Exposing the Grift: Go Woke Go Broke

[Nizam al-Mulk]

It's Ubisoft so at best more mediocrity is likely on the menu

Add campus left bs to that and it turns bad.

 

[deviake]

Add campus left bs to that and it turns bad.

I don't know what campus left means. I already said what I said

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

I don't know what campus left means. I already said what I said

It is a mono culture and it does act idiotic and it is identity essentialist idiocy.

 

[deviake]

It is a mono culture and it does act idiotic and it is identity essentialist idiocy.

That's a lovely word salad. Dodge noted from earlier, by the way.

It'll suck for likely the same reasons Ubisoft's other games have been, but I'm not gonna repeat what myself and others have said for 20+ pages again

 

[Bob Gray]

Have they gone broke like the phrase says.

The phrase doesnt refer to a company going out of business because they did something woke. The idea is that whatever the product is (Like a movie, or a dick tucking childs bathing suit) is going to lose money or not be as profitable as it would be otherwise.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

That's a lovely word salad. Dodge noted from earlier, by the way.

It'll suck for likely the same reasons Ubisoft's other games have been, but I'm not gonna repeat what myself and others have said for 20+ pages again

A healthy salad with the vitamins one needs to understand the issue at hand.

Couple of sentences ago their games are mediocre and now they sucked for 20 years? What?

 

[deviake]

A healthy salad with the vitamins one needs to understand the issue at hand.

Couple of sentences ago their games are mediocre and now they sucked for 20 years? What?

Okay, so you're what I suspected, I'm done replying to you then

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Okay, so you're what I suspected, I'm done replying to you then

Yeah am not your standard no spine internet weakling that submits as soon as someone calls him racist or a bro.

If you put me on ignore i will make it mutual.

 

[jefferz]

The phrase doesnt refer to a company going out of business because they did something woke. The idea is that whatever the product is (Like a movie, or a dick tucking childs bathing suit) is going to lose money or not be as profitable as it would be otherwise.

So, it should be "go woke, lose money."

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

So, it should be "go woke, lose money."

The meme is like a wild stallion, it cannot be tamed, it spreads without logic.

 

[Bob Gray]

So, it should be "go woke, lose money."

I mean, how pedantic do you want to get? When you were in school did you argue that your buddy was actually in fact, not too cool for school? Which would be impossible because your school had internal heating?

Do you often disagree with applying the term "double trouble" because it's akt-choo-lly only 50% more trouble?

 

[SuperAlly]

Look, fumbling whataboutism!

The reason the "same people" don't complain about Shogun is because the entire premise of that show isn't a white guy being a badass Samurai in ancient feudal Japan, but a study of the unavoidable moment in history when West would meet East, in this case Japan, the most famously insular advanced civilization in human history, articulated through the story of a character based on a real man, an opportunistic navigator who wasn't some obscure figure of history, but one of the most influential foreigners in the history of the country. That character also isn't the true hero of the story, duh, or did you not notice the series wasn't even named after his character? It's called Shogun. As Clavell intended, he functions as our eyewitness and practical narrator to the far more important figure in Japanese history, his native lord, who he serves.

Indeed, it's also adapting a novel that was written nearly 50 years ago, and one of the showrunners who created the project is a Japanese-American woman!

It's a waste of your time arguing with stupid

 

[SuperAlly]

The phrase doesnt refer to a company going out of business because they did something woke. The idea is that whatever the product is (Like a movie, or a dick tucking childs bathing suit) is going to lose money or not be as profitable as it would be otherwise.

The guys arguing against the premise are autistic or simpletons

People create products to make money

Products created with social justice politics as the primary concern tend to do very badly and lose money

That's what is implied by go woke, go broke. Like you say

But these simpletons are trying to take it absolutely 100% literally as if that somehow means that formerly enormously successful IPs like Star Wars, Marvel, Indiana Jones etc etc aren't becoming progressively less and less successful through this strategy

 

[SuperAlly]

Okay, so you're what I suspected, I'm done replying to you then

Someone with greater intellect and grasp of the English language than yourself?

 

[SuperAlly]

I mean, how pedantic do you want to get? When you were in school did you argue that your buddy was actually in fact, not too cool for school? Which would be impossible because your school had internal heating?

Do you often disagree with applying the term "double trouble" because it's akt-choo-lly only 50% more trouble?

It's weird the win they think they're getting

"Actually, Marvel, Lucas Film and Disney etc didn't go broke! They only lost hundreds of millions dollars! Shows what you know, fool."

 

[Madmick]

I mean, how pedantic do you want to get? When you were in school did you argue that your buddy was actually in fact, not too cool for school? Which would be impossible because your school had internal heating?

Do you often disagree with applying the term "double trouble" because it's akt-choo-lly only 50% more trouble?

It's a classic moving of the goalpost. 'The argument was never about whether or not business suffered from it', despite that this was the explicit subject of the OP. No, now it is a bad faith literalist interpretation of a slogan. He commits this transgression himself, but loves to project it onto those he dislikes, often misusing it, and I can't tell if that's because he is trolling, or simply doesn't understand when the fallacy isn't applicable. I've noticed this is perhaps even more common on Sherdog than outside it; people being most irritated by others who are similar to themselves, and who then frequently resort to accusing others of casting stones they often throw themselves.

Their argument so quickly went from "Woke isn't bad for business, look at how great companies that have woke content like Ubi are doing" to "Okay, Ubi is doing poorly, but it's not because of woke content, it's because they make bad games" to "Hey, Ubi didn't go out of business, obviously going #woke isn't a death knell, Gotcha!" then spiking the ball as if victorious while not realizing they're standing in the other team's endzone.

 

[nixkid]

Look, fumbling whataboutism!

The reason the "same people" don't complain about Shogun is because the entire premise of that show isn't a white guy being a badass Samurai in ancient feudal Japan, but a study of the unavoidable moment in history when West would meet East, in this case Japan, the most famously insular advanced civilization in human history, articulated through the story of a character based on a real man, an opportunistic navigator who wasn't some obscure figure of history, but one of the most influential foreigners in the history of the country. That character also isn't the true hero of the story, duh, or did you not notice the series wasn't even named after his character? It's called Shogun. As Clavell intended, he functions as our eyewitness and practical narrator to the far more important figure in Japanese history, his native lord, who he serves.

Indeed, it's also adapting a novel that was written nearly 50 years ago, and one of the showrunners who created the project is a Japanese-American woman!

A novel written by a white guy just like Ubisoft is a western dev. Yasuke was a real man just like William Adams was a real man. Shogun has a Japanese woman as showrunner and Shadows has a Japanese woman as a consultant. Shogun is a story story about first contact with Europeans and Shadows' story (potentially) has elements related to Japanese first contact with a man of African origin. I'm seeing a lot of similarities here. Isn't that reason enough then to wait and see?

The game isn't out yet. No one really knows what the plot is about. There are also two protagonists and one is a Japanese woman. And you can swap between the two freely so you don't even have to play as Yasuke at all. For all any of us know, Naoe maybe the true "main character" in the game and may be a focal point in the story similar to Toranaga or Mariko. If you actually watched the reveal, you'd know that she was the first character announced so there is reason to believe that this is the case.

But that's the the whole point. No one knows what Shadows is about and they are reflexively calling it woke before having experienced the story. They see a black character and their instant reaction is to complain. Then they try to hide it under the veil of it being a missed opportunity for Asian male representation. It's not bigotry, it's virtuous! We don't hate black people, we just want to see more Asian men. But the same argument could be made about Shogun and similar stories. Why are there so many movies/games (Nioh being another example) set in feudal Japan with white characters? Even if Shogun is good (I watched it and enjoyed it. Notice that my post didn't criticize Shogun, I called out the hypocrisy), it is still yet another opportunity missed to tell a purely Japanese story from a Japanese perspective.

 

[Berserker13]

Boomers were raised on this propaganda

 

[Madmick]

A novel written by a white guy just like Ubisoft is a western dev. Shogun has a Japanese woman as showrunner and Shadows has a Japanese woman as a consultant.

Ubisoft is a white guy? First, they're not. It's a company. Second, how would that be relevant? Third, wouldn't they have to be a "black guy" for the analogy to be symmetrical? Oof.
And they wrote the source material for the game 50 years ago?
A consultant who only provides feedback to ideas she doesn't author, who didn't create or pitch the project, and has no administrative authority over creative decisions, is an equivalent to a showrunning project creator?

Analogies aren't your strong suit. I can see why you so obtusely made the original comparison you did.

The game isn't out yet. No one really knows what the plot is about. There are also two protagonists and one is a Japanese woman. And you can swap between the two freely so you don't even have to play as Yasuke at all. For all any of us know, Naoe maybe the true "main character" in the game and may be a focal point in the story similar to Toranaga or Mariko. If you actually watched the reveal, you'd know that she was the first character announced so there is reason to believe that this is the case.

But that's the the whole point. No one knows what Shadows is about and they are reflexively calling it woke before having experienced the story. They see a black character and their instant reaction is to complain. Then they try to hide it under the veil of it being a missed opportunity for Asian male representation. It's not bigotry, it's virtuous! We don't hate black people, we just want to see more Asian men. But the same argument could be made about Shogun and similar stories. Why are there so many movies/games (Nioh being another example) set in feudal Japan with white characters? Even if Shogun is good (I watched it and enjoyed it. Notice that my post didn't criticize Shogun, I called out the hypocrisy), it is still yet another opportunity missed to tell a purely Japanese story from a Japanese perspective.

The person who described it as woke includes the pro-woke YouTuber from the OP. The people voicing discontent with the choice of the protagonist's race in Shadows have reasonably highlighted the strange choice of the first game in the franchise to feature feudal Japan to center upon a figure that wasn't Japanese. Their grievance there isn't one of narrative. You don't have to wait until the game arrives to see what the game is to object to that fact. It was declared in promotional material. Leftists who decry this pushback can shut right the fuck up. They're the ones who spent the last half century laying precedent for this logic. They're the ones who argued that inclusion itself, the very presence or absence of race, when it doesn't reflect the reality of a population's demographics, is grounds for moral judgement of a work of art, and the artist's biases.

This makes sense of why those people are upset. The strange choice of racewashing here against the overwhelming demographic baseline isn't an isolated incident. The #woke entertainment industry has been in hyperdrive with these decisions for the past 8 years.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Ubisoft is a white guy? First, they're not. It's a company.

He said its a western dev, not a white guy lol

Anyway carry on.