Law FBI raids John Bolton's house looking for "classified documents"

[cottagecheesefan]

The new ABA Legal Fact Check notes, the extent of a president’s legal authority to unilaterally declassify materials — without following formal procedures — has yet to be challenged in court.

So according to the American Bar Association, no one has ever questioned the president's ability to singlehandedly declassify documents.

Which is why he wasn’t charged t charged with retaining classified documents lol.

Doesn’t get much more simple. Jack Smith knew he would lose that battle

It was actually Obama who made it easier for presidents to have such power so he could take work with him and such. IIRC

 

[44nutman]

I bet her panties’ waists are so high she tucks her tiddies into them.

Spoiler

And I likes that

Wood



Bolton! Michael Bolton.


The only time I liked John Bolton. His smile is like a baby seeing a dog for the first time.

 

[kflo]

The new ABA Legal Fact Check notes, the extent of a president’s legal authority to unilaterally declassify materials — without following formal procedures — has yet to be challenged in court.

So according to the American Bar Association, no one has ever questioned the president's ability to singlehandedly declassify documents.

https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/

Do you think the president just gets to keep shit he declassifies? Of course, he didn’t declassify anyway. But just answer the question.

 

[44nutman]

So they weren't declassified?

If you think they are declassified, magically they are declassified.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

Do you think the president just gets to keep shit he declassifies?

yes....

 

[44nutman]

They may be available when he unveils his presidential library. Let’s hope so. May be a while tho, if he runs in 2028

Do you think he puts a couple hot 16 year old girls in his library?

 

[Limbo Pete]

yes....

No, and we had to address this because of Richard Nixon.

 

[Soggust]

The crime is knowingly retaining classified documents. Pence, Trump, and Biden all were allowed to access and retain those documents when in office but once they leave office they have to return the documents. When Pence and Biden found out they had such documents they promptly returned them and cooperated with authorities while Trump went out of his way to try to retain the documents despite subpoenas.

That is why Biden and Pence weren't charged while Trump was.

Again, no tricks up my sleeve here, just confirming - Is a Senator (Biden) allowed to take documents home while in office? Presumably if so, the National Security Advisor would be allowed to as well, surely.

I'm going to be honest and admit I don't know enough about the classification rules to really split the hairs here, so I'm just spitballing/asking shit out loud here.

Like you're telling me everyone entitled to access is also LEGALLY allowed to take all of these sensitive documents wherever they want, breaking security protocols or w/e, but they just had to simply return them when once they left office and the only infraction was Trump being the unique case for not complying? Or were they giving president/vp a special leniency not afforded to everyone until they couldn't bc Trump is a miserable cunt?

If the answer is the former I understand and like your position.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

No, and we had to address this because of Richard Nixon.

if it's not classified, I can get a copy of it....no problem

 

[kflo]

yes....

Hahahaha.

So you think Trump can declassify the Epstein files and keep them for himself. Lol.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

Hahahaha.

So you think Trump can declassify the Epstein files and keep them for himself. Lol.

well they don't usually release evidence in an ongoing case, but sure, after the case is complete and the information is not classified. Anyone could get a copy.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Again, no tricks up my sleeve here, just confirming - Is a Senator (Biden) allowed to take documents home while in office? Presumably if so, the National Security Advisor would be allowed to as well, surely.

I'm going to be honest and admit I don't know enough about the classification rules to really split the hairs here, so I'm just spitballing/asking shit out loud here.

Like you're telling me everyone entitled to access is also LEGALLY allowed to take all of these sensitive documents wherever they want, breaking security protocols or w/e, but they just had to simply return them when once they left office and the only infraction was Trump being the unique case for not complying? Or were they giving president/vp a special leniency not afforded to everyone until they couldn't bc Trump is a miserable cunt?

If the answer is the former I understand and like your position.

The point of conflict comes when national archives asks for things to be returned
Any high level government employees could potentially retain documents. Archives determines if they have any they should return. When that happens, the person in question has to go find the stuff and give it back. This was an issue with Clinton (iirc) and documents he was using for his memoirs. He was able to successfully keep documents, even though he generated them while President, because they had been made _for the purpose_ of his memoirs.In Trump's case, he denied having documents altogether. Then he refused to give them back. Then he concealed documents to prevent them being taken back.

 

[Limbo Pete]

if it's not classified, I can get a copy of it....no problem

That's not how ownership of national archives documents work. Being able to request a copy is very different than claiming ownership and then simply taking what you want. And it's especially untrue with sensitive national security information, which you and I cannot and should not be able to get copies of.

 

[kflo]

well they don't usually release evidence in an ongoing case, but sure, after the case is complete and the information is not classified. Anyone could get a copy.

So he has to give them to the archives. And request a copy.

And what about the Epstein case is ongoing??

 

[Soggust]

The point of conflict comes when national archives asks for things to be returned
Any high level government employees could potentially retain documents. Archives determines if they have any they should return. When that happens, the person in question has to go find the stuff and give it back. This was an issue with Clinton (iirc) and documents he was using for his memoirs. He was able to successfully keep documents, even though he generated them while President, because they had been made _for the purpose_ of his memoirs.In Trump's case, he denied having documents altogether. Then he refused to give them back. Then he concealed documents to prevent them being taken back.

Yeah, I was under the impression that there were certain documents that weren't supposed to leave highly secured rooms or whatever and that simple possession would constitute a crime, but it appears via majority that I'm either wrong or maybe the documents in biden/pence's cases weren't of that level. Fair enough.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

No, and we had to address this because of Richard Nixon.

with the current state up of the Republican party Nixon never would have resigned , it would have been a hiccup.

 

[ricc505]

All of these threads are so tedious. If Bolton, Clinton, Biden, Trump, Obama, Pence, etc did it then maybe, just maybe the system is broken. We classify too much for no apparent reason, and then we condemn or glorify leaks depending on political party.

Hey, everyone pick a side and stand firm in arguing it. Please disregard any posts with actual evidence as though they aren’t there.

 

[ricc505]

Is this that “lawfare” thing the right cries about all the time?

Now it's the left crying, I guess it's the first time you've been exposed to the politics being hypocritical. Welcome to the party pal!

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Glad we've already gotten the "Bad thing not bad because Democrats" arguments out of the way on page 1

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

lol... This might be true... but it's not

You don't get to just forget what the Deep State through Hillary/Obama did to Trump in 2016.

And by deep state... John Brennan and his lackeys

You can keep trying to bury it, but it's not going away.

You can't blame Trump for going full revenge this term. He tried to play ball early in his first term and all the DNC and FBI did was fight and impeach him. Over the garbage Russia hoax

They should fear





Bolton is the perfect stooge to flip on the others....

You live in a fantasy world