Exposing the Grift: Go Woke Go Broke

So you're saying GOT is woke then. Got it.

Dude you have no idea WTF you're talking about because you haven't watched the series.

You literally can't point to any examples of how them being lesbians is your issue in all of this lmao.

Your same complaint would exist if it was a hetero relationship instead of two women.

I know exactly what I'm talking about and have pointed out how you selectively apply the term woke to things you don't like instead of things that are actually woke.

You argument boils down to "they changed 2 MAIN characters to lesbians. It's woke!" ...and you are doing that without explaining how it is actually woke. Are the characters fighting injustices for gay rights? Are they discriminated against because they are gay?

You keep saying that the storyline doesn't make sense because they were mortal enemies in the book. That's perfectly good and fine, but it does not have anything to do with being woke. For it to be woke, the characters have to be motivated by woke ideas or needs to show how they are experiencing injustices or fighting against them.

The show may be the wokest woke that ever woked, but your posts are not articulating that in the slightest. You just keep saying it's woke because they are gay. That's not what woke means.
 
You literally can't point to any examples of how them being lesbians is your issue in all of this lmao.

I literally did. Multiple examples. And there are a lot of other examples as well which I didn't name.

Your same complaint would exist if it was a hetero relationship instead of two women.

Yea that's true but the writer literally said she wanted to put in a lesbian love story in it.

I don't care that there's a gay relationship. I care if they CHANGE THE STORY DRAMATICALLY just to put in a gay relationship.

I know exactly what I'm talking about and have pointed out how you selectively apply the term woke to things you don't like instead of things that are actually woke.

No you don't because you haven't watched the series. You have no frame of reference.

You argument boils down to "they changed 2 MAIN characters to lesbians. It's woke!" ...and you are doing that without explaining how it is actually woke. Are the characters fighting injustices for gay rights? Are they discriminated against because they are gay?

You keep saying that the storyline doesn't make sense because they were mortal enemies in the book. That's perfectly good and fine, but it does not have anything to do with being woke. For it to be woke, the characters have to be motivated by woke ideas or needs to show how they are experiencing injustices or fighting against them.

Yes it does because she put it in there just to have an LGBTQ theme and not because of the story. And that's only one of the complaints by people.

There were a lot of other things as well.
 
I literally did. Multiple examples. And there are a lot of other examples as well which I didn't name.



Yea that's true but the writer literally said she wanted to put in a lesbian love story in it.

I don't care that there's a gay relationship. I care if they CHANGE THE STORY DRAMATICALLY just to put in a gay relationship.



No you don't because you haven't watched the series. You have no frame of reference.



Yes it does because she put it in there just to have an LGBTQ theme and not because of the story. And that's only one of the complaints by people.

There were a lot of other things as well.

You did not lol. The only thing you've said is that it's woke because they changed two enemies to be gay lovers. That's not what woke means lol. You posted the definition of woke. You have not given a single example at how the relationship between the two characters deals with discrimination, is motivated by any sort of woke ideas, etc.

What is the "theme" and how is it woke? How does the theme deal with injustices towards gay people in westeros? People complain about all kinds of shit they don't understand. That doesn't make it woke my dude.
 
You did not lol. The only thing you've said is that it's woke because they changed two enemies to be gay lovers. That's not what woke means lol. You posted the definition of woke. You have not given a single example at how the relationship between the two characters deals with discrimination, is motivated by any sort of woke ideas, etc.

What is the "theme" and how is it woke? How does the theme deal with injustices towards gay people in westeros? People complain about all kinds of shit they don't understand. That doesn't make it woke my dude.

You're trolling me. I already wrote several reasons already.

Bro you haven't even seen the series. So WTF is the point of me expounding on why the series has jumped the shark, when you won't know WTH I'm talking about? But ok here we go.

All of Sara Hess's controversies and bad writing decisions, explained


Sara Hess is currently one of the most controversial writers working on House of the Dragon right now. Some people have been wondering why this is the case, so I have summarized all the reasons why a significant number of fans dislike her writing.

Hess admitted she doesn't care about following the source material

During an interview with IGN, Sara Hess revealed that she had never watched the original Game of Thrones series. She also insisted that her lack of familiarity with the GoT universe was actually a good thing, and that she didn't "feel loyalty to the story" anyways:



Hess's fixation on shipping Rhaenyra and Alicent


In the book, Alicent and Rhaenyra were never romantically involved with one another. They were characterized as mortal enemies waging a brutal war of succession. However, the TV adaptation has completely altered their relationship, portraying the two women as being madly in love. While this could've been an interesting dynamic, it fell flat in Season 2 - the final episode had Alicent literally agreeing to betray her entire family and have her own son murdered so she could pursue her crush on Rhaenyra. That episode was written by Sara Hess.

Sara Hess has been pushing the Rhaenicent romance narrative since Season 1. On her Twitter account, she's shared and praised articles about how Queen Alicent and Queen Rhaenyra "would rather co-rule Westeros".
Hess has also leapt at the opportunity to characterize the Alicent/Rhaenyra relationship as one of queer lovers:



Hess also happens to be queer in real life so that may explain her fixation on this unrequited love story fanfic and also including a random kissing scene with Mysaria.

Hess has an overwhelming fixation on the Rhaenyra/Alicent relationship, to the point where it negatively impacts the development and screen time that other characters receive. The Dance of the Dragons was written as a war between Rhaenyra and Aegon II, with Alicent's character diminishing in importance after Viserys dies. At this point in the story, the key players in the war should be the younger generation, such as Aemond, Aegon, and Jacaerys. Despite this, Hess insists that the story should continue to revolve around the Rhaenyra/Alicent relationship instead of the literal civil war going on. She says this during the S2E8 BTS at 10:55:


The dragonpit scene with Rhaenys in S1E9 was Hess's idea


Season 1 of HoTD was mostly well-written, with a few exceptions. One notable weak spot came at the conclusion of Episode 9, when Rhaenys interrupted Aegon's coronation by bursting through the floor on her dragon. This scene a TV-only invention as it never happened in book canon, and many viewers felt that it was only added in for the sake of spectacle. However, Sara Hess proudly took credit for it, saying it was her idea to add in an "awesome" dragon scene:


Fans disliked it because much of it was illogical - Rhaenys literally had the opportunity to kill all of the Greens and end the war right then, especially considering that Alicent had just imprisoned her. Fans also disliked how the show framed the scene as glorious and empowering, but Rhaenys had brutally massacred hundreds of innocent peasants during her grand entrance. Worst of all, Sara Hess laughed off the deaths of the smallfolk as completely insignificant during an interview:



Using characters as stand-ins for modern politicians


Speaking of Rhaenys, Sara Hess literally stated that she wrote the character as a representation of Hillary Clinton (lmao). In an interview with the LA Times, actress Eve Best revealed that Hess approached her and told her about this during her first day on set:


Weird comments about women who die in childbirth


Episode 6 of Season 1 (written by Sara Hess) includes yet another instance where the show refuses to follow what GRRM wrote in the book. In book canon, Laena Velaryon dies in childbirth, but Sara Hess and the showrunners insisted on changing that because it wasn't "badass" enough. They add in their own contrived scene where a heavily pregnant Laena walks off the birthing bed and commits suicide by dragon. In the post-episode interview at 3:55, Sara Hess literally explains that they didn't want Laena to die in childbirth because she was "a warrior" who couldn't "go out that way", implying that women who die in childbirth aren't strong, interesting, or badass:


Weird comments about women who gain weight after pregnancy


In the book, Rhaenyra is described as a plus-size woman. Other characters with larger body types include Viserys, Helaena, and Aegon II. However, Sara Hess specifically takes issue with the book description of Rhaenyra as having gained weight after pregnancy, implying that it was a lie made up by misogynistic historians:



Why is it so unbelievable to Sara Hess that Rhaenyra might gain weight after birthing five children and going through six pregnancies?

The PhilosophyTube Transgender cameo and Sharako Lohar


The final episode of Season 2 (again, which was written by Sara Hess) was subject to immense amounts of criticism. One of the most disliked parts of the episode was the introduction of Admiral Sharako Lohar - in a season finale that already featured no important battles or plot developments, a third of the episode runtime was spent on this new character that nobody was emotionally invested in. Even worse, the character's actress was a literal YouTuber with unconvincing acting skills that just got cast because she was transgender.

Well, Sara Hess had no idea that the audience would overwhelmingly dislike all of the Admiral Lohar stuff, and she seriously thought we we would love it. In an Episode 8 behind-the-scenes interview at 1:34, she talks about how she literally thinks it would be a "highlight" of the season and a "welcome bit of fun". This is how out-of-touch her writing is with regard to what fans actually want to see:
 
I literally did. Multiple examples. And there are a lot of other examples as well which I didn't name.



Yea that's true but the writer literally said she wanted to put in a lesbian love story in it.

I don't care that there's a gay relationship. I care if they CHANGE THE STORY DRAMATICALLY just to put in a gay relationship.



No you don't because you haven't watched the series. You have no frame of reference.



Yes it does because she put it in there just to have an LGBTQ theme and not because of the story. And that's only one of the complaints by people.

There were a lot of other things as well.

Your sentiment is confusing because it implies a piece of fantasy fiction’s traits change when a real life person who worked on it talks about their feelings towards it.

Which means if this writer had been a straight guy and said they were “anti-woke” in these interviews then the exact same piece of fiction would have never been woke?

That logic is messy.
 
This video is shit.

The go woke go broke crowd like @nhbbear and @GearSolidMetal are obviously drooling morons but this video isn't doing what you think it is.

Stop for the love of god using youtube videos to make your arguments for you, that's how you end up like @Fox by the Sea

Once again, I didn’t even post in this thread.
This video is shit.

The go woke go broke crowd like @nhbbear and @GearSolidMetal are obviously drooling morons but this video isn't doing what you think it is.

Stop for the love of god using youtube videos to make your arguments for you, that's how you end up like @Fox by the Sea

Once again, I didn’t even post in this thread ya twat. At this point, your obsession with me is beyond cute but has become disturbing. Get off my nuts
 
Okay...now how does that apply to the lesbians in the show?

Are they actually fighting for gay rights in the plot of the show?

Also, literally all of those themes were in the original game of thrones...which you do not consider woke lmao
You're coming off a bit autistic about this or like a 7 year old child

The guy is repeatedly making his views clear (whether you agree with them or not) and to everything he says you just go "but why" like a child
 
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You're trolling me. I already wrote several reasons already.


You are the one that has to be trolling.

You said they focus too much on the gay. That's not what woke means.

A writers own personal feelings towards what is in the show is not what woke means.

Making a character not gain weight after pregnancy is not really a woke idea lol.

A writer comparing characters to political figures isn't a woke idea.

You really need to point to the characters actions and motivations within the show in order to say the show itself woke.

And again, the show itself could be woke as woke can get...but you aren't expressing how it is woke lol.

What injustices is the gay relationship enduring? How are the two women trying to combat these injustices? I'm starting to believe that you just don't have an answer. I've pointed out actual woke plots in GOT, which you said is not woke.

You seem to not understand that your complaint would be exactly the same whether the relationship was a man/woman or two lesbos. Your complaint is that their relationship makes no sense because they are mortal enemies. That same complaint would exist whether one of these women is getting pounded by a 16 incher or a strap-on lmao. That's what you seem to not be getting here.
 
You're trolling me. I already wrote several reasons already.

Far left peoples ideology is that woke is good and never wrong.

They can't accept woke crap is being rejected by the average public, as evidenced by cratering viewer numbers and such crap woke shows and series being cancelled as they view it as an attack on their person and their world view.

So although you have repeatedly and ably articulated your views on this point, he will just keep demanding more as he can't accept that his world view is not wanted to be foisted on the vast majority of the public in their entertainment.

I don't agree with you in other threads. I don't even know I agree with all your views in here. But he's just being a belligerent man baby and every time you explain your views he will just deny you have and ask you to do it again. Worthless engaging with such a child as he cannot accept his world view is not popular and not wanted in peoples escapism entertainment
 
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Once again, I didn’t even post in this thread.


Once again, I didn’t even post in this thread ya twat. At this point, your obsession with me is beyond cute but has become disturbing. Get off my nuts
What is weirder

Mark Yancy's obsession with you or deviantes obsession with "William"
 
You're coming off a bit autistic about this or like a 7 year old child

The guy is repeatedly making his views clear (whether you agree with them or not) and to everything he says you just go "but why" like a child

The only view that this guy has made clear is that he has no idea what woke actually means despite posting the definition himself lol.

He keeps confusing the views of a writer of the show with the actual show itself. He's also equating gay as woke. That isn't what woke means at all.

He's also made it clear that when he likes something that doesn't deviate from the source material, then it can't be woke. He stated that the OG game of thrones isn't woke. It most definitely is and I even gave him specific examples to woke plotlines throughout the show. Seems pretty fucking weird to love OG GOT despite all the woke storylines, then turn around and claim that HOD is woke because the writers made two characters lesbians and switched up their storyline..that's not what woke means.

You will claim I'm coming off as autistic when the other poster is just getting mad because of a couple of lesbians lmao.
 
Far left peoples ideology is that woke is good and never wrong.

They can't accept woke crap is being rejected by the average public, as evidenced by catering viewer numbers and such crap woke shows and series being cancelled as they view it as an attack on their person and their world view.

So although you have repeatedly and ably articulated your views on this point, he will just keep demanding more as he can't accept that his world view is not wanted to be foisted on the vast majority of the public in their entertainment.

I don't agree with you in other threads. I don't even know I agree with all your views in here. But he's just being a belligerent man baby and every time you explain your views he will just deny you have and ask you to do it again. Worthless engaging with such a child as he cannot accept his world view is not popular and not wanted in peoples escapism entertainment

What is my world view oh mighty one?

I don't give a shit if they are lesbians or slamming on cock every chance they get.

He's literally articulated his view, like you said. His view is that the writing is shit and he keeps calling it woke despite not even having the slightest grasp on why or how it's woke lol.
 
Definition of woke changes depending on who is using it. There is a spectrum to wokeism. Even leftist who are left of liberals use this term to make fun of them. For them being woke might be someone or a corporate entity that is engaging in performative actions. They might be allies to the revolutionary cause but they don't really do anything outside of saying they are with the cause. It's like those corporations who have these transgender brand ambassadors or female CEOs. The workers are still making minimum wage etc etc.

Same goes for people to the right of liberals. Woke is a spectrum for those folks too. Some people on the right might feel that being woke is performative nonsense while others just see a woman and they will scream woke.
 
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you laugh now but just wait until some comic book character that you, an adult human, really really care about and that character is a white man but then in a movie version the character is a black woman and it is the worst thing that has ever happened to you, an adult human, and then you are the one sitting in pants filled with shit and it won't be so funny anymore.
 
Bro you're posting in this thread mutliple times like a full time job.

Clearly you do give a shit.
Reasonably accurate, I was WFH that day so yes, I was being paid to post on Sherdog.

Free entertainment /shrugs
 
By the way, if anyone has been following... everyone's favorite woke gaming company Ubisoft had yet another major drop in their share price yesterday down into the single digits from over $100 a share only 6 or 7 years ago LOL
 
By the way, if anyone has been following... everyone's favorite woke gaming company Ubisoft had yet another major drop in their share price yesterday down into the single digits from over $100 a share only 6 or 7 years ago LOL
Making woke crap continuing to be a successful strategy
 
Wow. Just look at all the woke companies that went broke.
The NFL, NBA, Nike, Target, Mars, Pepsi, Amazon, Coke, Anheiser Busch, Bass Pro, Starbucks, Petsmart, American Airlines, Carhartt, and Under Armor were all great companies. Then they went woke, and went broke.
 
Wow. Just look at all the woke companies that went broke.
The NFL, NBA, Nike, Target, Mars, Pepsi, Amazon, Coke, Anheiser Busch, Bass Pro, Starbucks, Petsmart, American Airlines, Carhartt, and Under Armor were all great companies. Then they went woke, and went broke.

Sooo... Companies aren't starting to dump DEI programs?

And ESG scores haven't been scrapped

Got it
 
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