Exposing the Grift: Go Woke Go Broke

[GearSolidMetal]

Take The Acolyte. Keep everything the same except it has a coherent, well written story that makes sense and doesn't break cannon.

You got to be trolling.

“The Sith have been extinct for a millennium."
- Episode 1, 1999.

And The Acolyte takes place a century before Episode 1.

Still woke or nah?

Haven't seen it myself, so correct me if I'm wrong but the entire premise of the show is a tribe of lesbian witches conceive twins through the force... which Darth Palguis takes note of... and 100 years later Anakin Skywalker is conceived through the force.

Plaguis's experiments in replicating their methods resulted in Anakin Skywalker's conception.

Grand Experiment

The Grand Experiment was conceived by the Sith Lord Darth Plagueis's desire to create a life form by gaining control of the midi-chlorians, the sentient microscopic organisms that enabled certain beings to wield the power of the Force. Not only did the Dark Lord deem the project a failure, his...

starwars.fandom.com

So children born through the force, in Disney's canon, is no longer such a special thing... and it was lesbian witches's success with the conception of children through the force... that led to the events of all of George Lucas's movies.



That's worse than woke.
That's retroactively making the entire franchise's events due to a LGBTQ group.

 

[SuperAlly]

CONSTANTLY? Like bro, I take breaks from REAL politics cuz I don't wanna hear that shit all the time,

This is their point too

Just make star wars, Indiana jones etc without inserting your modern Californian politics into everything

The fact you appear to know all their real names and intimate personal details when many of them only share content under their character name like critical Drinker is rather telling too

You are absolutely obsessed with these guys

 

[SuperAlly]

Ghost Busters 2016 is a great example of what I think people would call "woke". Dumb male character, gender swap of the cast. There's about a million reasons why it sucks that don't involve gender. Meow imagine it was well written and funny but still women. If the story is good, it's funny and charming like the original... still woke? Even if we call it woke, is anyone goin' broke? Or did it suck because of poor production and the rest was incidental?

Prey is another good one. William for example cried (and I'm sure others did) about how a small woman would stand a chance against a Predator but the whole point of the first movie is that you don't beat one with brute force like a meathead, you have to use cunning and outsmart it. Plus, as RLM pointed out, having a woman going against men telling her she can't do shit is like some 90s Disney shit, ya know, the stuff no one complains is woke, like Mulan.

Take The Acolyte. Keep everything the same except it has a coherent, well written story that makes sense and doesn't break cannon. No fire in space, dumb jail break, stupid killing of Trinity, the sisters don't contradict their own characters, etc. And when I say everything I even mean even the interview that people cry about where Headland calls R2D2 a lesbian. Still woke or nah?

You're still beating the Prey drum despite that disproving your terrible arguments and being the exact opposite of what you are arguing. Wow

 

[SuperAlly]

I think you're casting too wide of a net for labeling something "woke". I mean, "Aliens"?

Like I said, theres some subjectivity to it. You'll find some people complaining just because of diverse casting. I think in general, as a criticism, the idea is you're putting political soapboxing/agenda ahead of making a good product. In a way it's more about the creative talent, or lack thereof. A good story and product will utilize it's themes well, and a bad one will hammer you over the head and the story/characters will suffer.

So, let me use an analogy. You know how nobody ever had a problem with female heroes like Sarah Connor? Princess Leia? Ripley? More recent example would be Ahsoka, Furiosa. But, on the inverse side you have Rey Skywalker, Galadriel on the Amazon LOTR series, etc? One one hand you have characters that are generally well done, versus characters that are poorly executed and thus they become an example of "Woke ruins everything". You could have made a LOTR series and had Galadriel and people would have loved it....if the quality of storytelling were good and the character was handled by people who knew what they were doing. But one of the biggest signs of quality in storytelling is subtlety. Theres absolutely no subtlety with a lot of these products, and it leads to very obvious agenda driven, clumsy execution. Whereas if a talented creative team can get together they can use similar themes, but it would work for the story they tell because they prioritize that above hammering their "message".

It's sort of like watching a really good movie that can inform everything to you incredibly well using creative ways without relying on a character that enters the scene just to give an exposition dump to "explain" everything to you. Ever watch one of those? Where a character just drones on and "explains" everything that the writer thought had to be explained to you, the viewer, and it really drags the movie down? It's kind of like that, except with a political message.

On top of that theres certain obvious things that are pretty much tropes now that tell you thats what you're going to get. Dumb male characters, all the bad guys are white while the rest of the cast is super diverse, etc. And then tons of double standards. i.e. race swapping white characters for more diverse races while changing a characters race to white is "white-washing" (even though the term, historically, means something entirely different)

It's not the first time he's tried to claim any random highly successful movie as woke, when it is anything but, to try and prove his patently ridiculous points

 

[The_Renaissance]

Ghost Busters 2016 is a great example of what I think people would call "woke". Dumb male character, gender swap of the cast. There's about a million reasons why it sucks that don't involve gender. Meow imagine it was well written and funny but still women. If the story is good, it's funny and charming like the original... still woke? Even if we call it woke, is anyone goin' broke? Or did it suck because of poor production and the rest was incidental?

Prey is another good one. William for example cried (and I'm sure others did) about how a small woman would stand a chance against a Predator but the whole point of the first movie is that you don't beat one with brute force like a meathead, you have to use cunning and outsmart it. Plus, as RLM pointed out, having a woman going against men telling her she can't do shit is like some 90s Disney shit, ya know, the stuff no one complains is woke, like Mulan.

Take The Acolyte. Keep everything the same except it has a coherent, well written story that makes sense and doesn't break cannon. No fire in space, dumb jail break, stupid killing of Trinity, the sisters don't contradict their own characters, etc. And when I say everything I even mean even the interview that people cry about where Headland calls R2D2 a lesbian. Still woke or nah?

Good examples. 2016 Ghostbusters, I lasted 15mins. It was the epitome of 'woke' - women for women's sake, with no meaning whatsoever other than to replace male characters with female. Prey, was fantastic. You didn't have to suspend reality, it was played perfectly in how she outsmarted it.

 

[Otto!]

I don’t have a problem with woke. I have a problem with lazy script writing.

 

[HenryFlower]

knew this thread would rile up people. so many posters here worship at the drinker's feet.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

knew this thread would rile up people. so many posters here worship at the drinker's feet.

Names and posts.

if i read a book does it mean i worship the author?

 

[HenryFlower]

Names and posts.

if i read a book does it mean i worship the author?

bruh i ain’t got the time to search for posts where posters are posting the drinker’s videos or clips from his videos as if they were gospel

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

bruh i ain’t got the time to search for posts where posters are posting the drinker’s videos or clips from his videos as if they were gospel

Yeah, do not argue, just exaggerate.

 

[HenryFlower]

Yeah, do not argue, just exaggerate.

uh huh. sure thing.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

. sure thing.

It is clear as day.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Did he dox himself and drive to an another state to fight someone? No. Than he is not having a breakdown, stop this bs line of thinking.

I mean.

Very strange to think a breakdown can only involve fighting.

I think you unintentionally gave a little bit of yourself away there.

 

[HenryFlower]

It is clear as day.

What is?

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

I mean.

Very strange to think a breakdown can only involve fighting.

Or other actually extreme action...

What is?

The axiom above your post.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Or other actually extreme action...


The axiom above your post.

Breakdowns aren't characterised by extreme action, though.

More likely withdrawal or loss of normal functioning. Sudden shifts in behaviour, in this case, hyperfocus for no other explainable reason might suggest a breakdown.

I didn't even notice this guy in the war room before but now it's 17 posts per page, why?

 

[SuperAlly]

Nerdrotic is toxic

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Breakdowns aren't characterised by extreme action, though.

More likely withdrawal or loss of normal functioning. Sudden shifts in behaviour, in this case, hyperfocus for no other explainable reason might suggest a breakdown.

I didn't even notice this guy in the war room before but now it's 17 posts per page, why?

He si working from home and there is no one around and is waiting for an email?

And about a zillion other reasons.

Might...

Having an avatar like that might suggest white nationalist sympathies. The argument would be just as grounded as yours.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

He si working from home and there is no one around and is waiting for an email?

And about a zillion other reasons.

Might...

Having an avatar like that might suggest white nationalist sympathies. The argument would be just as grounded as yours.

Why would someone who knows absolutely nothing at all about MMA even be here, out of curiosity?

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Why would someone who knows absolutely nothing at all about MMA even be here, out of curiosity?

Ideological diversity and my point still stands.