Media Fedor Emelianenko or Georges St-Pierre - Who is the greatest MMA fighter of all-time? (Finals O/T)

[Hdfi]

No sane person with an IQ over 70 thinks that and, this isn't a thing in any other sport in the world. It's complete lunacy.

Nobody thinks Federer is shit because he didn't win a grand slam for the last 3 years of his career.

Nobody thinks Messi and Ronaldo are shit cuz they're playing in shit leagues right now.

Nobody thinks Muhammed Ali and Tyson aren't all time greats because of a few losses at the end of their career.

But for Fedor and Silva in MMA? I dunno, MMA must attract people are are a special kind of stupid. It quite literally makes absolutely zero sense to discredit either of them because of this.

I never said Silva isn't an all-time great. He is the GOAT MW fighter. But it is what it is. He added about 7 avoidable and unnecessary losses because he was badly mismanaged at the end of his career.

GSP managed his career better and is consequently winning this poll ten years later.

 

[forsh]

No sane person with an IQ over 70 thinks that and, this isn't a thing in any other sport in the world. It's complete lunacy.

Nobody thinks Federer is shit because he didn't win a grand slam for the last 3 years of his career.

Nobody thinks Messi and Ronaldo are shit cuz they're playing in shit leagues right now.

Nobody thinks Muhammed Ali and Tyson aren't all time greats because of a few losses at the end of their career.

But for Fedor and Silva in MMA? I dunno, MMA must attract people are are a special kind of stupid. It quite literally makes absolutely zero sense to discredit either of them because of this.

So true.

 

[Superzorro]

Primes aren't just age; they're mileage, skill acquisition, and iq. Even then, everyone has their own rate.

Yeah, I agree. What I disagree with is how this same excuse isn't afforded to other fighters, who are older than Fedor. The same people will tell you Anderson was in his prime when he fought Weidman at 38 or that Jones is in his prime right now at 37. But Fedor can be done at 30 in Affliction.

 

[forsh]

Yeah, I agree. What I disagree with is how this same excuse isn't afforded to other fighters, who are older than Fedor. The same people will tell you Anderson was in his prime when he fought Weidman at 38 or that Jones is in his prime right now at 37. But Fedor can be done at 30 in Affliction.

How many fighters compete at the highest level of two combat sports at the same time for over a decade? That's what Fedor did.

 

[Superzorro]

How many fighters compete at the highest level of two combat sports at the same time for over a decade? That's what Fedor did.

But this is still an unknown variable. Unless you're there watching him train and can say without a doubt that he was training harder and longer, and with more intensity than the aforementioned fighters, this isn't something that can be accurately measured. Again I have no problem with Fedor being done by 30. But Anderson can at least be done by 38 and Jones by 37. Fedor wasn't training THAT much harder than everyone.

 

[Barteh]

But this is still an unknown variable. Unless you're there watching him train and can say without a doubt that he was training harder and longer, and with more intensity than the aforementioned fighters, this isn't something that can be accurately measured. Again I have no problem with Fedor being done by 30. But Anderson can at least be done by 38 and Jones by 37. Fedor wasn't training THAT much harder than everyone.

You can also do this simple thing of using your eyes and you'd be able to figure out that Fedor wasn't quite as good when he was 30-32 years old compared to his prime, same goes for Silva towards the end of his UFC run.

Hell I'd even say the same for the GSP who fought Condit and Bisping, he definitely was better at his peak.

 

[forsh]

But this is still an unknown variable. Unless you're there watching him train and can say without a doubt that he was training harder and longer, and with more intensity than the aforementioned fighters, this isn't something that can be accurately measured. Again I have no problem with Fedor being done by 30. But Anderson can at least be done by 38 and Jones by 37. Fedor wasn't training THAT much harder than everyone.

You're correct, I'm just saying this could explain the difference in mileage on the body. 11 gold medals in Combat Sambo (4 world, 7 national) from 1999-2012, his strength of schedule in Pride fighting sometimes four times per year. Guy was busy. He's in the Combat Sambo Hall of Fame and competing was important to him and this was one of the contract stipulations Dana White wouldn't agree to when signing Fedor into the UFC.

 

[Corona]

You are an embarrassment. Please stop this bullshit. I think GSP is GOAT but holy fuck you are beyond stupid for this comment, especially with an account so old on here. You know how full of shit you are and yet you still post this garbage

Lmao you fedro fanboys are soft as hell and have no rebuttal to goated arguments.

 

[BFoe]

Fraudo had some good highlights in a corrupt organization full of junkies and freakshows who all got destroyed the moment they went to the ufc lmao.

Hunt didn’t get destroyed in the UFC, Nog won the Interim HW title in the UFC, Coleman was already champ in the UFC, Randleman was already champ in the UFC, Arlovski and Sylvia were already champs in the UFC…

I assume your post is just a troll post, otherwise it’s a pretty embarrassing one from a 2007 account.

 

[deanambrose]

I think GOAT is someone else who people are sleeping on because they are idiots but from these 2 it is very reasonable to say that
GSP should win because he avenged his only loses (only 2 of them) and doesn't have too many asterisks.
And while I believe prime Fedor would basically beat everyone or almost everyone, he tarnished his legacy past prime and being GOAT means that your whole career is revisioned not prime part of it.

 

[Corona]

Hunt didn’t get destroyed in the UFC, Nog won the Interim HW title in the UFC, Coleman was already champ in the UFC, Randleman was already champ in the UFC, Arlovski and Sylvia were already champs in the UFC…

I assume your post is just a troll post, otherwise it’s a pretty embarrassing one from a 2007 account.

UFC had significantly better talent in 2010 than it did in the early 2000s when colecan and Randlecan were in the organization at like UFC 3. It’s pretty safe to say they weren’t natty at all.

Colecan was roided out the game, lost 3 fights in a row in the ufc which is why he ended up with pride in the first place. Openly admitted to throwing a fight in pride. He shouldn’t be mentioned as relevant in any capacity.

Hunt was alright in his ufc run, a top 15ish guy with some entertaining fights but still lost half of them including getting brutally KOd in 3 or 4 of them lol.

Randleman was never much more than a wrestler, he got knocked out in his last two fights before going to pride where he got knocked out a bunch more. His career highlights are a slam against Fedor and a likely fluke KO against cro cop.

Big Nog came to the ufc and looked 10 years older and physically overmatched. Maybe he was completely washed by then idk, his biggest ufc moment was choking out a huge can in Tim Sylvia. His fights against Cain, Mir, Werdum and Nelson were embarrassments.

Cro cop was one who I thought would genuinely come fuck shit up in the ufc and it was disappointing to see him flounder. In the same year he KOd wand and Barnett he got his ass whooped by Gonzaga(a nobody at the time) and Kongo(lmao). Then he left and won some fights and came back to get his ass beat again, although he was older and likely washed during his second ufc run. Either not fighting in a ring had too much of an impact on him or maybe he was juiced in pride, but his fall off in the ufc was pretty insane and he definitely wasn’t washed yet in his first run.

I’m exaggerating/joking with Fedor and he KOd Sylvia and Arlovski in embarrassing fashion but I think his run in pride is overrated, people romanticize what did, he was exciting and beat up some other exciting fighters but ultimately I don’t think the division itself wasn’t very good. Even today I think the HW weight class is weak as hell and wouldn’t put any HW from the last ten years or so in the goat convo(unless you count jones).

Other pride fighters have fared much better in the ufc than their HWs ever did.

 

[Señor Dudu Bird]

Neither?

 

[checktheknuckles]

You forgot to mention that the Serra fight taught GSP some very valuable lessons, crushed Serra in the rematch, and never lost again.

Fedor lost to Matt after having several successes and failures. Matt Mitrione was not a lifelong martial artist, while Serra, albeit a smaller guy, is and runs a gym with his brother.

You seem to be slow there kid. No wonder why you so bad at math. Fedor was 40+. If GSP had the balls to not run away from mma at 32 and stuck around to 40+, he would be getting wrecked too. Hell Bisping was piecing him up.

 

[chinarice]

GSP is winning again. He won Sherdog's old GOAT poll too:
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/all-time-goat-poll.3916359/

Did the poll get deleted? I don't see it in that thread anymore

 

[TDBar]

Neither but GSP definitely over Fedor

 

[chinarice]

You seem to be slow there kid. No wonder why you so bad at math. Fedor was 40+. If GSP had the balls to not run away from mma at 32 and stuck around to 40+, he would be getting wrecked too. Hell Bisping was piecing him up.

That Bisping that beat Dan Henderson who shadowrealmed Fedor. lol You guys are funny. So triggered you can't even think for 3 seconds before you guys embarrass yourselves.

This was also a GSP that hadn't fought in 4 years, mind you and was like 37 years old when he became MW champ. Fedor was literally fighting old ass hasbeens and never was'. Wow so amazing by comparison! Jeff Monson, 450 year old Pedro Rizzo, Satoshi Ishii.....

 

[TerrorTimmy]

Lmao you fedro fanboys are soft as hell and have no rebuttal to goated arguments.

I literally said I think GSP is GOAT but I guess reading isn't your strong suit

Have a pleasant day

 

[checktheknuckles]

That Bisping that beat Dan Henderson who shadowrealmed Fedor. lol You guys are funny. So triggered you can't even think for 3 seconds before you guys embarrass yourselves.

This was also a GSP that hadn't fought in 4 years, mind you and was like 37 years old when he became MW champ. Fedor was literally fighting old ass hasbeens and never was'. Wow so amazing by comparison! Jeff Monson, 450 year old Pedro Rizzo, Satoshi Ishii.....

You really stupid ain'tcha boy? How old was GSP when he fought Bispong? Hendo was 46 against Bispong.

 

[Corona]

I literally said I think GSP is GOAT but I guess reading isn't your strong suit

Have a pleasant day

You said I’m stupid and full of shit for saying pride was a shady ass organization and their top HWs got lit up the UFC. Both are facts. I think we overrated a handful of pride fighters cuz of how exciting their fights were, mainly the HW division, wand and Gomi. It’s not like I said anything outrageous like shogun, rampage and hendo were bums after pride.

But likewise, enjoy the fights tonight. War cantoga and shavkat.

 

[Croaker]

Lmao you fedro fanboys are soft as hell and have no rebuttal to goated arguments.

Fedor would beat the shit out of GSP. Easily shows he's the GOAT. GSP wouldn't even be able to tap like he did to that midget Matt Serra.