Law FBI raids John Bolton's house looking for "classified documents"

[LMP]

Then why didn’t they charge him with retaining classified documents?

31 charges for those documents that you keep trying to claim were unclassified. 5 counts for obstruction for refusing to hand those documents over. You look dumb as hell trying to say he wasn't charge with having classified documents.

 

[LMP]

None of which are retaining classified documents. Derp

Tell me where we can get these declassified documents please

 

[Soggust]

No those aren't the only two consistent positions. Not every case is the same and thus not necessarily as serious. Intent matters here. Biden, Pence, and Trump all had classified documents after leaving office but only Trump demonstrated intent to retain those documents instead of readily giving them up like Biden and Pence did.

I'm not trying to be snarky, because I feel like this is a legitimately good response, but I'm asking genuinely before agreeing with you ->

Is the crime holding or removing classified files from a secure location? Or is the crime not returning them?

Again I'm genuinely asking because it kinda feels like we are at the "sure i shoplifted, but I returned it" stage here, where all 3 are simply guilty in my mind.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Tell me where we can get these declassified documents please

They may be available when he unveils his presidential library. Let’s hope so. May be a while tho, if he runs in 2028

 

[LMP]

They may be available when he unveils his presidential library. Let’s hope so. May be a while tho, if he runs in 2028

So they weren't declassified?

 

[idrankyourbeer]

If there’s sufficient evidence for it. I haven’t had a chance to review that yet.

But there was an abundance of evidence that it was necessary in Trump’s case, and his supporters didn’t GAF. Now those same people want to turn around and lecture us on how serious things like this are. Why should I want to listen to them? They’re the ones who set the standard that this is no longer a big deal, are they not?

hoarding classified documents in your house is no big deal and we are not supposed to care. we learned that from the "lock her up" crew after the FBI seized boxes of classified documents from their molester messiah's bathroom after he got pink socked in an election and evicted from the whitehouse and refused every request to return them.

despite all the pearl clutching they did over hillaries emails and dementia joe storing some classified documents in his garage and then promptly returning them when asked, these chucklefucks really don't care about the mishandling of classified information or any of that stuff. unless of course it's a democrat who's doing it. then they'll put on their clown shoes and pretend to be all about law and order again.

so if john bolton is hoarding classified documents right next to his toilet, who really gives a shit? we're not supposed to care anymore. that's what the rubes taught us. and besides, others have done worse. hey did you hear that hunter biden smoked some crack?

and who knows? maybe john bolton used some jedi mind tricks to declassify those documents inside of his head. or maybe molestini cheetolini's weaponized FBI and DOJ and maybe even the proud boys planted it all there. no biggie! nobody should give two shits about any of that nonsense anyways because they put a tranny on a can of bud light, and obama worn a tan suit.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

So they weren't declassified?

Obviously they were if they are going to be available at the presidential library. Which is why he wasn’t charged with retaining classified documents. Derp

That is why he got the documents BACK.

Trump takes seized boxes back to Florida on Air Force One | CNN Politics

President Donald Trump on Friday transported back to Florida with him boxes of documents that the FBI had seized from Mar-a-Lago after executing a court-ordered search warrant in August 2022.

amp.cnn.com

“The Department of Justice has just returned the boxes,” Trump said in a statement. “They are being brought down to Florida and will someday be part of the Trump Presidential Library,” he said, going on to claim that “justice finally won out”

 

[LMP]

Obviously they were if they are going to be available at the presidential library. Which is why he wasn’t charged with retaining classified documents. Derp

If they were declassified we would have access to them. See that's the issue you, either you are truly this dumb or you play it up to muddy every thread with wrong information on purpose. One of those we laugh at, the other just makes you an asshole.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

If they were declassified we would have access to them. See that's the issue you, either you are truly this dumb or you play it up to muddy every thread with wrong information on purpose. One of those we laugh at, the other just makes you an asshole.

They are literally already back at mar-a-lago, sitting in a bathroom.

 

[Soggust]

Remember trump obstructed attempts to retrieve the classified records he was hoarding. Important distinction.

Good take imo, but if we are splitting hairs, does the idea that the president can declassify at any time (or has immunity) matter for Trump/Biden comparatively to Bolton's situation?

 

[sickc0d3r]

The professional queefers now defending…… John fucking Bolton. Did not have that in my bingo card. You twattopusses are something else.

If you'd just remove your nose from the Epsteinphile-in-chief's anus for two seconds and look around, you'd see nobody gives a fuck about Bolton.

 

[Crazy Source]

If you'd just remove your nose from the Epsteinphile-in-chief's anus for two seconds and look around, you'd see nobody gives a fuck about Bolton.

This ties in rather neatly with the fact that the House is expected to get its first installment of Epstein files. Surely the timing is coincidence, right?

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Good take imo, but if we are splitting hairs, does the idea that the president can declassify at any time (or has immunity) matter for Trump/Biden comparatively to Bolton's situation?

Biden’s documents are from when he was a senator. So he couldn’t have declassified them and taken them, and wouldn’t have immunity because he wasn’t president at the time.

 

[LMP]

They are literally already back at mar-a-lago, sitting in a bathroom.

Cool let me know when the public can get them through a request of information after they are declassified.

 

[Soggust]

Biden’s documents are from when he was a senator. So he couldn’t have declassified them and taken them, and wouldn’t have immunity because he wasn’t president at the time.

Touche sir

 

[sickc0d3r]

This ties in rather neatly with the fact that the House is expected to get its first installment of Epstein files. Surely the timing is coincidence, right?

Yeah, it is oddly coincidental.

 

[kflo]

Good take imo, but if we are splitting hairs, does the idea that the president can declassify at any time (or has immunity) matter for Trump/Biden comparatively to Bolton's situation?

No.

The records belong to the public, whether they were declassified or not. And of course, we know they weren’t declassified while he was president.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I'm not trying to be snarky, because I feel like this is a legitimately good response, but I'm asking genuinely before agreeing with you ->

Is the crime holding or removing classified files from a secure location? Or is the crime not returning them?

Again I'm genuinely asking because it kinda feels like we are at the "sure i shoplifted, but I returned it" stage here, where all 3 are simply guilty in my mind.

The crime is knowingly retaining classified documents. Pence, Trump, and Biden all were allowed to access and retain those documents when in office but once they leave office they have to return the documents. When Pence and Biden found out they had such documents they promptly returned them and cooperated with authorities while Trump went out of his way to try to retain the documents despite subpoenas.

That is why Biden and Pence weren't charged while Trump was.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Trump did give them back some of the documents (they charged him for those documents too) and told them if they need anything else, to ask. Instead, they raided him

• 31 counts of retaining and failing to deliver national defense documents under the Espionage Act.

Each of these charges is for possession of a separate, specific document. Ten of these documents were handed over to the government in June 2022, and the other 21 were recovered in the August 2022 search.

He lied to his own attorney to prevent compliance with a subpoena lol

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

No.

The records belong to the public, whether they were declassified or not. And of course, we know they weren’t declassified while he was president.

The new ABA Legal Fact Check notes, the extent of a president’s legal authority to unilaterally declassify materials — without following formal procedures — has yet to be challenged in court.

So according to the American Bar Association, no one has ever questioned the president's ability to singlehandedly declassify documents.

https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/