Exposing the Grift: Go Woke Go Broke

[GtehMVP]

To be fair Picard is the captain of the Federation flagship, Sisko has been farmed out to what Starfleet thinks is a backwater post nobody wants, he's an emotionally damaged character after the death of his wife so I think Brooks playing him as more unstable with less gravitas worked pretty well.

Compared to the guy in your sig I think you could argue of course Sisko didnt have as well defined a character arc but thats true for a lot of DS9 relative to Babylon 5.

I agree. I was more talking about his acting I had issues with at first, not his character. I liked his beef with Picard right off the bat, when really his beef was with himself, being stuck in the trauma of his wife's death. His trying to describe linear time to the wormhole aliens when they point out he's actually stuck in a single period of time... that was brilliant. As he finds new purpose, and the wormhole discovery suddenly makes DS9 the most important location for the Federation, It's the best first episode of any Trek IMO. His emissary stuff was cool at first, but the whole Bajor thing wore on a bit long. The Defiant/bald head and Dominion War changed everything though, catapulted the show into another level.

I grew to love Sisko, he's right up there with Picard, Kirk and Sheridan for me. I also appreciated his early seasons far more in subsequent viewings. His dealings with Dukat were always gold, but my fav moment from him was with Garak (goat) and the Romulan deception thing (in the Pale Moonlight ep).

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[Deleted member 110072]

Picard and crew fighting ICE is more than reference to politics.

ICE though are just bad guys to be defeated, there references to current anti immigration politics but not much more than stating such politics is bad.

TNG era Trek would have gone into much more detail on the subject, the Cardassians for example are I think an obvious reference to right wing fascist politics yet there presented as a far more nuanced group which helps to highlight the appeal of such politics and indeed the effect on their victims in the Bajorans.

Its the difference between merely showing an ideology as evil and picking that ideology apart.

 

[Ruprecht]

I m pretty sure progressive was not used the same way as it is today.

I would not say those pretty much overdosed on their inside bubble politics, i doubt The Forever War met negative reactions like those.

Sure, the specifics of progressive politics have shifted over the last half a century.
The Vietnam war was pretty politically divisive still in 1974, though not usually along partisan lines, and while it was with the majority opinion (60% polled as thinking the Vietnam war was a mistake in 1973), The Forever War flew it's flag high.
As did Haldeman, ”I was drafted against my will, and went off to fight somebody else's war”.

The Forever War didn't meet negative reactions because it's well written, not because it was subtle about it's political message or avoided taking a stance on controversial contemporary issues.

Compare that to how common the dialogues about Concord failing due to being "woke" are, despite it's political message being essentially non-existent and it's "wokeness" being limited to politics of some of it's developers and the fat, ugly characters of diverse ethnic backgrounds.
Never mind that it's a highly derivative hero shooter themed on a guardians of the galaxy style band of misfits, several years after both those things have their own fandoms largely rolling their eyes. Not to mention that hero shooters are a poor narrative vehicle, so those expensive weekly cutscenes are unrelated to the gameplay, hardly creating a world to inhabit. ...and asking $40USD to boot, when the well established and comparatively popular originals it was trying to imitate are free to play.

Likewise the Acolyte, where it's all about the "wokeness" of the diverse cast and lesbian space witches, not the fact that it's just poorly written, doesn't have any charismatic characters to carry it's poor writing and we're long past the point where anyone's wowed by CGI, regardless of the amount spent.

Mediocrity is about the best you could hope for from this sort of vacuous consumer garbage, so no surprise a lot of it falls well short.

 

[Zazen]

LOL, WTF are you talking about? There was no trending anti-#woke pushback against BG3 before it released, and most of the bestiality talk occurred after the game released. You guys can't help but invent outcries that don't exist, or are limited to a tiny fringe. The game has a 96% positive rating on Steam. There was no "review bombing" campaign to scapegoat.

I especially love that now you're trying to throw SJWs under the bus. Thank you, concession accepted. Only took more than a decade.

There 100 percent was you just have a selective memory. The bear clip that went viral had those retards lose their minds. You know it , I know it and you’re proving my point. And what do you mean about SJWs? My point is the antiwoke has become the thing they hated.

 

[Zazen]

WTF are you even talking about. They hype for BG3 was HUGE for a long time before it came out. Especially once early access was so successful.

The hype was huge among people already fans. The best sex scene is what made it go viral in marketing. The reactionaries called it a bestiality fetish game. It was all over Twitter at the time and videos were made on YouTube the same dorks. Again this is proving my point about how quickly people forget and move on when something has big sales .

 

[SuperAlly]

There 100 percent was you just have a selective memory. The bear clip that went viral had those retards lose their minds. You know it , I know it and you’re proving my point.

Which people?

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

The hype was huge among people already fans. The best sex scene is what made it go viral in marketing. The reactionaries called it a bestiality fetish game. It was all over Twitter at the time and videos were made on YouTube the same dorks. Again this is proving my point about how quickly people forget and move on when something has big sales .

Which high subscriber count quote unquote chud youtubers lost their mind?

 

[Zazen]

Which people?

I don’t watch these people so I don’t know their names but they popped up in my timeline when it was happening. You can still see all those videos made if you search on YouTube for it. I just tried baldur gate 3 bestiality and it’s all people whining about wokeness and degeneracy.

 

[Zazen]

I don’t watch these people so I don’t know their names but they popped up in my timeline when it was happening. You can still see all those videos made if you search on YouTube for it. I just tried baldur gate 3 bestiality and it’s all people whining about wokeness and degeneracy.

Melonie Mac is really big on X and fairly popular on YouTube. It's weird that there's people here that just straight up refuse to believe this happened which proves my point about people completely forgetting and dropping the grift once a game is clearly successful.



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@SomeCanine​

1 year ago
I told you repeatedly that BG3 was woke. Stop funding woke games. Lead by example.

Then you have morons like Endymion and Grummz that constantly pit the West and East against each other. Somehow they always fail to mention that a lot of the censorship actually comes from the East. Here this guy is whining about BG3 devs being woke.

 

[SuperAlly]

I don’t watch these people so I don’t know their names but they popped up in my timeline when it was happening. You can still see all those videos made if you search on YouTube for it. I just tried baldur gate 3 bestiality and it’s all people whining about wokeness and degeneracy.

So different people then

Not "William" who is the focus of this thread and deviante's own personal bogey man

 

[HenryFlower]

There 100 percent was you just have a selective memory. The bear clip that went viral had those retards lose their minds. You know it , I know it and you’re proving my point. And what do you mean about SJWs? My point is the antiwoke has become the thing they hated.

poor guy lost the plot a loooong time ago

 

[HenryFlower]

So different people then

Not "William" who is the focus of this thread and deviante's own personal bogey man

the criticaldrinker isn’t the sole focus of this thread & you know it. stop being a disingenuous twat

 

[USA!USA!]

Being ultra-woke is definitely a grift

It's the same as being an alt-right infowars dumbfuck

America is far too fucking polarized right now - I still think there are a TON of people in the middle, but they are drowned out by all the morons shouting at each other.. even more so now than ever before with Trump totally changing how politicians act and appear. I don't ever see this getting reversed.. we'll only find out after Trump is out of the picture.

 

[Satur9]

Being ultra-woke is definitely a grift

It's the same as being an alt-right infowars dumbfuck

America is far too fucking polarized right now - I still think there are a TON of people in the middle, but they are drowned out by all the morons shouting at each other.. even more so now than ever before with Trump totally changing how politicians act and appear. I don't ever see this getting reversed.. we'll only find out after Trump is out of the picture.

I don't see it ever reversing, even with Trump gone. Many people enjoy the division, and they feel special when on a team, and it is so easy now with social media.

 

[USA!USA!]

I don't see it ever reversing, even with Trump gone. Many people enjoy the division, and they feel special when on a team, and it is so easy now with social media.

Man I hope it does.. you may be right though.

Just out of curiosity, I've been watching the presidential and vice-presidential debates from the 2012 election - pre-Trump era. It is incredible how these candidates could get their points out WITHOUT mocking, insulting and making the viewers afraid of their opponent. It was all about policy. It was congenial and it was professional.

Now, it is about cutting WWE promos on each other and forcing voters to the extremes.

I yearn for us to go back to those pre-Trump days, but we may be too far gone.

 

[Satur9]

Man I hope it does.. you may be right though.

Just out of curiosity, I've been watching the presidential and vice-presidential debates from the 2012 election - pre-Trump era. It is incredible how these candidates could get their points out WITHOUT mocking, insulting and making the viewers afraid of their opponent. It was all about policy. It was congenial and it was professional.

Now, it is about cutting WWE promos on each other and forcing voters to the extremes.

I yearn for us to go back to those pre-Trump days, but we may be too far gone.

Yes, you are pretty much right. It was a better time for debates pre-Trump. By far. I just don't see it totally reversing from a public stand-point. Whether Trump started it, or we were slowly moving there and he just sped everything up, I really think people love the insanity now, and the genie won't be going back in anytime soon. Hope I am wrong though.

 

[Madmick]

Baldurs Gate 3 is a fantastic example too. Before it released they were calling it a bestiality fetish game. When it was clear it was a huge hit they all simultaneously backed off like cowards. These guys are worse than the SJWs from years ago

LOL, WTF are you talking about? There was no trending anti-#woke pushback against BG3 before it released, and most of the bestiality talk occurred after the game released. You guys can't help but invent outcries that don't exist, or are limited to a tiny fringe. The game has a 96% positive rating on Steam. There was no "review bombing" campaign to scapegoat.

I especially love that now you're trying to throw SJWs under the bus. Thank you, concession accepted. Only took more than a decade.

There 100 percent was you just have a selective memory. The bear clip that went viral had those retards lose their minds. You know it , I know it and you’re proving my point. And what do you mean about SJWs? My point is the antiwoke has become the thing they hated.

I don’t watch these people so I don’t know their names but they popped up in my timeline when it was happening. You can still see all those videos made if you search on YouTube for it. I just tried baldur gate 3 bestiality and it’s all people whining about wokeness and degeneracy.

Melonie Mac is really big on X and fairly popular on YouTube. It's weird that there's people here that just straight up refuse to believe this happened which proves my point about people completely forgetting and dropping the grift once a game is clearly successful.



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@SomeCanine​

1 year ago
I told you repeatedly that BG3 was woke. Stop funding woke games. Lead by example.

Then you have morons like Endymion and Grummz that constantly pit the West and East against each other. Somehow they always fail to mention that a lot of the censorship actually comes from the East. Here this guy is whining about BG3 devs being woke.

LMFAO.

The top video has a measly 44K views...after a full year to accrue them. You do know that there have been attempts to define a video going "viral", right?

Viral video - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"YouTube personality Kevin Nalty (known as Nalts) recalls on his blog: "A few years ago, a video could be considered 'viral' if it hit a million views", but says as of 2011, only "if it gets more than 5 million views in a 3–7-day period" can it be considered "viral".[37][38]"

That shit wasn't viral in 2006.

The second video has 169K views nearly a year later, and praises the game as a "good game" despite its critiques. Notice it came out after the game was released. It was a review. Oh my. This is embarrassing.

 

[SuperAlly]

the criticaldrinker isn’t the sole focus of this thread & you know it. stop being a disingenuous twat

Check our deviante's contribution to this thread he started

Having a pop at "William" was clearly his sole intent. You disingenuous twat.

 

[Zazen]

LMFAO.

The top video has a measly 44K views...after a full year to accrue them. You do know that there have been attempts to define a video going "viral", right?

Viral video - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"YouTube personality Kevin Nalty (known as Nalts) recalls on his blog: "A few years ago, a video could be considered 'viral' if it hit a million views", but says as of 2011, only "if it gets more than 5 million views in a 3–7-day period" can it be considered "viral".[37][38]"

That shit wasn't viral in 2006.

The second video has 169K views nearly a year later, and praises the game as a "good game" despite its critiques. Notice it came out after the game was released. It was a review. Oh my. This is embarrassing.

Yeah I know it’s useless to debate with you so I’m not going to bother. First it was this doesn’t exist now you’re shifting the goal post until you think you’ve won. Everyone on sherdog knows your shtick. You do this with everyone you argue with and then you type “concession accepted” which actually translates to “ I don’t have a strong argument so let me believe that I won.”

 

[Madmick]

Yeah I know it’s useless to debate with you so I’m not going to bother. First it was this doesn’t exist now you’re going to shift the goal post until you think you’ve won. Everyone on sherdog knows your shtick.

"Shift muh goalpost" immediately after sharing a video from after the game released while resorting to predictable ad hominem. Pretty uncomfortable, eh?

I knew you'd try to wiggle out with this, but there's no room, here. I was careful to prep that. I knew you'd furiously Google the moment someone called you on your bullshit looking for any obscure scraps you could find. Honestly, I thought you'd be able to do a whole lot better than 44K, LMFAO.

"There was no trending anti-#woke pushback against BG3 before it released...You guys can't help but invent outcries that don't exist, or are limited to a tiny fringe."

You can head over to the VG forum and check out the main thread for BG3. Nobody was whining about the game being woke prior to launch. All it got was a hype with praise for its cinematics in the OP. I'd know. I was the one who made the thread.
BALDUR'S GATE III

Oh yeah, almost forgot. Concession accepted.