Exposing the Grift: Go Woke Go Broke

[SuperAlly]

nope! it’s clearly the woke content that is tanking box office revenue, not the fact that having access to new releases from the comfort of your home is more prolific than ever!

Because of their own left wing politics people are desperate to pretend that identity politics aren't massively diminishing formerly phenomenally popular IPs.

If you were right, we wouldn't be getting huge box office smashes like Deadpool and Wolverine or even other movies that have enjoyed massive success at the cinema in 2024 and 2023

Because of their own politics people just want to ignore these massively successful movies that contradict their own world view

Absolutely mental. "That's inconvenient. I'll pretend it doesn't exist"

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Uh, the Sith were never extinct?

The jedi THOUGHT the Sith were extinct because they could no longer detect them through the force. They had no understanding of what Darth Bane did with the Rule of Two and that the Sith were still extant and active. There was an unbroken line in the Order of Sith Lords until Darth Vader who broke the lineage and "brought balance to the force".

Are you just trying to be cute, or are you really trying to deflect that as of Episode 1 it was common belief among the Jedi Council that the Sith were extinct for 1,000 years... so a show about the Jedi fighting (and many members gets killed by) someone who claims to be Sith... and the very character (Ki-Adi-Mundi) who says "The Sith Has Been Extinct For A Thousand Years" appears in the show, meaning he obviously would be aware of his fellow Jedi who were massacred a century before by 'a Sith.'

 

[SuperAlly]

Are you just trying to be cute, or are you really trying to deflect that as of Episode 1 it was common belief among the Jedi Council that the Sith were extinct for 1,000 years... so a show about the Jedi fighting (and many members gets killed by) someone who claims to be Sith... and the very character (Ki-Adi-Mundi) who says "The Sith Has Been Extinct For A Thousand Years" appears in the show, meaning he obviously would be aware of his fellow Jedi who were massacred a century before by 'a Sith.'

Leave logic and common sense at the door when you have to defend your political ideology to the death

 

[HenryFlower]

What do you mean ever?

Nflix is how old? Torrenting is how old?

you can’t rent new releases on Netflix. try again.

 

[HenryFlower]

Because of their own left wing politics people are desperate to pretend that identity politics aren't massively diminishing formerly phenomenally popular IPs.

If you were right, we wouldn't be getting huge box office smashes like Deadpool and Wolverine or even other movies that have enjoyed massive success at the cinema in 2024 and 2023

Because of their own politics people just want to ignore these massively successful movies that contradict their own world view

Absolutely mental. "That's inconvenient. I'll pretend it doesn't exist"

what?

 

[Bob Gray]

Yeah, you got me...that one Disney show that got cancelled tells us the whole story while all of the other "woke" shows that ran for years can just be ignored.

Let me say the point more directly. If going woke meant going broke then the majority of Hollywood productions would be anti-woke products because the woke products would eventually drive their producers out of business. Capitalism would end woke productions as a legitimate production decision. We'd get a few woke products here and there but largely not because studios couldn't afford to lose money on them over and over again.

Disney didnt lose 4 billion dollars last year because of one canceled show.

 

[Bob Gray]

Are you just trying to be cute, or are you really trying to deflect that as of Episode 1 it was common belief among the Jedi Council that the Sith were extinct for 1,000 years... so a show about the Jedi fighting (and many members gets killed by) someone who claims to be Sith... and the very character (Ki-Adi-Mundi) who says "The Sith Has Been Extinct For A Thousand Years" appears in the show, meaning he obviously would be aware of his fellow Jedi who were massacred a century before by 'a Sith.'

Goddammit, dude. This is what happens when you don't watch the show.

One person knows it's a sith, and they're keeping it a secret. Everyone else who knew it was a sith either died, teamed up with the sith or had their mind wiped.

This is what happens when you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Falsedawn]

Are you just trying to be cute, or are you really trying to deflect that as of Episode 1 it was common belief among the Jedi Council that the Sith were extinct for 1,000 years... so a show about the Jedi fighting (and many members gets killed by) someone who claims to be Sith... and the very character (Ki-Adi-Mundi) who says "The Sith Has Been Extinct For A Thousand Years" appears in the show, meaning he obviously would be aware of his fellow Jedi who were massacred a century before by 'a Sith.'

There's no fucking deflection dummy, I know the lore lmfao. The Sith had an UNINTERRUPTED lineage between Darth Bane and Darth Vader. Do you know what "uninterrupted" means? Do you even know the significance of Darth Bane to the Sith? The Rule of Two is arguably the most consequential action in the star wars universe, you're the one trying to recon established lore here. And not even legends lore, Disney made Bane and Zannah (and therefore the Rule of Two) canon in their lore too. I don't give a fuck what an in universe character says lmao, the lore is very clear that the Sith were never destroyed except by themselves. And the prophecy of the Sith'ari is clear that it was done to make them stronger.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Goddammit, dude. This is what happens when you don't watch the show.

One person knows it's a sith, and they're keeping it a secret. Everyone else who knew it was a sith either died, teamed up with the sith or had their mind wiped.

This is what happens when you don't know what you're talking about.

Yeah, about that... Jedi Masters can feel the deaths of fellow Jedi they are close to through the force... but they can't feel the deaths of the multiple Jedi 'the Sith' kill?

Pretty sure Yoda would have used deduction to figure out only very powerful & skilled person is capable of committing such murders, if not ordered an investigation to the location on the planet such a massacre occurred.

 

[Ruprecht]

It's not so much that all entertainment with woke messaging is automatically dismissed by audiences, it's more so that movies and video games which offer zero entertainment value apart from woke messaging, have had a tendency to fail spectacularly.

What I mean by this is, for example, would be a movie about a gay relationship, where the gay is emphasized rather than the relationship. These sorts of hollow stories just don't seen to find an audience. You still need to build them around the basic foundations of what makes a gripping story, rather than trying to weave a half-assed, conveniently written plot with cringeworthy dialogue around a political message that you want to push.

Entertainment has always included politics, moralizing, giving life lessons to an audience, but rarely so blatantly at the expense of the story and entertainment value as today. Basically you'd have to go back to WW2 era propaganda movies to find such heavyhanded messaging.

Also, if pretty much all entertainment that is pushed out has woke messaging, it's inevitable that at least some of it will be successful due to a lack of alternatives. But this is probably in spite of the political messages being pushed, rather than because of them. They may well have been even more popular without the added, unnecessary political content that may make them appear dated and contrived at a later date, just like some old movies with obsolete ideas appear to us now. You never really want to create art and entertainment that is so obviously a "product of the times".

Most Cold War content is very obviously a product of it's times, but I still love it
Scifi is my favourite genre, and I still vastly prefer picking up Golden Age or New Wave scifi which was prefiltered through the rigours of publishing, than try and wade through Good Reads/Amazon new releases. Even if now a lot of it is retrofuturism. For that matter the same applies to going back to titles like The Angel of the Revolution: A Tale of the Coming Terror, which is scifi about airship combat written in 1893, Steampunk before it was largely an aesthetic pretence.
The heavy handed political caricatures of the times are a part of that appeal.
Of course it's hard to imagine being similarly interested in the current zeitgeist as a historical artifact, when English media so heavily features America's current culture war and tranny obsession.
Then again, I love The Illuminatus! Trilogy, which is a tongue-in-cheek take on the very American paranoid style of politics in the '60s and '70s combined with the eras psychedelia, so maybe in a few decades.
There's certainly plenty of comedy available in the form of Trump, fake news about Haitian migrants eating people's pets and culture wars reaching the level of character creators in fantasy video games having optional double mastectomy scarring and youtubers profiting off the ragebait about it.

 

[Bob Gray]

Yeah, about that... Jedi Masters can feel the deaths of fellow Jedi they are close to through the force... but they can't feel the deaths of the multiple Jedi 'the Sith' kill?

Pretty sure Yoda would have used deduction to figure out only very powerful & skilled person is capable of committing such murders, if not ordered an investigation to the location on the planet such a massacre occurred.

Dude stop. You didn't know the events of the show, made a dumb comment about it, got corrected and now you're spit-balling some random reason why somehow a jedi master would "sense" how every single jedi dies, because thats totally been a thing in SW canon. I guess all through the SW canon during the rule of two, no sith has ever killed a jedi because Yoda would figure it out? I guess?

You're talking out of your ass about something you are totally ignorant of, and it is completely obvious.

Which makes this comment a few pages back all the more hilarious coming from you:

Then you're arguing with very very limited knowledge of the subject with what you're arguing about.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

There's no fucking deflection dummy, I know the lore lmfao. The Sith had an UNINTERRUPTED lineage between Darth Bane and Darth Vader. Do you know what "uninterrupted" means? Do you even know the significance of Darth Bane to the Sith? The Rule of Two is arguably the most consequential action in the star wars universe, you're the one trying to recon established lore here. And not even legends lore, Disney made Bane and Zannah (and therefore the Rule of Two) canon in their lore too. I don't give a fuck what an in universe character says lmao, the lore is very clear that the Sith were never destroyed except by themselves. And the prophecy of the Sith'ari is clear that it was done to make them stronger.

I've read the Darth Bane Trilogy at least five times and consider it to be the absolute best Star Wars EU books... and by the way they take place far far before that "The Sith Have Been Extinct For A Millenium" timeframe so there could have been written in the EU an interraction between Sith & Jedi that they viewed it necessary to write into history their belief the Sith were extinct... after Zannah and Cognus... which would be an obvious deception by the Sith.

 

[Falsedawn]

I've read the Darth Bane Trilogy at least five times and consider it to be the absolute best Star Wars EU books... and by the way they take place far far before that "The Sith Have Been Extinct For A Millenium" timeframe so there could have been written in the EU an interraction between Sith & Jedi that they viewed it necessary to write into history their belief the Sith were extinct... after Zannah and Cognus... which would be an obvious deception by the Sith.

If you're really a Bane reader, then you should know good and damn well that the Sith were never extinct and that it was a mistaken belief by the Jedi. When Bane detonated the thought bomb that killed the brotherhood of darkness and the jedi order, the jedi could feel the darkside energy snuffing out. That's why they thought they were extinct, because where the darksiders previously made a force impression that they could feel, they no longer did. Only problem is that Bane did it to concentrate the dark side of the force into the Order of Sith Lords, which had an uninterrupted lineage from Bane to Vader. The Jedi didn't know anything about the Rule of Two or that the sith survived for thousands of years up until Sidious and Vader. That's the whole point of Sidious' whole reveal, it's a "Surprise, we were never gone" moment.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Dude stop. You didn't know the events of the show, made a dumb comment about it, got corrected and now you're spit-balling some random reason why somehow a jedi master would "sense" how every single jedi dies, because thats totally been a thing in SW canon. I guess all through the SW canon during the rule of two, no sith has ever killed a jedi because Yoda would figure it out? I guess?

You're completely talking out of your ass about something you are totally ignorant of, and it is completely obvious.

Which makes this comment a few pages back all the more hilarious coming from you:

Dude stop?
Why because the simplistic events of the show are so obvious in contradiction with established canon that someone that has only heard of the events of the show can figure out the obvious contradictions?

The Jedi act as an organization with records when one or many are dispatched to a planet with a mission to complete. And yes, when more than a few are killed within moments of eachother that can be felt through the force by other Jedi, like with Order66. And when those ripples are felt an immediate investigation is launched to their last known location.

You're seriously implying that multiple jedi being killed by one lightsaber-weilding person would have gone completely undiscovered by the Jedi Order?

 

[Bob Gray]

Dude stop?
Why because the simplistic events of the show are so obvious in contradiction with established canon that someone that has only heard of the events of the show can figure out the obvious contradictions?

The Jedi act as an organization with records when one or many are dispatched to a planet with a mission to complete. And yes, when more than a few are killed within moments of eachother that can be felt through the force by other Jedi, like with Order66. And when those ripples are felt an immediate investigation is launched to their last known location.

You're seriously implying that multiple jedi being killed by one lightsaber-weilding person would have gone completely undiscovered by the Jedi Order?

WTF, dude. You havent seen the show. There's literally a whole plot thread about an actual jedi within the jedi order actively making sure it stays secret by framing someone else and falsifying records.

You were wrong, man. It isn't the end of the world. Things happen in TV shows outside of the youtube clips you watch.

 

[Ruprecht]

Were you guys banned from arguing about Star Wars in Mayberry?

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

you can’t rent new releases on Netflix. try again.

Rent?

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Concession accepted.

Have you broken, Mick, lol

 

[GearSolidMetal]

If you're really a Bane reader, then you should know good and damn well that the Sith were never extinct and that it was a mistaken belief by the Jedi.

I never said they were, or insinuated as such.

When Bane detonated the thought bomb that killed the brotherhood of darkness and the jedi order, the jedi could feel the darkside energy snuffing out. That's why they thought they were extinct, because where the darksiders previously made a force impression that they could feel, they no longer did. Only problem is that Bane did it to concentrate the dark side of the force into the Order of Sith Lords, which had an uninterrupted lineage from Bane to Vader. The Jedi didn't know anything about the Rule of Two or that the sith survived for thousands of years up until Sidious and Vader. That's the whole point of Sidious' whole reveal, it's a "Surprise, we were never gone" moment.

"Always two there are. No more no less. A master and an apprentice." - Yoda, Ep1.

Here's the thing... with the events of the finale of 'The Rule of Two' (2nd book) the Jedi are sarisfied that the last of the Sith are finally extinct. But also it was a pretty short timeframe from the Thought Bomb (Finale of Book 1) and the finale of the 2nd book, to justify Yoda's certainty of "Always two there are" since the Jedi only had one interraction with the Sith in a millenium which they believed they were all killed off.

At some point that knowledge would be revealed to the Jedi that the 'extinct' Sith worked in pairs.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

WTF, dude. You havent seen the show. There's literally a whole plot thread about an actual jedi within the jedi order actively making sure it stays secret by framing someone else and falsifying records.

You were wrong, man. It isn't the end of the world. Things happen in TV shows outside of the youtube clips you watch.

Framing someone else?
Ok, enlighten me. Who did they frame for multiple murders of Jedi with a lightsaber so that other Jedi would buy it?