Media Fedor Emelianenko or Georges St-Pierre - Who is the greatest MMA fighter of all-time? (Finals O/T)

[chinarice]

Gsp quit when the going got tough.

What did Fedor do by comparison? Beat cans and old dudes and get KO'ed by MWs and light heavyweights and get gifted a decision against one that used him as a punching bag? That's definitely better....

 

[Preston broadus]

What did Fedor do by comparison? Beat cans and old dudes and get KO'ed by MWs and light heavyweights and get gifted a decision against one that used him as a punching bag? That's definitely better....

Fedor is the GOAT

 

[Typrune Goatley]

What did Fedor do by comparison? Beat cans and old dudes and get KO'ed by MWs and light heavyweights and get gifted a decision against one that used him as a punching bag? That's definitely better....

Fedor had good wins like Ishi, Tim Johnson, Mir, Chael. GSP definitely could have done the same thing or better in his late 30's and 40's. That's not the issue.

The issue is when you Canadians bring up Fedor's late career losses (40 years + with 50 fights) like that is some kind of tie breaker for GOAT status. It's ridiculous because GSP quit at age 32 and doesn't even have 30 fights. You can't punish one guy for fighting old while the other guy didn't even fight old. It would make more sense to compare their first 28 or 30 fights.

 

[chinarice]

Fedor is the GOAT

Debatable

Fedor had good wins like Ishi, Tim Johnson, Mir, Chael. GSP definitely could have done the same thing or better in his late 30's and 40's. That's not the issue.

The issue is when you Canadians bring up Fedor's late career losses (40 years + with 50 fights) like that is some kind of tie breaker for GOAT status. It's ridiculous because GSP quit at age 32 and doesn't even have 30 fights. You can't punish one guy for fighting old while the other guy didn't even fight old. It would make more sense to compare their first 28 or 30 fights.

I never did what you're claiming. You Fedor fans, or shall I say, non-Canadians, just making stuff up

 

[cburm]

Are you asking who's better or who had the better career because fedor has Ben surpassed for goat.. and neither are in the list and the only one whos opinion of gsp being the goat are the gsp die hards in gsps time they were pretty quiet when he was getting booed for half his fights..

Folks are delusional one is the welterweight goat has the most ww title defences..

The other is the hw goat for hw title defences..

And I jbj is the great lest MMA fighter of all time

 

[Mike]

Are you asking who's better or who had the better career because fedor has Ben surpassed for goat.. and neither are in the list and the only one whos opinion of gsp being the goat are the gsp die hards in gsps time they were pretty quiet when he was getting booed for half his fights..

Folks are delusional one is the welterweight goat has the most ww title defences..

The other is the hw goat for hw title defences..

And I jbj is the great lest MMA fighter of all time

Yet no matter how many polls we do Jones never wins. It's not some narrow group of people that think he isn't goat.

 

[Felya]

Yet no matter how many polls we do Jones never wins. It's not some narrow group of people that think he isn't goat.

Because people dislike Jones for his actions outside of the octagon because there is no one that's been able to do what he has inside of it.

 

[Mike]

Because people dislike Jones for his actions outside of the octagon because there is no one that's been able to do what he has inside of it.

Being the biggest cheater in the history of the sport isn't "actions outside the cage"

Jones fans act like you can cheat an infinite amount and it won't hurt your legacy as long as you win. Well, turns out that's a minority viewpoint.

 

[Luffy]

Being the biggest cheater in the history of the sport isn't "actions outside the cage"

Jones fans act like you can cheat an infinite amount and it won't hurt your legacy as long as you win. Well, turns out that's a minority viewpoint.

Well, as far as what he has accomplished inside the octagon, he is #1 if we try to go by the most logical criteria. The only fight officially recognized as unfair due to PEDs was the DC II... So on no contest. He is 29-0 officially. 28-1 if you consider his DQ because of upwards elbow when the opponent was already defeated and the judge wouldn't stop... But common sense is 29-0. Only Khabib has it, but most of half of Khabib's fights were not in the UFC. 3 of Khabib were title defenses. JJ had 26 fights in the UFC and defended his title 13 or 14 times (roughly the amount of fights Khabib has in the UFC) and is a double champion.

The others champ champ have not a 29-0 record either... You can't fight against numbers. But if GOAT includes things non fighting related, like, the impact the fighter has over aspiring fighters, the positive influence they give, then ok, sure. But if GOAT is to fighting only, then there's no way around that.

 

[Elvis.]

I really think the right thing to do it to declare a draw and we all go drinking in both of their honours

 

[Glove]

Fedor Emilannewko is the greatest MMA fighter of all time in my 31 years of watching NHB-MMA.

 

[SJP_SevenLaker]

Just voted and it's sitting at 283 a piece. Literally 50/50

 

[Luffy]

Add a poll asking "who has the most impressive official record, title defenses, double champion and defense in the double championship, and who most fighters cite as the best of all times?" .... The choice would be clear. But ppl have a different version of best of all fighters. Dunno why.

 

[FriskyRandy]

Fedor fought way too long too. Hard to not think about the brutal losses and stinker fighte he had while out of his prime.

 

[Mike]

Well, as far as what he has accomplished inside the octagon, he is #1 if we try to go by the most logical criteria. The only fight officially recognized as unfair due to PEDs was the DC II... So on no contest. He is 29-0 officially. 28-1 if you consider his DQ because of upwards elbow when the opponent was already defeated and the judge wouldn't stop... But common sense is 29-0. Only Khabib has it, but most of half of Khabib's fights were not in the UFC. 3 of Khabib were title defenses. JJ had 26 fights in the UFC and defended his title 13 or 14 times (roughly the amount of fights Khabib has in the UFC) and is a double champion.

The others champ champ have not a 29-0 record either... You can't fight against numbers. But if GOAT includes things non fighting related, like, the impact the fighter has over aspiring fighters, the positive influence they give, then ok, sure. But if GOAT is to fighting only, then there's no way around that.

Gonna stop you right at only the one time he popped counts. No. YOU guys can of course have that opinion if you like. Outside of Jones and Silva superfans, nobody else agrees.

Once you fail a test that casts doubt over everything you ever did. Nobody believes guys randomly start juicing right before their first failed test.

Then you add in that he had multiple failures, and has multiple souls in most of his fights. That's a pattern. He'll take any shortcut and break any rule to win. To most people, that's an automatic disqualification from being the goat. And that's not some weird MMA take. In fact across all of sports a steroid bust destroys your entire career and legacy. If anything, only in MMA do I see fanbases trying to come up with excuses for why cheating is ok.

 

[2004 account]

And fedor has tied gsp folks!

 

[Luffy]

Gonna stop you right at only the one time he popped counts. No. YOU guys can of course have that opinion if you like. Outside of Jones and Silva superfans, nobody else agrees.

Once you fail a test that casts doubt over everything you ever did. Nobody believes guys randomly start juicing right before their first failed test.

Then you add in that he had multiple failures, and has multiple souls in most of his fights. That's a pattern. He'll take any shortcut and break any rule to win. To most people, that's an automatic disqualification from being the goat. And that's not some weird MMA take. In fact across all of sports a steroid bust destroys your entire career and legacy. If anything, only in MMA do I see fanbases trying to come up with excuses for why cheating is ok.

He popped in a fight, which was agreed to have given him a possible leeway, was DC II. That's facts. No other fight had a positive test that made clear his performance was enhanced. Case closed. You can't say that "because this person had been caught doing something not allowed here, then it invalidates all his fights because they also could be". No evidence, so no. Speculations have no bearing in arguing what is true or not. A might is just imagination, what if, lala land...

You made a rule that disqualifies for GOAT status. If that's how you think, ok, it's your opinion. But professional fighters like Khabib, GSP, Topuria, DC, Werdum, Chimaev, Poatan think otherwise. And they are there in the fighting business, they know what it is like to fight there among the best. Tom would also say that JJ was the GOAT ---- see his comment right after JJ vs Gane. It was only after he saw that there was a real chance that he could fight JJ that he started taking a different position to promote the fight — and even then, Tom while not being true to what he believes so he can promote the rivalry with JJ, still said he wouldn't put him lower than #2.... Lmao

 

[JPOMMA]

Gonna stop you right at only the one time he popped counts. No. YOU guys can of course have that opinion if you like. Outside of Jones and Silva superfans, nobody else agrees.

Once you fail a test that casts doubt over everything you ever did. Nobody believes guys randomly start juicing right before their first failed test.

Then you add in that he had multiple failures, and has multiple souls in most of his fights. That's a pattern. He'll take any shortcut and break any rule to win. To most people, that's an automatic disqualification from being the goat. And that's not some weird MMA take. In fact across all of sports a steroid bust destroys your entire career and legacy. If anything, only in MMA do I see fanbases trying to come up with excuses for why cheating is ok.

Not only that but there’s also the spirit of the sport. There is a reason why GSP revered Fedor, as did many other fighters. Some fighters really embody the martial arts spirit, and some don’t. Jones may be the most naturally gifted of the bunch, but he lacks in terms of martial arts spirit and ethos. I think that’s why GSP and Fedor ultimately always end up as the top two in this conversation. They walked the walk and people can see that.

 

[Mr.Maelstrom]

Dead heat at 283 votes for each.

(I haven't voted)

 

[Tsuli]

Dead heat at 283 votes for each.
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(I haven't voted)

Should we just call it a draw?

Fedor's the GOAT of MMA in a ring. GSP is the GOAT of MMA in a cage. More we cannot say.