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Exposing the Grift: Go Woke Go Broke

jefferz said:
Have they gone broke like the phrase says.
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Tbf, this thread was about Ubisoft. The video in the OP was about an idiot talking about "Go woke, Go broke". And Ubisoft is panic wrestling with cancelling an appearance in Tokyo Game Show when they have a game in their franchise that is finally set in Japan, and their stock prices plummeting. Allegedly, it's not about releasing subpar games and that this latest AC is not the hair that's going to break the camel's back.
 
Most of the people mad about the OP post nothing of substance and nothing that hasn't been covered. They also attack strawmen and don't read half the shit they quote. No one has defended Ubisoft. Zero people have said they're a good company putting out quality products.

"The guy in the video is an idiot!" Mmkay, but nothing about how, or somehow his examples aren't valid but the only counter examples you post are stuff that has dog shit writing/production (and there's been not many examples posted) that most - regardless of politics - don't like. But only certain things are woke, just the stuff that fails that's convenient for whatever you're pushing, not stuff like Barbie for some reason (not to mention whole companies), woke by the way being a word with a definition that people don't even agree on, which makes it nigh meaningless. Some diversity is forced, but other diversity isn't, sometimes, arbitrarily depending on who you're talking to. Lol, okay.

Edit: Oh, and then there's my Tom Cruise example which no one wants to touch. Wonder why.
 
i think the only way we can get to the bottom of this is if movies come out with official woke or unwoke scales/categories. Then we'll be able to better discuss how woke and unwoke media perform. People can't even agree on what is woke and what ain't yet
 
deviake said:
Most of the people mad about the OP post nothing of substance and nothing that hasn't been covered. They also attack strawmen and don't read half the shit they quote. No one has defended Ubisoft. Zero people have said they're a good company putting out quality products.

"The guy in the video is an idiot!" Mmkay, but nothing about how, or somehow his examples aren't valid but the only counter examples you post are stuff that has dog shit writing/production (and there's been not many examples posted) that most - regardless of politics - don't like. But only certain things are woke, just the stuff that fails that's convenient for whatever you're pushing, not stuff like Barbie for some reason (not to mention whole companies), woke by the way being a word with a definition that people don't even agree on, which makes it nigh meaningless. Some diversity is forced, but other diversity isn't, sometimes, arbitrarily depending on who you're talking to. Lol, okay.

Edit: Oh, and then there's my Tom Cruise example which no one wants to touch. Wonder why.
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Ah yes. The idiot also listed a bunch of movies and called them woke. The 1st vid didn't aged well with Ubisoft stocks crashing and delaying the release, something you ignored as well.
 
Flower2dPeople said:
Ah yes. The idiot also listed a bunch of movies and called them woke. The 1st vid didn't aged well with Ubisoft stocks crashing and delaying the release, something you ignored as well.
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Nah you're the idiot along with several other people and I've seen people call some of those movies woke, Barbie especially. Ubisoft has been shitting the bed for eons, everyone here who's familiar with their games has said that so it's not a huge surprise. The guy said at the time of making the video that there were a bunch of preorders for Shadows.

Don't remember why the delay actually is, don't care. If Ubisoft falls, cool. Wouldn't disprove his point that it's not, "go woke, go broke, sometimes".
 
deviake said:
Nah you're the idiot along with several other people and I've seen people call some of those movies woke, Barbie especially. Ubisoft has been shitting the bed for eons, everyone here who's familiar with their games has said that so it's not a huge surprise. The guy said at the time of making the video that there were a bunch of preorders for Shadows.

Don't remember why the delay actually is, don't care. If Ubisoft falls, cool. Wouldn't disprove his point that it's not, "go woke, go broke, sometimes".
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Then why use Ubisoft for a " Go woke, go broke" video? Thinking is hard for that guy. I could never give an opinion on Barbie as I haven't seen it but the rest of the movies he listed are definitely not woke.

Idiot.
 
deviake said:
Most of the people mad about the OP post nothing of substance and nothing that hasn't been covered. They also attack strawmen and don't read half the shit they quote. No one has defended Ubisoft. Zero people have said they're a good company putting out quality products.

"The guy in the video is an idiot!" Mmkay, but nothing about how, or somehow his examples aren't valid but the only counter examples you post are stuff that has dog shit writing/production (and there's been not many examples posted) that most - regardless of politics - don't like. But only certain things are woke, just the stuff that fails that's convenient for whatever you're pushing, not stuff like Barbie for some reason (not to mention whole companies), woke by the way being a word with a definition that people don't even agree on, which makes it nigh meaningless. Some diversity is forced, but other diversity isn't, sometimes, arbitrarily depending on who you're talking to. Lol, okay.

Edit: Oh, and then there's my Tom Cruise example which no one wants to touch. Wonder why.
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What was you point about it? The Tom Cruise example? It is not really forced diversity if the Emperor hired whites to change his army to beat the Shogun.

deviake said:
Nah you're the idiot along with several other people and I've seen people call some of those movies woke, Barbie especially. Ubisoft has been shitting the bed for eons, everyone here who's familiar with their games has said that so it's not a huge surprise. The guy said at the time of making the video that there were a bunch of preorders for Shadows.

Don't remember why the delay actually is, don't care. If Ubisoft falls, cool. Wouldn't disprove his point that it's not, "go woke, go broke, sometimes".
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I made it clear in most cases it is go quote on quote woke and stagnate / decline.
 
Flower2dPeople said:
Then why use Ubisoft for a " Go woke, go broke" video? Thinking is hard for that guy. I could never give an opinion on Barbie as I haven't seen it but the rest of the movies he listed are definitely not woke.

Idiot.
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The guys already back tracking his defeated argument

"SOME of those movies...."
 
Nizam al-Mulk said:
What was you point about it? The Tom Cruise example? It is not really forced diversity if the Emperor hired whites to change his army to beat the Shogun.



I made it clear in most cases it is go quote on quote woke and stagnate / decline.
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It's not the big win the mongo thinks it is

"Not all these studios and shows go broke immediately. Some just see a steady decline in viewers and therefore income over a longer period, before cancelling the latest shows and movies"

Oh, well that's a "win". Well done you.
 
deviake said:
Edit: Oh, and then there's my Tom Cruise example which no one wants to touch. Wonder why.
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Hollywood "white savior" movies starring Tom Cruise definitely aren't the "diversity" that bothers the sort of people to be upset about that sort of thing, and I don't think they are really anyone's idea of "woke".
 
How did we forget this other steaming jobby of a woke product



Another example of woke / DEI focused releases doing well <DCWhoa>
 
I quite like The3Birdman, it's a shame he's decided to go down the breadtube/left-wing grifter route.

The whole "Get woke, go broke" adage isn't "They included women/gay/people of colour, therefore it's bad", it's about media companies that eschew quality in favour of "diversity", and overt left-wing political messaging.

Inherently "woke" pieces of media often succeed because there is quality in the work, but now there is abject laziness where they take an existing IP, shoehorn in acceptable soundbites, change things around and call it a day.

Some of the examples he's used are absolute dogshit, and shows that he's painting it with the brush of "You just don't want X people in it!" which glosses over the issues the entertainment industry is facing right now because there's more interest in making things about what people are, not who people are, and it sucks more often than not.

Take a film like "Promising Young Woman", that ticks every single "woke" box you could think off, but that's still an EXCELLENT film, because they included the themes, and messaging, but actually focussed on making a good movie.
 
Smigg said:
I quite like The3Birdman, it's a shame he's decided to go down the breadtube/left-wing grifter route.

The whole "Get woke, go broke" adage isn't "They included women/gay/people of colour, therefore it's bad", it's about media companies that eschew quality in favour of "diversity", and overt left-wing political messaging.

Inherently "woke" pieces of media often succeed because there is quality in the work, but now there is abject laziness where they take an existing IP, shoehorn in acceptable soundbites, change things around and call it a day.

Some of the examples he's used are absolute dogshit, and shows that he's painting it with the brush of "You just don't want X people in it!" which glosses over the issues the entertainment industry is facing right now because there's more interest in making things about what people are, not who people are, and it sucks more often than not.

Take a film like "Promising Young Woman", that ticks every single "woke" box you could think off, but that's still an EXCELLENT film, because they included the themes, and messaging, but actually focussed on making a good movie.
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Smigg said:
I quite like The3Birdman, it's a shame he's decided to go down the breadtube/left-wing grifter route.

The whole "Get woke, go broke" adage isn't "They included women/gay/people of colour, therefore it's bad", it's about media companies that eschew quality in favour of "diversity", and overt left-wing political messaging.

Inherently "woke" pieces of media often succeed because there is quality in the work, but now there is abject laziness where they take an existing IP, shoehorn in acceptable soundbites, change things around and call it a day.

Some of the examples he's used are absolute dogshit, and shows that he's painting it with the brush of "You just don't want X people in it!" which glosses over the issues the entertainment industry is facing right now because there's more interest in making things about what people are, not who people are, and it sucks more often than not.

Take a film like "Promising Young Woman", that ticks every single "woke" box you could think off, but that's still an EXCELLENT film, because they included the themes, and messaging, but actually focussed on making a good movie.
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Promising Young Woman isn’t excellent & completely trips over its own messaging. Emerald Fennel failed similarly w/ Saltburn. she kinda sucks tbh
 
HenryFlower said:
Promising Young Woman isn’t excellent & completely trips over its own messaging. Emerald Fennel failed similarly w/ Saltburn. she kinda sucks tbh
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Well, I enjoyed it.

Not seen Saltburn, but I did hear that it sucked.
 
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