Fedor is BY FAR the Longest Reigning Consensus #1 Ranked HW

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As we all know strength is what determines the best fighters and is able to overcome all types of martial arts, UFC clearly needs to start recruiting more weightlifters.

Also Fedor's three losses in a row in Strikeforce kind of take away from his legacy.
 
as i see it
Fedor Goat HW
Jones GOAT LHW
Anderson GOAT MW
GSP GOAT WW
Edgar/Penn GOAT LW
Aldo GOAT FW
Cruz GOAT BW
MM GOAT FLW
Ronda GOAT WBW

all other arguments are facetious and moot
 
as i see it
Fedor Goat HW
Jones GOAT LHW
Anderson GOAT MW
GSP GOAT WW
Edgar/Penn GOAT LW
Aldo GOAT FW
Cruz GOAT BW
MM GOAT FLW
Ronda GOAT WBW

all other arguments are facetious and moot

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Edgar: 4 Top 10 Wins at LW; 1 title; 2 title defenses

That puts him firmly behind Penn, Benson, Gomi, and Aoki.
 
Its ironic that the very reason WW was hyped as a strong division for so long is actually why is was a relatively weak division so long. That is the UFC being the only org to seriously invest in it during the early 00's, unlike 155, 185, 205 and HW they did have most of the best talent and as a result hyped the division a lot. That also ment however that the overall investment in WW was very limited AND focused mostly on US wrestlers.

The way BJ moved up to 170lbs dispite actually being capable of fighting at 145lbs without dropping much muscle and beat the #1 fighter shows you just how weak things were. Equally Fitch was able to be the #2 fighter for years on end dispite relatively few big wins and with quite a limited skill set, good but not awesome wrestler, passable striker and sub fighter at best. You compare that to say Nog at HW who was an elite sub fighter and an excellent striker.

You also look at whats happened more recently, guys like Lawler, Maia and Palhares have moved down to 170lbs and cut though much of the division. The reason being IMHO that WW at recently as 3-4 years ago(and so some degree still today) was weak in terms of striking and submission talent being heavily wrestling focused.

For all the talk about Pride HW legends being "out evolved" I actually think that its WW and MW that have evolved a lot more since most of the reign of the UFC's hyped GOATs in GSP and Anderson dispite those reigns being latter than Fedor/Nog. HW back the early/mid 00's had elite striking, submission and wrestling talent involved with a lot of well rounded fighters at the top, WW was mostly wrestlers and MW mostly rather one dimensional fighters even into the late 00's.

The explanation is simple as well, HW had serious investment in it way way before 170lbs and 185lbs going back to the mid 90's, MW and WW really only had serious investment in them as GSP and Andersons fame took off which took a few more years to feed into more talented divisions we have today.

Excellent post.
Should be required reading for Zuffa fanboys.
 
Its ironic that the very reason WW was hyped as a strong division for so long is actually why is was a relatively weak division so long. That is the UFC being the only org to seriously invest in it during the early 00's, unlike 155, 185, 205 and HW they did have most of the best talent and as a result hyped the division a lot. That also ment however that the overall investment in WW was very limited AND focused mostly on US wrestlers.

The way BJ moved up to 170lbs dispite actually being capable of fighting at 145lbs without dropping much muscle and beat the #1 fighter shows you just how weak things were. Equally Fitch was able to be the #2 fighter for years on end dispite relatively few big wins and with quite a limited skill set, good but not awesome wrestler, passable striker and sub fighter at best. You compare that to say Nog at HW who was an elite sub fighter and an excellent striker.

You also look at whats happened more recently, guys like Lawler, Maia and Palhares have moved down to 170lbs and cut though much of the division. The reason being IMHO that WW at recently as 3-4 years ago(and so some degree still today) was weak in terms of striking and submission talent being heavily wrestling focused.

For all the talk about Pride HW legends being "out evolved" I actually think that its WW and MW that have evolved a lot more since most of the reign of the UFC's hyped GOATs in GSP and Anderson dispite those reigns being latter than Fedor/Nog. HW back the early/mid 00's had elite striking, submission and wrestling talent involved with a lot of well rounded fighters at the top, WW was mostly wrestlers and MW mostly rather one dimensional fighters even into the late 00's.

The explanation is simple as well, HW had serious investment in it way way before 170lbs and 185lbs going back to the mid 90's, MW and WW really only had serious investment in them as GSP and Andersons fame took off which took a few more years to feed into more talented divisions we have today.

What do you mean by investment?
 
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I think Fedor is clearly the HW Goat by accomplishment. It's historically a shallow division with a lot of great talent a the top. During his run, Fedor convincingly beat just about every heavyweight of his era who had a claim to elite status (Herring, Cro Cop, Nog, Coleman, Arlovski, Sylvia). But he also had a lot of time off and fought a lot of people who had no business being in the same ring with the HW Goat. Due to the way Pride made fights and the choices of Fedor's management, he did not consistently fight the #1 contender or even top contenders 2-3 times per year. So to compare the length of his reign to the guys today who face top talent in virtually every fight is unfair to today's heavyweights. Book a peak Werdum, Cain, or JDS in the same way Fedor was booked during that streak and we could be looking at the same outcome. But Fedor stepped up to each challenge and won convincingly enough that you can't take that Goat status away from him very easily. No one today can point to their accomplishments as being better than Fedor's yet.
 
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I'm a big UFC fan and have been for two decades. But from 2002-2007, the best HWs in the world were in Pride. The two Affliction events in 2008 and 2009 had the best collection of HW talent. And Strikeforce arguably had the best HW talent lineup for their 2009-2011 run. At the very least it was on par with the UFC's HW roster at the time. Fedor domincated in 2 of these 3 eras. The last 3-4 years have been the only time in over a decade that the best HWs in the world were pretty much all in the UFC.
 
Good work as usual Coffee. Nevermind that it regards Fedor, which I admit I like, overall your stats and research is a breath of fresh air.
Well there ya go.
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as i see it
Fedor Goat HW
Jones GOAT LHW
Anderson GOAT MW
GSP GOAT WW
Edgar/Penn GOAT LW
Aldo GOAT FW
Cruz GOAT BW
MM GOAT FLW
Ronda GOAT WBW

all other arguments are facetious and moot

Fedor GOAT HW
Randy GOAT HW/LHW tweener
Jones GOAT LHW
Hendo GOAT LHW/MW tweener
Anderson GOAT MW
Shields GOAT MW/WW tweener
GSP GOAT WW
Penn GOAT WW/LW tweener
Penn GOAT LW
Edgar GOAT LW/FW tweener
Aldo GOAT FW
Urijah GOAT LW/FW tweener
Cruz GOAT BW
MM GOAT BW/FLW twenner
MM GOAT FLW

Cyborg GOAT wFW
Ronda GOAT wBW
Tara GOAT wFLW
Megumi GOAT wSTW
 
Best fighter ever...............in the minor leagues...triple A...semi-pro...CFL...Collage
^Weirdo's like this...^
Just want to believe something so much that they ignore or dismiss substance like this...

I'm a big UFC fan and have been for two decades. But from 2002-2007, the best HWs in the world were in Pride. The two Affliction events in 2008 and 2009 had the best collection of HW talent. And Strikeforce arguably had the best HW talent lineup for their 2009-2011 run. At the very least it was on par with the UFC's HW roster at the time. Fedor domincated in 2 of these 3 eras. The last 3-4 years have been the only time in over a decade that the best HWs in the world were pretty much all in the UFC.

Fedor ran game in the top Promotion (HWs) for years. Then three of the "other" Promotion's top HWs left there, in order to go face Fedor in the new promotion, Affiliction. Fedor took two of them out -- top 5 ranked Sylvia and top 3 ranked Arlovski. The third was top 10 ranked Randy, but was tied up contractually and couldn't leave the UFC to go fight Fedor, like he intended to.
 
Where's Zuffa4life? I want his educated, experienced, otherworldy perspective...

Fedor is a hyped up and overrated fighter who was fortunate enough to fight in an era of weak heavyweights. He's hyped up because he looks like a sociopathic Russian bus driver and dispatches cans with ease. If he was some fatass from the midwest US and had the same career, he would not be famous. But because he is Russian, he seems exotic and Sherdog worships him (FYI, no one outside Sherdog gives a shit about him).

He only has a couple of decent wins in his career. Arona beat him. It was a shit decision, and you can watch the fight yourself and see:

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His fights with Big Nog were good, but Nog is basically a punching bag then and now. His fight with Crocop was probably the best win of his career and legit, but that's just one good win. The other wins are really not impressive at all, and the three times he fought in the US he got destroyed. He knows this, which is why he is signing with some Japanese organization that has no roster at the moment.

Here's a list of fighters active in MMA today who would destroy him now and would have destroyed him in his prime, and let's start with LHWs for fun since, after all, Fedor is just a fat LHW:


Dan Henderson
Jon Jones
Alex Gustafsson
Daniel Cormier
Glover Teixeira
OSP
Anthony Johnson
Ryan Bader

Heavyweights:

Fabricio Werdum
Mark Hunt
Roy Nelson
Cain Velasquez
Overeem
Travis Browne

I also think that Weidman, Vitor, Luke Rockhold, Jacare, and Mousasi would mop the floor with him now and in his prime.
 
It's unlikely, but Cain could pull it off. He's 4 years off from that record. He fights once a year. So he just has to win 4 in a row.

He'd be a prohibitive favorite against anyone other than Werdum right now. Werdum is pretty old, and there are precious few rising challengers at HW. If some animal emerged today, they still might not get a shot for 3 years or so. Conor is as popular and successful a fighter as anyone to emerge in the UFC, and it took him nearly 3 years to get Aldo in the cage.

Stipe is an interesting matchup for Velasquez.
The counter wrestling, the giant head, good power.
 
Then I think you're playing it wrong, lol. I always make deals, force people into unfair loans. 100% steal money. it's what reminds me how capitalism works, :P



I'm not calling age a prime. GSP was clearly in his prime during his loss to Hughes and 110% for sure when Serra finished him. At the bear minimum he lost once in his prime and couldn't finish competition in his prime.

Don't know if you noticed, but HW primes are usually faster than everyone else... due to giant gorillas punching you in the face.

You're reaching so far for this. His loss to Hughes was pretty early in his career (his 8th fight), and it may have even been before he was with Jackson (although I dont really know the chronology).

The point is, stop this. This never goes well when someone plants their feet and are completely adamant about a point they cannot prove. They say completely silly things like what you just said. Stop it. The only thing that will happen is you will continue to grab random points out of thin air that crumble at the slightest bit of inspection.

As for the thread, I cannot even fathom that someone would argue otherwise to Fedor having the longest reigning consensus HW ranking.
 
The guy you responded to hated and exaggerated a bit too much.

But, "at the time"? C'mon...

Matt Hughes is a true antique in modern MMA. If he can't get his TD and be on top of the opponent, he is finished. That was proven a LONG time ago when he fought Jose Pele Landi.

Fitch? Most overrated fighter ever (by Sherdog). What was different about Fitch when GSP beat him and when he got KO'd by Hendricks and dominated by Maia? Please tell me.
Yea, he was supposedly "#2" when he was laying on top of guys like Ben Saunders.

BJ is and was a LW, and not a big one. Whatever achievements he has at WW happened back when nobody was an advanced MMA fighter; BJ was a great top position BJJ BB with very fine boxing.

Alves... ok, so tell me what was different about the Alves that got wrestle F'd by Rick Story than the one that faced GSP?
He got way too much credit for beating the antiquated Hughes and for winning a decision of that kickboxer Koscheck.

Kos? Nice title run. Get's KO'd by Paulo Thiago and loses a decision to Thiago Alves and he's a "perennial contender", go figure.

And you didn't mention him, but let's talk Jake Shields. He was a MW champ. When he enters the UFC he's suddenly a WW, and GSP gets credit for all of Jake's accomplishments at 185? C'mon.
Tell Fabricio Werdum he has to fight at LHW for his next fight, and then I'll brag about the guy who beats his starving ass.

Bad matchmaking created a an idiotic pecking order at WW and I thought as much back then.
But GSP's wins over Hendricks and Condit were excellent. THAT is why GSP is the king.
Not because of his overrated wins earlier on.

Do you even realize how much easier it would be to pick apart Fedors resume?

We're talking Coleman, Randleman, Herring, Fujita, Goodridge and K-1 fighters for fucks sake. "UFC rejects" like Timmeh and Arlovski "4 KO losses in a row".

Aside from Big Nog and Mirko, you could absolutely pick apart the fighters in the same manner you just did and do it with much less effort.
 
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