Media Fedor Emelianenko or Georges St-Pierre - Who is the greatest MMA fighter of all-time? (Finals O/T)

[Doctor Grudge]

Not only is he the best MMA fighter ever, he just might be the most knowledgeable martial artist ever

Black belt with a couple of dans in Kyokushin Karate
Trained with one of the best boxing coach ever
Trained with one of the best jiu jitsu coach ever
Trained with Canada's wrestling team
Plus he bring other disciplines to the table, like gymnastic and shit

The day GSP dies, he'll take an incredible amount of knowledge with him

damn, canada's wrestling team. that's some power!

 

[Chayanne]

Fedor

 

[snaportap21]

Who is the Greatest MMA fighter of all-time?
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HW is a very difficult weight class to go on an extended win streak in. One punch can change everything. On top of that, Fedor was fighting men far larger than himself while gsp was one of the biggest wws. I give the slight edge to Fedor.

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[Bouboumaster]

damn, canada's wrestling team. that's some power!

Not the best wrestling country on Planet Earth, but not the worse


Still, it was enough to make GSP the single best MMA wrestler ever, so

 

[Typrune Goatley]

And while I believe prime Fedor would basically beat everyone or almost everyone, he tarnished his legacy past prime and being GOAT means that your whole career is revisioned not prime part of it.

So you would rank him higher if he had just abruptly retired when he was 31-1?

Guys like GSP and Khabib quit at the top of the sport at age 32. Fedor and Anderson Silva could have done the same. Instead they were warriors and kept fighting into their late 30s and 40s.

I mainly judge the GOATs by their primes and their wins. If they fight long enough, they all will lose. You can't hold that against the warriors with 50 fights who fought into their mid 40s (Fedor and Anderson) and then turn around and reward guys like GSP and Khabib who quit young.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

You said I’m stupid and full of shit for saying pride was a shady ass organization and their top HWs got lit up the UFC. Both are facts. I think we overrated a handful of pride fighters cuz of how exciting their fights were, mainly the HW division, wand and Gomi. It’s not like I said anything outrageous like shogun, rampage and hendo were bums after pride.

But likewise, enjoy the fights tonight. War cantoga and shavkat.

Past prime Nog and Werdum became UFC Champions. Overeem and Hunt won a lot of fights in the UFC and both fought for the title. Barnett came over like 5 years after PRIDE went under and still had a decent UFC run.

The only PRIDE heavyweight that disappointed was Cro Cop, but he literally had over 100 fights by the time he got to the UFC and had surgery right before he came to the UFC, and then several more injuries and surgeries during his UFC run. Even then, he still won some fights in the UFC. (I don't even count the Kongo loss, there were so many low blows in that fight)

 

[sanguinius]

So you would rank him higher if he had just abruptly retired when he was 31-1?

Guys like GSP and Khabib quit at the top of the sport at age 32. Fedor and Anderson Silva could have done the same. Instead they were warriors and kept fighting into their late 30s and 40s.

I mainly judge the GOATs by their primes and their wins. If they fight long enough, they all will lose. You can't hold that against the warriors with 50 fights who fought into their mid 40s (Fedor and Anderson) and then turn around and reward guys like GSP and Khabib who quit young.

Yeah, it is insane that GSP gets extra credit for Hendricks beating him into running away from the division and then returning for a money fight against a one-eyed bisping. He left early, which is good for him, but Fedor and Silva losing late in their careers doesn't erase their wins.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Past prime Nog and Werdum became UFC Champions. Overeem and Hunt won a lot of fights in the UFC and both fought for the title. Barnett came over like 5 years after PRIDE went under and still had a decent UFC run.

The only PRIDE heavyweight that disappointed was Cro Cop, but he literally had over 100 fights by the time he got to the UFC and had surgery right before he came to the UFC, and then several more injuries and surgeries during his UFC run. Even then, he still won some fights in the UFC. (I don't even count the Kongo loss, there were so many low blows in that fight)

Werdum was not past his prime in the UFC....if anything he was pre-prime in Pride. Same with Mark Hunt.

Neither Werdum or Hunt even had 10 fights by the time Pride folded.

 

[NenadRS]

Aside from overall stats (which of course matter, and both are great), I would consider peak performances and what the fighter was able to do at his best, how they were winning.
GSP seems less talented and more of a safe fighter, which is not bad, it is smart, he had to adjust to keep winning.

Wins show that, Finishes vs Decisions, Fedor has 31 finish 9 decisions, and GSP 14/12, and Jones 18/10.

 

[surgeyou1]

Werdum was not past his prime in the UFC....if anything he was pre-prime in Pride. Same with Mark Hunt.

Neither Werdum or Hunt even had 10 fights by the time Pride folded.

This. Werdum only started to become an elite fighter in Strikeforce. He was pretty much a pure BJJ guy before.

 

[chinarice]

Don't worry Fedor fans, if you bitch and moan enough and maybe make enough brand new accounts to get the votes up, your boy can still take this down.

Such a hilarious thread.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

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Gunna have to go GSP..

GSP fought against all styles and won, top contenders his entire title reign, and most importantly avenged all losses in devastating fashion ..something Fedor never did.

Then the cherry on top he won belts in two divisions..

Fedor is #2 imo...yes undefeated for 10 years at HW is insane but he have some obvious squash matches in there and he avenged none of his loses.. but his style is effective in any Era of MMA

 

[WillyWarminski]

GSP is my favourite G.O.A.T. This vote has surprised me.
He isn't my favourite fighter but I believe he's the greatest.
I'm absolutely chuckling at the citizens of butthurtsville over the pages.

 

[Greyscale]

Candor is irrelevant to the GOAT discussion even at HW.

 

[Lee Danger]

This. Werdum only started to become an elite fighter in Strikeforce. He was pretty much a pure BJJ guy before.

it's like saying that Rampage became elite when he developed his boxing near the end of his time at the top, forgetting that while it's true it's also true that by that time he'd lost a lot of moblity and basically stop to wrestle.
Werdum was technically better when he came in UFC but he was also phisycally out of his best years.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Goat at Pierre. Love fedor too, but GSP was in the crucible all the time. Not many fighters can perform well under that pressure.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Fedor, always.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

it's like saying that Rampage became elite when he developed his boxing near the end of his time at the top, forgetting that while it's true it's also true that by that time he'd lost a lot of moblity and basically stop to wrestle.
Werdum was technically better when he came in UFC but he was also phisycally out of his best years.

No, it's not really like saying that. Werdum was not in his prime and was fighting killers in Pride, which had people mislabel him as some C-rate fighter.

It is more similar to thinking Rampage's first fight in Pride against Sakuraba was prime Rampage.

Werdum was a better fighter post Pride. It's not even close. Whether he was more athletic or not is rather irrelevant.

 

[NenadRS]

He can thank steroids for that late prime during his UFC run, he transformed physically - failed usada test (trenbolone), got 2 year suspension..

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Yeah, I agree. What I disagree with is how this same excuse isn't afforded to other fighters, who are older than Fedor. The same people will tell you Anderson was in his prime when he fought Weidman at 38 or that Jones is in his prime right now at 37. But Fedor can be done at 30 in Affliction.

Anderson was not in his prime at 38 and Jones is not in his prime right now.