Exposing the Grift: Go Woke Go Broke

[PurpleStorm]

Is it a dead horse? If John Milius's daughter had a game coming out right now and it did well would the media just shrug or try to make her life hell?

This islike saying in 43 ww2 is over. Did any companies star we treat Republicans the same campaings? How long has been since most CEOs pushing this at big gaming corps were fired? You do know Wukong comes out of China? A literal communist company took advantage of the insanity of the US cultural atmosphere.

How many big gaming company CEOs loudly and proudly say they won't vote for Kamala?



Nike just put out a huge ad walking the Kaep stuff back and was criticized for it by the progs.

Nflix is not that progressive even if they messed up some IP. They recently told to the Avatar actor to shut it about his politics and told the Brazilian left to pound sand over El Mechanismo. Nflix is a bit mot more complicated than clear progressive winfest if you pay attention.

DEI, which I've always opposed, was proven a disaster and is rightfully being put in the trash bin of history. I don't subscribe to netflix or disney for the reasons you describe, along with them not providing content I want to watch. We're not as different or opposed to one another as you may think. Have a good day.

 

[deviake]

Holy shit lol. With SuperDumbass blocked that last page only has three posts. He posted 17x IN A ROW? Lmao, good riddance

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Lol, that explains why when I clicked on this page I didn't see anything earlier. I blocked ol' boy after he made 1,000 posts in a row in another thread

I got literally 3 posts on this whole page, someone having a mental breakdown?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

There's a zillion of them. Some way worse than others. I have seen some of the shows. Can't think of the actual names off hand but there's this English bloke with bad teeth that looks like he hasn't showered in a week doing them.

If there a 'zillion' of them you could name a few.

'English bloke with bad teeth.'
Well THAT narrows it down.

The worst thing is, most just copy and paste the same exact content from the more professional ones.

Okay... so that means you both the 'professional ones' and those who copy&paste from them.

No I'm saying they're farming for clicks and money based on ragebait.

That's not 'grifting.'
That's persuing an audience. Making content that people want to see.
As for if its 'ragebait' some people are far more angry than others, but usually its pretty transparent.

Two thing can be true at once you know. Some complaints can be valid. And are valid based on my experience.

At the same time, they ALSO exaggerate and ragebait for clicks. Sometimes making a mountain out of a molehill.

Yeah, that's pretty obvious in many cases they're playing a character, but also the fact is practically everyone is pretty boring in real life, so many 'play a character' when telling their actual opinions.

Like the critic the OP video is raging against, Crirical Drinker, actually is scottish and likes to drink... but is he drunk in every video he records his pre-written script? No.

He 'dials it up to 11.'

BTW, he actually does write his scripts himself. He's a published author.

 

[Barteh]

@deviake 17 is the number indeed. Not all in a row but the first 10 or so are. Intriguing stuff.

 

[deviake]

I got literally 3 posts on this whole page, someone having a mental breakdown?

Haha apparently. I remember he made a bazillion posts in the Hamas thread I believe, that's when I blocked him.

@deviake 17 is the number indeed. Not all in a row but the first 10 or so are. Intriguing stuff.

Lol, good grief

 

[DoctorTaco]

So now you're admitting the Japanese did have an issue with it

Awesome how you can 180 your arguments and still pretend you were always correct

Huh?

 

[Hog-train]

If there a 'zillion' of them you could name a few.

'English bloke with bad teeth.'
Well THAT narrows it down.

Dude I don't know. They're just in my feed all the time so I end up listening to them sometimes. I just click - I don't remember names. Only ones I can remember are Endymion and Critical Drinker.

That's not 'grifting.'
That's persuing an audience. Making content that people want to see.
As for if its 'ragebait' some people are far more angry than others, but usually its pretty transparent.

Trying to say anything so the algorithm rewards them with clicks is ragebait farming and grifting IMO. It's like trashy reality TV. We all know what it is.

Yeah, that's pretty obvious in many cases they're playing a character, but also the fact is practically everyone is pretty boring in real life, so many 'play a character' when telling their actual opinions.

Like the critic the OP video is raging against, Crirical Drinker, actually is scottish and likes to drink... but is he drunk in every video he records his pre-written script? No.

He 'dials it up to 11.'

BTW, he actually does write his scripts himself. He's a published author.

I'd say Critical Drinker is one of the more legit and professional ones. But there are a whole bunch of incel like copycats that don't even give a shit. And are not original.

They just do carbon copies of others for clicks. All the stories come out and they talk about the exact same thing on the same exact day. It's obvious.

 

[deviake]

Disparu is arguably the worst offender, even worse than William because at least William has some solid takes in between his white man grievance ID politics. Disparu manages to be annoying and full of shit. His Andor review was hilarity, his own audience wasn't buying that shit in the comments.

Nerdotic is another big one. William had some other english dude on one of his streams who was insufferable.

There's other small channels who peddle the same bullshit and I'm sure other big ones I'm not remembering/haven't seen. Even if we were to grant them any validity to their claims the amount they bring up woman this, woman that, gay, etc, it's like, why the fuck would you wanna listen to that whiny alt-right culture war horseshit CONSTANTLY? Like bro, I take breaks from REAL politics cuz I don't wanna hear that shit all the time, you think I wanna listen to someone bitch and moan about skin color and women when I'm trying to watch a fucking review? Fuck off. It's not like it's hard to review shit without the constant grievance bullshit, channels like Jeremy Jahns and RLM do it all the time. RLM reviewed the Ghostbusters remake and tore it apart with no crying about women. Their reviews are fun and interesting, not a constant, whiny, bitchy, straight white guy annoying grievance slog and when they do touch on politics, it's some combo of funny/actually having something to say.

You know it's bad when fucking RedLetterMedia starts taking shots at culture war jockeys. Hell, Jay in one of their Half In The Bag episodes mentioned people complaining about a black woman "just existing" in a screenshot from a Jurassic Park movie. They made fun of them and the word woke in their Prey review.

This is the audience these losers cultivate, then they have the nerve to complain it's other people obsessed with ID politics.

...Go away now.

 

[Hog-train]

Disparu is arguably the worst offender, even worse than William because at least William has some solid takes in between his white man grievance ID politics. Disparu manages to be annoying and full of shit. His Andor review was hilarity, his own audience wasn't buying that shit in the comments.

Yea that's the one! He's the incel looking toad who never brushes his teeth or showers apparently.

 

[Bob Gray]

He lost me around the 10 minute mark. He does something that people often do when they try to counter argument something, he takes examples that aren't really reflective of the point people are making. "Go woke, go broke" isn't arguing that if your cast is black or asian, the movie wont make money. It isn't arguing that having certain themes in your product means it will be unprofitable. His examples of profitable "woke" movies was pretty terrible. Guardians of the Galaxy 3? Seriously?

Is there a certain amount of subjectivity to it? Sure, of course. But I think theres a very big difference between something like the Lord of the Rings series versus Get Out, and the comparison is pretty terrible. The examples he's giving of successful "woke" movies aren't movies that make people roll their eyes at all the clumsy preaching and shoe-horning contemporary topics where they dont fit. They're, not by coincidence, well crafted films that take their topics seriously and build the movie around the concept as opposed to forcing it.

 

[TheGreatA]

It's not so much that all entertainment with woke messaging is automatically dismissed by audiences, it's more so that movies and video games which offer zero entertainment value apart from woke messaging, have had a tendency to fail spectacularly.

What I mean by this is, for example, would be a movie about a gay relationship, where the gay is emphasized rather than the relationship. These sorts of hollow stories just don't seen to find an audience. You still need to build them around the basic foundations of what makes a gripping story, rather than trying to weave a half-assed, conveniently written plot with cringeworthy dialogue around a political message that you want to push.

Entertainment has always included politics, moralizing, giving life lessons to an audience, but rarely so blatantly at the expense of the story and entertainment value as today. Basically you'd have to go back to WW2 era propaganda movies to find such heavyhanded messaging.

Also, if pretty much all entertainment that is pushed out has woke messaging, it's inevitable that at least some of it will be successful due to a lack of alternatives. But this is probably in spite of the political messages being pushed, rather than because of them. They may well have been even more popular without the added, unnecessary political content that may make them appear dated and contrived at a later date, just like some old movies with obsolete ideas appear to us now. You never really want to create art and entertainment that is so obviously a "product of the times".

 

[deviake]

He lost me around the 10 minute mark. He does something that people often do when they try to counter argument something, he takes examples that aren't really reflective of the point people are making. "Go woke, go broke" isn't arguing that if your cast is black or asian, the movie wont make money. It isn't arguing that having certain themes in your product means it will be unprofitable. His examples of profitable "woke" movies was pretty terrible. Guardians of the Galaxy 3? Seriously?

Is there a certain amount of subjectivity to it? Sure, of course. But I think theres a very big difference between something like the Lord of the Rings series versus Get Out, and the comparison is pretty terrible. The examples he's giving of successful "woke" movies aren't movies that make people roll their eyes at all the clumsy preaching and shoe-horning contemporary topics where they dont fit. They're, not by coincidence, well crafted films that take their topics seriously and build the movie around the concept as opposed to forcing it.

Is there a single "woke" thing you can think of that failed that wasn't poorly written, directed, acted, etc? I find people often have a questionable definition of what woke even is and then when someone points out stuff where the lead is intentionally a woman or the themes are social progress or what have you, if it was well made and successful it's not "woke" even if it checks a lotta boxes, but if it sucked and was poorly made but had the same or similar characteristics then it is "woke".

Also, he's not arguing that nothing "woke" fails, he's arguing that plenty of "woke" things succeed and backs it up with numbers. He saying, "go woke, go broke" is bullshit on an empirical level and that things that fail tend to fail because they were poorly made.

Can someone argue, for example, how Aliens isn't woke? Themes of motherhood, Vietnam, and corporate greed, the woman is the hero and the voice of reason and keeps her cool when the man doesn't and saves everyone, berates one of the marines for losing his shit, goes back into the nest by herself then beats the big bad by herself.

Barbie kicked a fucking hornets nest; a lotta people really liked it, others cried that it was man hating yadda yadda bla bla feminazi or whatever.

If we're talking race and gender swapping as woke, okay, but then there's stuff that's very successful where they do that so...?

I often see people disagree about what "woke" even means these days.

 

[deviake]

Ghost Busters 2016 is a great example of what I think people would call "woke". Dumb male character, gender swap of the cast. There's about a million reasons why it sucks that don't involve gender. Meow imagine it was well written and funny but still women. If the story is good, it's funny and charming like the original... still woke? Even if we call it woke, is anyone goin' broke? Or did it suck because of poor production and the rest was incidental?

Prey is another good one. William for example cried (and I'm sure others did) about how a small woman would stand a chance against a Predator but the whole point of the first movie is that you don't beat one with brute force like a meathead, you have to use cunning and outsmart it. Plus, as RLM pointed out, having a woman going against men telling her she can't do shit is like some 90s Disney shit, ya know, the stuff no one complains is woke, like Mulan.

Take The Acolyte. Keep everything the same except it has a coherent, well written story that makes sense and doesn't break cannon. No fire in space, dumb jail break, stupid killing of Trinity, the sisters don't contradict their own characters, etc. And when I say everything I even mean even the interview that people cry about where Headland calls R2D2 a lesbian. Still woke or nah?

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

I got literally 3 posts on this whole page, someone having a mental breakdown?

Did he dox himself and drive to an another state to fight someone? No. Than he is not having a breakdown, stop this bs line of thinking.

I'd say Critical Drinker is one of the more legit and professional ones. But there are a whole bunch of incel like copycats that don't even give a shit. And are not original.

Caring about the breeding potential of a movie reviewer is like caring about your librarians.

 

[Bob Gray]

Is there a single "woke" thing you can think of that failed that wasn't poorly written, directed, acted, etc? I find people often have a questionable definition of what woke even is and then when someone points out stuff where the lead is intentionally a woman or the themes are social progress or what have you, if it was well made and successful it's not "woke" even if it checks a lotta boxes, but if it sucked and was poorly made but had the same or similar characteristics then it is "woke".

Also, he's not arguing that nothing "woke" fails, he's arguing that plenty of "woke" things succeed and backs it up with numbers. He saying, "go woke, go broke" is bullshit on an empirical level and that things that fail tend to fail because they were poorly made.

Can someone argue, for example, how Aliens isn't woke? Themes of motherhood, Vietnam, and corporate greed, the woman is the hero and the voice of reason and keeps her cool when the man doesn't and saves everyone, berates one of the marines for losing his shit, goes back into the nest by herself then beats the big bad by herself.

Barbie kicked a fucking hornets nest; a lotta people really liked it, others cried that it was man hating yadda yadda bla bla feminazi or whatever.

If we're talking race and gender swapping as woke, okay, but then there's stuff that's very successful where they do that so...?

I often see people disagree about what "woke" even means these days.

I think you're casting too wide of a net for labeling something "woke". I mean, "Aliens"?

Like I said, theres some subjectivity to it. You'll find some people complaining just because of diverse casting. I think in general, as a criticism, the idea is you're putting political soapboxing/agenda ahead of making a good product. In a way it's more about the creative talent, or lack thereof. A good story and product will utilize it's themes well, and a bad one will hammer you over the head and the story/characters will suffer.

So, let me use an analogy. You know how nobody ever had a problem with female heroes like Sarah Connor? Princess Leia? Ripley? More recent example would be Ahsoka, Furiosa. But, on the inverse side you have Rey Skywalker, Galadriel on the Amazon LOTR series, etc? One one hand you have characters that are generally well done, versus characters that are poorly executed and thus they become an example of "Woke ruins everything". You could have made a LOTR series and had Galadriel and people would have loved it....if the quality of storytelling were good and the character was handled by people who knew what they were doing. But one of the biggest signs of quality in storytelling is subtlety. Theres absolutely no subtlety with a lot of these products, and it leads to very obvious agenda driven, clumsy execution. Whereas if a talented creative team can get together they can use similar themes, but it would work for the story they tell because they prioritize that above hammering their "message".

It's sort of like watching a really good movie that can inform everything to you incredibly well using creative ways without relying on a character that enters the scene just to give an exposition dump to "explain" everything to you. Ever watch one of those? Where a character just drones on and "explains" everything that the writer thought had to be explained to you, the viewer, and it really drags the movie down? It's kind of like that, except with a political message.

On top of that theres certain obvious things that are pretty much tropes now that tell you thats what you're going to get. Dumb male characters, all the bad guys are white while the rest of the cast is super diverse, etc. And then tons of double standards. i.e. race swapping white characters for more diverse races while changing a characters race to white is "white-washing" (even though the term, historically, means something entirely different)

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Dude I don't know. They're just in my feed all the time so I end up listening to them sometimes. I just click - I don't remember names. Only ones I can remember are Endymion and Critical Drinker.

Then you're arguing with very very limited knowledge of the subject with what you're arguing about.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Lol, that explains why when I clicked on this page I didn't see anything earlier. I blocked ol' boy after he made 1,000 posts in a row in another thread

Bragging about blocking is a very feminine behavior. It's basically saying to the world you can't handle your own feelings and you need the site to do it for you.

 

[Flower2dPeople]

Bragging about blocking is a very feminine behavior. It's basically saying to the world you can't handle your own feelings and you need the site to do it for you.

I seriously don't get it. Make provocative threads, getting into arguments is normal. Blocking people just to have your safe space? What a bundle of sticks.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

I seriously don't get it. Make provocative threads, getting into arguments is normal. Blocking people just to have your safe space? What a bundle of sticks.

If it must be done, just do it quietly.
Bragging about it is just bitch-made.