Exposing the Grift: Go Woke Go Broke

[Nizam al-Mulk]

And what is a 'CHUD' ?

I would never seriously use that word but the studio machines are starting to have real problems with the general audience.

 

[deviake]

Concession accepted.

Ur not even watching what ur replying about in full on essays

There's no reason care what u think and you'd say the same if roles were reversed

 

[SuperAlly]

You guys are legitimately hilarious

The lack of self awareness here is brilliant

 

[Hog-train]

Saying they're 'grifters' means they actually liked The Acolyte & Rings of Power, but portray like they didn't like it on their videos.

And you're attributing to them far far more power than they actually have... to get a $180 million budget series 'The Acolyte' cancelled.

You're complimenting them far far more than you're insulting them

But a lot of them are grifters though IMO.

Some of the stuff they say have kernels of truth mixed in with sometimes paranoid assertions. Sometimes way over exaggerated or over the top.

They're in it for clicks and rage baiting for money. A good example is the mini cottage industry that has sprung up talking about Caitlin Clark and how she's the victim of racism. I get daily Youtube recommendations about every little foul she gets.

Grifters:

a person who engages in petty or small-scale swindling.

person who pretends to hold certain (often political) views in order to gain money or other benefits.

 

[Madmick]

Ur not even watching what ur replying about in full on essays

There's no reason care what u think and you'd say the same if roles were reversed

I'm not debating him, I'm debating you. I made it clear I'm not watching some dumb YouTuber. I only asked for the list of movies, and then reacted to that list. If you wish to dispute my repudiation of that list of movies, then it shouldn't be difficult to adapt his arguments to counter my own, but apparently you are incapable of that, and instead rush to hide beneath his skirt.

So there really isn't anything more to say. Concession accepted.

 

[nixkid]

The uproar around the new assassin's creed game is particularly fucking brain dead. Whining about historical accuracy in a game where the pop fights a secret organization with super ancient catholic God magic is wild.

Not to mention that no one complained about Nioh having a white protagonist in a game with a similar feudal Japanese setting.

When confronted about the hypocrisy, they then pivot and start to argue about whether or not Yasuke was actually a samurai

 

[SuperAlly]

@Contempt, I finished the Smithsonian article angrypikachu linked. My bad, Lockley IS mentioned, but not by me, he's mentioned in the article that your boy angrypikachu posted lmao:

asuke in pop culture​

Despite the lack of concrete information about Yasuke, the samurai’s life has inspired a range of adaptations. In 1968, Japanese author Kurusu Yoshio published Kuro-suke, a children’s book that dramatizes Yasuke’s story. More recent titles about the warrior include Lockley’s 2019 book, co-written with Geoffrey Girard, and Jamal Turner’s 2020 children’s book Yasuke: The Legend of the African Samurai. Yasuke also shows up in the 2017 video game “Nioh,” which is set during the Sengoku period.

Possible depiction of Yasuke (left side) on a Rinpa-style ink-stone box dated to the 1590s Public domain via Wikimedia Commons
In 2019, Chadwick Boseman, perhaps best known for portraying the eponymous superhero in Marvel’s Black Panther, signed on to play Yasuke in an upcoming film. “The legend of Yasuke is one of history’s best kept secrets, the only person of non-Asian origin to become a samurai,” the actor told Deadline. “That’s not just an action movie, that’s a cultural event, an exchange, and I am excited to be part of it.” Boseman died of colon cancer in August 2020, leaving the project’s future uncertain.

Production on the live-action film may be stalled, but that hasn’t stopped other creatives from offering their own takes on Yasuke. The six-episode anime “Yasuke,” released on Netflix in April 2021, follows a heavily fictionalized version of the warrior 20 years after the Honnoji Incident as he battles giant robots, ancient demons and other evil creatures. LaKeith Stanfield of Judas and the Black Messiah fame voices Yasuke, who spends the series protecting Saki, a young girl with magical powers, from dark forces as they journey north together.

“Since Yasuke doesn’t have an owned estate, no one owns his character—his story was up for interpretation,” animation director LeSean Thomas told Den of Geek last year. “I knew I wanted to tell a story that was removed from history so that we can create a new action hero and celebrate him through this adventure story.”

Yoshiko Okuyama, an expert on Japanese studies at the University of Hawaiʻi at Hilo, praises “Yasuke” for featuring a Black hero as its lead character. Referencing the lack of racial diversity in anime, the scholar points out that portrayals of Black people in early animated titles were often demeaning, showing these individuals with exaggerated facial features.

“Although [‘Yasuke’] is a fantasy, the story is drawn from a documented history about a real-life dark-skinned samurai in 16th-century Japan, which not so many Japanese themselves knew,” Okuyama says. “In the past, Japan’s anime, as well as American animation works, grossly misrepresented [Black characters] for decades. It is overdue that they are put in central roles with positive traits, as movers and shakers of the story, not as sidekicks or villains.”

Doan, meanwhile, notes that Yasuke’s voice is conspicuously absent from adaptations of his life. No documents produced by the samurai himself are known to survive today. But, she says, “Even without a large number of surviving historical sources for us to understand the full extent of Yasuke’s activity or personal experiences, Yasuke’s story is an example of the kind of exciting and unexpected transnational encounters occurring within Black and Japanese history.”

Seems like you been dunking on yourself with your own nuts fool

 

[SuperAlly]

It's dog shit because they have people working on it who are bad writers, some of whom, yes, do engage in lame, liberal identity politics.

Then you have a show like Andor that is revered that is extremely left wing but no one cares cuz it's well written and awesome.

Well done. You’re starting to put 2 and 2 together and getting closer to what drinker and his buddies think and say. It’s so funny watching your awakening on this thread in real time

 

[deviake]

I'm not debating him, I'm debating you. I made it clear I'm not watching some dumb YouTuber. I only asked for the list of movies, and then reacted to that list. If you wish to dispute my repudiation of that list of movies, then it shouldn't be difficult to adapt his arguments to counter my own, but apparently you are incapable of that, and instead rush to hide beneath his skirt.

So there really isn't anything more to say. Concession accepted.

Hmm.

Firstly Mickleson, my son, if you want my attention you're going to have to bend the knee and kiss the ring of your father, Lord Big Dick Deviake.

Your first command is to define "woke". Nothing more, nothing else. If your response pleases me sufficiently, I may continue to humor you.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

But a lot of them are grifters though IMO.

Which ones?
Based on what?

Have you seen the shows they've panned?

Grifters:

a person who engages in petty or small-scale swindling.

person who pretends to hold certain (often political) views in order to gain money or other benefits.

So you're basically saying "they're lying about disliking the shows they actually do enjoy.'

 

[DoctorTaco]

It's politically progressive, you can pick your pronouns, it's sexually progreasive, there's shit loads of diversity... what is woke then if that's not it?

So choices are woke?

 

[Possum Jenkins]

So the go woke, go broke thing is a grift. But I was told that the woke thing itself is a grift.

 

[Hog-train]

Which ones?
Based on what?

Have you seen the shows they've panned?

There's a zillion of them. Some way worse than others. I have seen some of the shows. Can't think of the actual names off hand but there's this English bloke with bad teeth that looks like he hasn't showered in a week doing them.

The worst thing is, most just copy and paste the same exact content from the more professional ones.

The newest grift is the Caitlin Clark ragebait.

So you're basically saying "they're lying about disliking the shows they actually do enjoy.'

No I'm saying they're farming for clicks and money based on ragebait.

Disliking shows is secondary.

Two thing can be true at once you know. Some complaints can be valid. And are valid based on my experience.

At the same time, they ALSO exaggerate and ragebait for clicks. Sometimes making a mountain out of a molehill.

 

[deviake]

So choices are woke?

That what I'm tryin to figure out man lol

 

[Ruprecht]

The anglosphere is so overrun with what is largely an American culture war, I find most critical reviews of pop-culture pretty useless. Youtube in particular, because of the dynamics it creates in content, audiences and monetisation.
Not that I consume a lot of pop-culture these days anyway, mostly on account of it being overly commercialised, lowest common denominator, derivative crap.
Pointless remakes and endless series in the same universe/world/setting just rarely interest me.
Also probably aged out of the target audience.
Of course on the other end of the spectrum from the soulless corporate productions, the rise of self publishing, digital media and the demise of brick and mortar book stores has also flooded my favourite novel genre's with utter trash, so finding new authors I might enjoy is also much more of a chore.
I'm not convinced there's really a massive rise in politically preachy media though, it's always existed and at various levels of quality. From Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead, through to Margaret Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale or Ursula LeGuin's The Left Hand of Darkness.

 

[Other]

ooops

 

[ChosenOne]

As a geeky average guy who’s currently punching above his weight class, this happens more than you’d think.
...

Geeks have come in to their own, especially now that brains (tech) makes so much more money, generally, than braun. So ya, a lot of geeks punch above their weight with good looking gals. I would never deny that.

But this dynamic also does, sadly, all too often exist, in those relationships...

BUt if you watch old movies and tv shows every geeky guy, out of shape fat guy, wins the hot girls.

it simply was very rare to see any guy with an unattractive gal, unless she was the star of the show, like Roseanne.

 

[ChosenOne]

So he concedes that he's selectively picking movies based on his personal arbitrary interpretation of a term that he doesn't even necessarily believe in; rather than setting an objective framework such as pointing to movies which have generated a substantial social media pushback surrounding their release with the #woke hashtag attached to the trending topic, or a large number of videos uploaded by the "grifters" he criticizes complaining about a certain movie. Either could be quantified.

Gotcha. So basically his video is meaningless, and you lack the constitution to pretend it is. You won't even defend his points, or address my own.

Waiting for what? A 40-year domestic box office revenue low? Because that happened. Still hasn't recovered. Let's skip ahead to where you scapegoat COVID as an out for your ridiculous argument that could only have been made because you were too lazy, ignorant, and oblivious to box office proceeds to realize it walked itself off a cliff. Kind of a stupid argument to make since you're just gonna backpedal now, and whine about COVID, eh?

Then let's visit how even that isn't an out:

• For two decades straight from 1985 to 2004 the domestic box office grew every single year.
• In fact, from 1977 to 2013, the latter when the term woke first gained traction in online searches, it grew by an average of 21.2% every year.
• From 2013 to 2019, on the other hand, half of those six years it shrank rather than grew. Across those years, the average change was just +0.75% per year. That's unadjusted for inflation. If adjusted, Hollywood's revenues were diminishing.

And that last period is with the MCU carrying the industry. Generally speaking, this is not an IP associated with wokeism. That's why we tend to focus on the individual performances of movies characterized by "woke" programming. They don't do well. Generally, they're doing poorly, and they're alienating moviegoers.

And what role do you think the changing demographics played with younger generations change in what type of content they wanted to view, from Facebook, to Instagram, to Tik Tok, each with a shorter and shorter content window, delivered in sound bites and not long narratives?

Kids who largely cannot even sit and watch a tv show without also being on their phones the entire time, regardless of content?

 

[Madmick]

And what role do you think the changing demographics played with younger generations change in what type of content they wanted to view, from Facebook, to Instagram, to Tik Tok, each with a shorter and shorter content window, delivered in sound bites and not long narratives?

Kids who largely cannot even sit and watch a tv show without also being on their phones the entire time, regardless of content?

First, it was, "Get woke go broke is a grift! Hollywood is soaring!"
Now it's "Well, let's consider all the factors for why Hollywood is tanking."

Concession accepted.

 

[ChosenOne]

First, it was, "Get woke go broke is a grift! Hollywood is soaring!"
Now it's "Well, let's consider all the factors for why Hollywood is tanking."

Concession accepted.

Are you ok?

That is a serious question as you seem to not just see a fight, in every question, where none is intended, but you keep giving yourself imagined wins over your imaginary enemies.

It is kind of sad. Like a person who needs constant validation and then gives it to himself.


I think the changing demographics question is an interesting one. They have radically changed almost all forms of media.