Evidence of Jones' Guilt


Jon definately did that shit,

but isn't >80% of the top 20 in every division in every sport at any given time dirty and wasn't there some shit where Cormier's hormone levels were also suspect even though they weren't classified as a positive test?

Point being, yeah he's dirty. The whole game is also dirty.
 
I’ve seen you go from person to person desperately seeking an argument and desperately seeking someone to validate your bemoaning. Very few are engaging you because you’re a dullard. You like to talk as if you’re something vastly more intelligent and engaging than your boring ass is and I think you should probably find a girlfriend

You need to grow up. And read a book. Any book.
 
You need to grow up. And read a book. Any book.
You have gone from person to person with these intelligence attacks and quite frankly I haven’t read a statement that was incoherent on the thread. It may just be your stupidity. Perhaps that is your insecurity screaming. You just are not as intelligent or educated as you try to front. Basically buddy we can go degree for degree and I’m 100% certain you would keep it mma. You’re an insecure clown
 
All the evidence points to him juicing, there's literally no other alternative to explain it. Obviously he's not the only one on steroids, but the reason it's such a big deal is this is FIGHTING. If anyone pops they should get suspended go to jail, people already get CTE and fucked up enough, fighters shouldn't be hitting harder and causing more damage.
 
You have gone from person to person with these intelligence attacks and quite frankly I haven’t read a statement that was incoherent on the thread. It may just be your stupidity. Perhaps that is your insecurity screaming. You just are not as intelligent or educated as you try to front. Basically buddy we can go degree for degree and I’m 100% certain you would keep it mma. You’re an insecure clown

By all means, try to go that route. And see where it takes you.
 
No you are a dullard friend. You tried to attack me over something not said to you and you have gone from person to person trying to talk down and it’s boring as hell. This is why they don’t engage you. You’re boring

I haven't tried to talk down to anyone. I had a pretty civil exchange with Luffy.

I am not here to entertain anyone, so I'm indifferent to what you or others find entertaining.
 
But it's curious because I would think it'd be harder to get takedowns on Gane and Miocic mainly because they are way bigger than Reyes. Reyes wasn't a wrestler. Sure, he practiced take down defenses, but the fact Jiri even got the best of him on wrestling shows he isn't that good. Jon Jones struggled to take Reyes down and when he did, he couldn't keep him on the ground... He took Gane down and Gane couldn't get up, and he dropped Miocic like nothing, I mean, it was an excellent judo thrown, but those are wrestling effectiveness that I'd say should be harder to accomplish vs those heavy weight guys... I think it shows Jon Jones is more explosive and technical in his wrestling as well. Some may say he's taking PEDs again due to USADA being gone, but who knows. But he didn't seem slow vs Stipe to me, he ate a few punches, but one of them was in a clinch situation, and the other landed clean, but the right hand that Stipe got in in the third round was a quick set up... Jon Jones kicks seemed fast and he seemed in both fights less hesitant and just almost finishing both in the first round like vintage JJ, as Aspinall said, for the first round...

I think Jones definitely came out against Gane with a more forward wrestling strategy, he didn't want to stay on his feet for any amount of time, which is why he went for the takedown very early on. With Reyes, though he was smaller and also a superior striker, he was faster and quite nimble. Reyes is long and light on his feet.

I think it's something like the Overeem case, where after he dropped steroids he had to progressively rethink his gameplan and play it a bit more safe, using his wrestling more assertively. I don't think he's on the juice now, but I also think he's very visibly past his prime. The HW division is just an atrocity.
 
I haven't tried to talk down to anyone. I had a pretty civil exchange with Luffy.

I am not here to entertain anyone, so I'm indifferent to what you or others find entertaining.
You simply aren’t as intelligent as you try to proclaim. You definitely are not remotely of the caliber of individual that can attack mine. This thread isn’t about your trying to flex your intelligence so I don’t even know why you led with that. You sound insecure
 
By all means, try to go that route. And see where it takes you.
It’ll probably lead to you looking stupid for trying to act like Mr. I’m more intelligent on a karate forum to a person that has done what I have accomplished in life. It would likely lead to you humbling yourself. Then again the thread isn’t about me.
 
Apr 2012: The drug test results for UFC 145 (headlined by Jones) aren't released to the public; Andy Foster (current CSAC director), who publicly supported Jones' innocence throughout 2017-2018, served as the athletic commission's director in Georgia at the time.


Jan 2015: Greg Howard (who spent a lot of time with Jones to write a comprehensive article on him), reported that Jones was rumored to have hid under the octagon when the drug testers showed up at JacksonWink, prior to the first Cormier fight.

Jones confirmed that he did in fact hide under the octagon to avoid drug testers:


Screenshot of Tweet:
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Keep in mind, marijuana isn't prohibited out of competition, so there would be no reason for Jones hiding from drug testers. And if he did smoke a blunt close enough to fight night, why didn't Jones' test positive for marijuana? Jones' excuse falls apart easily.

Jones has a suspicious T/E ratio that deviates 80% from his previous reading; the UFC-USADA drug program was not in effect at this time.


Mar 2016: Frank Mir, teammate of Jon Jones, fails drug test for Oral Turinabol.

Jun 2016: Jones tests positive for Clomiphene and Letrozole.
  • Jones allegedly claims to have ingested a penis pill.
  • The pill, however, contained a third banned substance, of which Jones did not test positive for.
  • Jones claimed his friend gave him the pill.
  • This friend provided an invoice for the purchase of the pill, and on the same invoice was an order for Clomiphene (one of the two substances Jones was flagged for).
  • Common sense dictates that Jones used a middle-man to purchase his PEDs, and bought the penis pill preemptively as an excuse in case he got caught, but never actually ingested the pill, otherwise the third banned substance would've shown up.
Apr 2017: Frank Mir receives a two year suspension as a first time offender for Oral Turinabol.

Aug 2017: During his FOX interview, Jones slips up and says that he defeated Cormier "off steroids". His silence afterwards says more than any words could.



Jul 2017: Jones tests positive for Oral Turinabol, the same substance teammate Frank Mir tested positive for back in March of 2016.

Feb 2018: During Jones' CSAC hearing, it's discovered that:
  • He failed to report 10 supplements to United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) prior to his performance at UFC 214, despite signing a document that said he did, and that he only disclosed their existence when they were sent to the lab to be tested for banned substances (after his failed drug test).
  • Jones admitted he never watched mandated tutorials provided by USADA in both 2015 and 2016, instead passing them off to his management to take in his place (including having them forge his signature to confirm that he took said tutorials).
Precedent:


Cerrone recently said that JacksonWink's main wrestling coach used to be a junior assistant coach at some no-name college and was fired for selling kids steroids:
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Oct 2017-Jul 2018:

Jones is not tested at any point by USADA.

Sep 2018:

Jones received 4 years, but was able to get his suspension reduced to 15 months as a result of snitching.

Dec 2018:

Jones tests positive for turinabol metabolite:
12/9/18: 60 pg/ml

NSAC denies Jones a license.

It has been reported that Jones failed an additional three drug tests:
7/28/18: 80 pg/ml
8/29/18: 8 pg/ml
9/18/18: 19 pg/ml


In addition to the above study, the longest detection window given by other experts was no greater than 6 months regarding the M3 metabolite; Jones had it in his system for over 18 months, which would've required a new ingestion of Turinabol and thereby debunked the "pulsing" excuse.

Jan 2019:

Jones tests positive for turinabol metabolite (through VADA):
12/28/18: 33 pg/ml

Feb 2019

Jones tests positive for turinabol metabolite:
2/14/19: 40 pg/ml
2/15/19: 20 pg/ml

Oct 2017

Study suggests the M3 metabolite doesn't remain in one's system past 250-300 days, meanwhile Jones was testing positive 543 days after his allegedly single time ingestion, thereby proving that he was ingesting turinabol after his first failed test for it back in 2017:
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With regards to the lack of short-term metabolites in Jones' system:


And the pulsing theory was based on a clomiphene study, and despite Jones having taken clomiphene in the past he never pulsed for that substance.

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Jones allegedly threatens to kill a drug tester, post-USADA:


There was a apothecary/pharmacist referal note or receipt something like that from Jon, IIRC, for some kind of drug. Either the drug he got popped for or something that supposedly contained what he popped for.
It was super fishy. Might have been some female hormonal drug or something. Anyway, it floated around on here, a long time ago, but I can’ t find it anymore.
 
There was a apothecary/pharmacist referal note or receipt something like that from Jon, IIRC, for some kind of drug. Either the drug he got popped for or something that supposedly contained what he popped for.
It was super fishy. Might have been some female hormonal drug or something. Anyway, it floated around on here, a long time ago, but I can’ t find it anymore.
You talking about this bit? Where he supposedly ordered a "tainted drug" that doesn't fully fit what he tested positive for, and on that same order, there was another order directly for Clomiphene, which is one of the things he did test positive for?

Jun 2016: Jones tests positive for Clomiphene and Letrozole.
  • Jones allegedly claims to have ingested a penis pill.
  • The pill, however, contained a third banned substance, of which Jones did not test positive for.
  • Jones claimed his friend gave him the pill.
  • This friend provided an invoice for the purchase of the pill, and on the same invoice was an order for Clomiphene (one of the two substances Jones was flagged for).
  • Common sense dictates that Jones used a middle-man to purchase his PEDs, and bought the penis pill preemptively as an excuse in case he got caught, but never actually ingested the pill, otherwise the third banned substance would've shown up.
 
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It’ll probably lead to you looking stupid for trying to act like Mr. I’m more intelligent on a karate forum to a person that has done what I have accomplished in life. It would likely lead to you humbling yourself. Then again the thread isn’t about me.

No, please, try, seriously. I cannot wait. This will be pretty hilarious.
 
No, please, try, seriously. I cannot wait. This will be pretty hilarious.
I’m sure you probably do live for the moment to dick measure your fake credentials in life in places you think someone wont see you for what you are. You’ll only get a question out of me you fraud. Have you ever seen truly intelligent higher minded people going around making intelligence and mental health attacks over sports opinions? Yeah me neither. So as you project that pathetic weak frail spirit inside you don’t do it towards me boy. Do it towards who raised you that way
 
I’m sure you probably do live for the moment to dick measure your fake credentials in life in places you think someone wont see you for what you are. You’ll only get a question out of me you fraud. Have you ever seen truly intelligent higher minded people going around making intelligence and mental health attacks over sports opinions? Yeah me neither. So as you project that pathetic weak frail spirit inside you don’t do it towards me boy. Do it towards who raised you that way

I thought you were the one who suggested that we could go "degree for degree." Guess not.

Enjoy your "degrees," little man.
 
I thought you were the one who suggested that we could go "degree for degree." Guess not.

Enjoy your "degrees," little man.
I didn’t say such a thing I said this thread isn’t about me however the same people you made personal attacks on like a little bitch if you went degree for degree you would shut your ass up. How about do it now. I’m not even here for you or that game
 
Ok, sweetie. Sleep well with your "real degrees."
You who made intelligence attacks and mental health attacks like a common coward if you understood that the people you are pointing your pathetic judgmental finger at are highly educated professionals, students, and people discussing mma without that trash. You who behaves in a manner akin to cowardice decided to take it personal. You definitely are what I described because now you seek to dig into my personal. It’s pathetic. It’s insecure. I wish you would have kept it mma instead of exposing yourself. You got the right one my son. After today I bet you won’t do that hoe shit again
 
You who made intelligence attacks and mental health attacks like a common coward if you understood that the people you are pointing your pathetic judgmental finger at are highly educated professionals, students, and people discussing mma without that trash. You who behaves in a manner akin to cowardice decided to take it personal. You definitely are what I described because now you seek to dig into my personal. It’s pathetic. It’s insecure. I wish you would have kept it mma instead of exposing yourself. You got the right one my son. After today I bet you won’t do that hoe shit again

Hey man, I'm not the one with a double yellow card on an MMA forum. <lmao>
 
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