van Dams, right? Jan Nortje? Facts?
 
Fioretti said:
So you both disagree with anyone calling Hunt a top 10 win for Fedor? He had one top 10 win (split decision over Mirko) exactly one year before his fight with Fedor, got two unranked wins in between, then lost to Barnett in his fight immediately before fighting Fedor for the title.

He was 5-2 and coming off a loss with only 1 top 10 a year prior.

Matyushenko beat top 10 Rizzo, earning his spot, then lost to Arlovski immediately after, earning Arlovski a top 10 spot.

How did Gary get top 10 again?
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Did Arlovski fight Vlad before or after Fedor fought Goodridge? Asking for a friend...
 
mst-dot said:
Except dc had a lot of mileage coming in so did cain so did brock..
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No, he didn’t. DC was at his peak around 2014, about 5 years into his career. Year 10 (2019/2020) is when DC fell off a cliff, getting stopped twice by Stipe.

Use your brain. Do the math. You aren’t going to be in your prime 10 years into your career. Look at almost any athlete from boxing to MMA. The list of fighters washed up 10 years in is infinitely longer than the ones who weren’t.
 
sampuncher said:
Man, let it go now surely.

Surely you can both just agree to disagree and we can carry on with this thread without having to read this pathetic back and forth about 2003 rankings.
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I'm not the issue here
 
Gamer007 said:
There's some truth on both sides of this discussion

Yes Fedor had some serious mileage at the time, but it wasn't the reason he lost the fight.

The reason Fedor lost that fight was because he slowly became more and more undisciplined and sloppy over the years until he ran into the wrong guy. That was a winnable fight for Fedor, and he lost because he made a critical mistake.
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He got sloppy because he didn’t have the stamina to wrestle anymore, the same way DC didn’t towards the end of his career.

If you’ve never wrestled before, you’ll never understand. It’s a grueling way to earn a living.
 
Starman said:
33 in combat sports is old, especially for a fighter with the miles Fedor had on him.

He’d been in MMA for over a decade by the time he fought Werdum, and had been doing Sambo for 20 years.

I know for Millennials and their bastard offspring Zoomer trash who’ve never done anything even remotely close to sports or competition in general, this will be a foreign concept, but athletes have an incredibly short shelf life.

Running backs in the NFL have maybe 5 years, at best, before their bodies start breaking down. NBA players about 10.

Now imagine getting punched in the face for a living for 10 years straight (because they’re eating shots in practice every day too, regardless of protective headgear), and you might start to get a clue. Or not.
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32.63 is the average age of all current MMA champions from UFC and Bellator.

31.06 is the average age of every UFC HW champion in history when they first captured the title.

33 is prime MMA championship fighting age, not old.
 
Fioretti said:
32.63 is the average age of all current MMA champions from UFC and Bellator.

31.06 is the average age of every UFC HW champion in history when they first captured the title.

33 is prime MMA championship fighting age, not old.
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No, it isn’t, dumb dumb. 33 isn’t prime, even for someone whose never played sports a day in their life.
 
Fioretti said:
32.63 is the average age of all current MMA champions from UFC and Bellator.

31.06 is the average age of every UFC HW champion in history when they first captured the title.

33 is prime MMA championship fighting age, not old.
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Except that's a really ridiculous statistic to look at. You have to account for the individual fighter and their history, not whatever age the early UFC champs were when they won the belt.

Randy Couture didn't start fighting until his 30s. Fedor was fighting from a very young age. That's a huge difference.
 
Fioretti said:
You're not the issue, but you refuse to a cept facts and logic, and refuse to answer one simple question?

How many top 10 wins does Gary Goodridge have between 2002 and 2004?
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You're all the issue here. Noone else in the thread cares where Gary Goodridge was ranked.

You're both right guys, well done all.
 
TerrorTimmy said:
Except that's a really ridiculous statistic to look at. You have to account for the individual fighter and their history, not whatever age the early UFC champs were when they won the belt.

Randy Couture didn't start fighting until his 30s. Fedor was fighting from a very young age. That's a huge difference.
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It's not just from early UFC. The average of current champions is actually higher.
 
whitebelt4life said:
"Mileage"...most of his fights went one round. He wasn't exactly in a ton of Ali like wars.
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The Pride first rounds were also longer, he didn't finish every fight in 2 minutes. There's also something called sparring, not sure if you've heard of it.
 
Fioretti said:
It's not just from early UFC. The average of current champions is actually higher.
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Yes, and that's my point. Look at each individual, because each one has a different story. Comparing Fedor at 33 to DC at 38 isn't exactly fair. Fedor had more fights by 33 than DC had in his entire career.

Stop ignoring that.
 
sampuncher said:
You're all the issue here. Noone else in the thread cares where Gary Goodridge was ranked.

You're both right guys, well done all.
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Everybody trying to exaggerate Fedor's top 10 wins cares. Mama is just being defiant at this point.
 
TerrorTimmy said:
Yes, and that's my point. Look at each individual, because each one has a different story. Comparing Fedor at 33 to DC at 38 isn't exactly fair. Fedor had more fights by 33 than DC had in his entire career.

Stop ignoring that.
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This has been covered time and time again. Mousasi is a champion at 35 with 56 MMA fights, a few boxing matches, and a few kickboxing matches. MMA career is over almost 18 years now.

Claiming 33 is old when it's the average age of champions is false.

Jan is 37 with 35 fights over 13 years.
 
Fioretti said:
This has been covered time and time again. Mousasi is a champion at 35 with 56 MMA fights, a few boxing matches, and a few kickboxing matches. MMA career is over almost 18 years now.

Claiming 33 is old when it's the average age of champions is false.

Jan is 37 with 35 fights over 13 years.
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You're repeating yourself without addressing what I'm saying.

I don't argue with brick walls, so have a nice life.
 
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