Exposing the Grift: Go Woke Go Broke

[deviake]

It's been a long time since I've watched RedLetterMedia's reviews of STD but I don't remember them complaining about gender and sexuality.

 

[Hog-train]

Oh, Discovery? I was trying to figure out which one you were even talking about, I thought it was SNW, Discovery has been out for awhile. Never heard any complaints about LBGTQ characters in that, just heard it's not good.

A cursory google search tells me there's 5. Who gives a fuck?

No there's more. I just think it's funny and retarded how much they're pandering.

 

[deviake]

No there's more. I just think it's funny and retarded how much they're pandering.

Fair enough I guess. Like I said, when I listened to RLM's reviews of the show I don't remember them complaining about this. I didn't know about it until you mentioned it, me avoiding the show had nothing to do with it and I continue to not care

 

[Hog-train]

Fair enough I guess. Like I said, when I listened to RLM's reviews of the show I don't remember them complaining about this. I didn't know about it until you mentioned it, me avoiding the show had nothing to do with it and I continue to not care

I tried to watch it, but tapped out after 6 episodes. I like Star Trek, but the writing was atrocious and retarded. Everything was about the relationship drama instead of sci fi concepts.

The showrunner and main writer is a lesbian so not surprising. It just seems whenever something is overly LGBTQ, the writing and story generally sucks ass. Makes me think the writers themselves got the job due to DEI.

 

[deviake]

I tried to watch it, but tapped out after 6 episodes. I'm like Star Trek. The writing was atrocious and retarded. Everything was about the relationship drama instead of sci fi concepts.

The showrunner and main writer is a lesbian so not surprising. It just seems whenever something is overly LGBTQ, the writing and story generally sucks ass. Makes me think the writers themselves got the job due to DEI.

I mean, arguably Star Trek Movies haven't been good since The Undiscovered Country and the shows haven't been good in 20ish years. This is one show that's bad that has those things when I can name over half a dozen bad ST movies that don't and other series' that don't (unless I'm missing something). It's not like I've done a study but it doesn't seem like that big of a connection to me, strikes me more as "correlation does not equal causation".

 

[Hog-train]

I mean, arguably Star Trek Movies haven't been good since The Undiscovered Country and the shows haven't been good in 20ish years. This is one show that's bad that has those things when I can name over half a dozen bad ST movies that don't and other series' that don't (unless I'm missing something). It's not like I've done a study but it doesn't seem like that big of a connection to me, strikes me more as "correlation does not equal causation".

Picard was good.

True correlation doesn't equal causation, but it correlates almost every time.

 

[deviake]

Picard was good.

True correlation doesn't equal causation, but it correlates almost every time.

I don't think that's the case when you look at the totality of political media.

I thought Picard was pure garbage until S3, but even then, it was only decent. I enjoyed it but it was still off

 

[Zazen]

Baldurs Gate 3 is a fantastic example too. Before it released they were calling it a bestiality fetish game. When it was clear it was a huge hit they all simultaneously backed off like cowards. These guys are worse than the SJWs from years ago

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Well I guess he might be lying about it, but I don't see why he would.
He's still alive and he's done AMAs on reddit, maintained an internet journal, social media, not to mention plenty of interviews.
I'm not going to quibble about semantics. Call it what you like, but in terms of pushing a progressive political or moral message (and Haldeman has explicitly stated he's a progressive), a lot of the movies, series and games that are being lambasted for being "woke" have done a hell of lot less than that.

Like which ones that are being lambasted?

so what if he said he is a progressive? Does not have to reflect what he writes in book form.
Also if it is a known IP, shoehorning in todays irl politics can be way more jarring.

 

[HenryFlower]

I mean, arguably Star Trek Movies haven't been good since The Undiscovered Country and the shows haven't been good in 20ish years. This is one show that's bad that has those things when I can name over half a dozen bad ST movies that don't and other series' that don't (unless I'm missing something). It's not like I've done a study but it doesn't seem like that big of a connection to me, strikes me more as "correlation does not equal causation".

Lower Decks is good

 

[Bob Gray]

I mean, arguably Star Trek Movies haven't been good since The Undiscovered Country and the shows haven't been good in 20ish years. This is one show that's bad that has those things when I can name over half a dozen bad ST movies that don't and other series' that don't (unless I'm missing something). It's not like I've done a study but it doesn't seem like that big of a connection to me, strikes me more as "correlation does not equal causation".

Picard was good.

True correlation doesn't equal causation, but it correlates almost every time.

Check out Brave New Worlds.

 

[Bob Gray]

Baldurs Gate 3 is a fantastic example too. Before it released they were calling it a bestiality fetish game. When it was clear it was a huge hit they all simultaneously backed off like cowards. These guys are worse than the SJWs from years ago

WTF are you even talking about. They hype for BG3 was HUGE for a long time before it came out. Especially once early access was so successful.

 

[Madmick]

Baldurs Gate 3 is a fantastic example too. Before it released they were calling it a bestiality fetish game. When it was clear it was a huge hit they all simultaneously backed off like cowards. These guys are worse than the SJWs from years ago

LOL, WTF are you talking about? There was no trending anti-#woke pushback against BG3 before it released, and most of the bestiality talk occurred after the game released. You guys can't help but invent outcries that don't exist, or are limited to a tiny fringe. The game has a 96% positive rating on Steam. There was no "review bombing" campaign to scapegoat.

I especially love that now you're trying to throw SJWs under the bus. Thank you, concession accepted. Only took more than a decade.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Ian M Banks is my favourite author for Space Opera. He got preachy too with novels like Surface Detail, but his sense of humour let him get away with it.

Gibson counts as hard scifi because he was explicitly imagining the future impact of the internet, artificial intelligence, virtual reality, cybernetics and cyberspace in a book he published in 1984. If you reread Neuromancer, it's hard to imagine that he finished writing this when "the internet" was 2400 baud modems and dial up bulletin boards (in ASCII). As you say, he certainly wasn't in the field of computer science.
Nonetheless he coined terms that were used when aspects of his imagining became a reality.
Similar with his predictions of online culture and fashion in the Bridge trilogy.
Sure, the Sprawl trilogy was a nerdy teenage fantasy of how things might develop, it's dystopian critiques a little too appealing, but even his anticipation of globalisation and corporate power wasn't entirely wrong.

Haldeman was in a position to write anti-war scifi from his experience more than his imagination, but that's absolutely what it was. Iconically so. He made no bones about it being an anti-war response to Heinlein's glorification, even though the two were very respectful. He said that if he hadn't actually been to Vietnam he might have ended up writing heroic fiction like Flash Gordon, but instead it became more satirical. I guess it depends how you define preachy, but all the major narrative and world building elements were aligned along that message, and it wasn't subtle.

You want diversity done right try Greg Egan's VERY hard sci-fi. Like Diaspora or Schild's Ladder. He's an aussie.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

Woke really doesn’t mean anything other than it’s the new code word for “N word lover.” But it’s more versatile because it can be used as “tranny lover,” or “<insert marginalized demographic here> lover.”

Movies have always been woke. There was never a version of A Christmas Carol where Ebenezer Scrooge told all of the struggling employees working for him to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, then they did, and everyone loved happily ever after.

But now shows and movies that are just poorly written are called “woke” so, when they’re failures, idiots can further their incredibly shortsighted political agenda. And yes, the other movies that have themes of social justice, or have a strong female lead, possibly a black character who lives, etc. that so really well are conveniently “not woke.”

It’s little kid shit. That’s all it is. It’s how babies think.

 

[Ruprecht]

You want diversity done right try Greg Egan's VERY hard sci-fi. Like Diaspora or Schild's Ladder. He's an aussie.

Yeah, big fan of Greg Egan. Also Hannu Rajaniemi. Alastair Reynolds. No shortage really of Hard Scifi authors I'm a huge fan of.

 

[Ruprecht]

Like which ones that are being lambasted?

so what if he said he is a progressive? Does not have to reflect what he writes in book form.
Also if it is a known IP, shoehorning in todays irl politics can be way more jarring.

The latest Star Wars movies and TV series, that hero shooter Concord.

...but it does reflect it transparently and intentionally. He's said as much.
The Forever War is iconic '70s progressive anti-war scifi.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Yeah, big fan of Greg Egan. Also Hannu Rajaniemi. Alastair Reynolds. No shortage really of Hard Scifi authors I'm a huge fan of.

Hannu's quantum thief is super.
Helps that Egan along with those you mentioned are ACTUAL high level scientists.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I didn't like him at all in those early seasons when I first watched it. From what I recall he wasn't feeling it either at first. It really showed for me until around the shaved head and his promotion.

Picard was a bit stiff in his early seasons, but He always felt like a military Captain.

I used to have his poster on my wall. Whenever I had a dillema, I'd look to it and ask myself, "what would Picard do" lol. It was always a great help.

It was this one.

https://images.app.goo.gl/:eek::eek::eek:Xb1DtdQyscnXFA

To be fair Picard is the captain of the Federation flagship, Sisko has been farmed out to what Starfleet thinks is a backwater post nobody wants, he's an emotionally damaged character after the death of his wife so I think Brooks playing him as more unstable with less gravitas worked pretty well.

Compared to the guy in your sig I think you could argue of course Sisko didnt have as well defined a character arc but thats true for a lot of DS9 relative to Babylon 5.

It's been a long time since I've watched RedLetterMedia's reviews of STD but I don't remember them complaining about gender and sexuality.

They tend to avoid "cultural war" talking points as much as they can in my expereince, only time I remember them making a significant issue of it was the 2016 Ghostbusters basically stating they felt the film was hiding behind the issue to cover a lack of quality and lacked any real substance.

I do think there Trek reviews go beyond being entertaining opinions to offering some good analysis of the weaknesses of Nu Trek relative to the TNG era. The ironic thing is as they point out TNG is actually an ultra liberal show, some topics it covers maybe a little dated given that that it started 37 years ago but the main focus on the show tended to be dealing with moral conundrums in a very progressive fashion, Picard especially as a character was not someone who compromised morally easily for pragmatic reasons.

Nu Trek on the other hand when you really get down to it is I'd say mostly a pretty shallow franchise, its focused on edgy action, "shocking plot twists" and melodrama, its tokenistic in its casting and makes refference to politics but it rarely puts much focus or substance on them, rarely focuses on the characters facing up to moral choices the way TNG did.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

The latest Star Wars movies and TV series, that hero shooter Concord.

...but it does reflect it transparently and intentionally. He's said as much.
The Forever War is iconic '70s progressive anti-war scifi.

I m pretty sure progressive was not used the same way as it is today.

I would not say those pretty much overdosed on their inside bubble politics, i doubt The Forever War met negative reactions like those.

Nu Trek on the other hand when you really get down to it is I'd say mostly a pretty shallow franchise, its focused on edgy action, "shocking plot twists" and melodrama, its tokenistic in its casting and makes refference to politics but it rarely puts much focus or substance on them, rarely focuses on the characters facing up to moral choices the way TNG did.

Picard and crew fighting ICE is more than reference to politics.